Immigration a big issue.

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Violent transnational gangs 'recruiting unaccompanied minors at Border Security facilities':

Violent transnational drug cartels 'recruiting unaccompanied minors at Border Security facilities | Mail Online

They are ready to "put in work" on American citizens for their gangs and cartels. We, their future victims, are forcibly taxed by the government for them to be here so that they can "put in work" on us (e.g. commit crimes against our persons and property for their own financial gain). It's completely self-defeating.

 
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Immigration isn't about helping the poor' it's about helping the rich. For every individual immigrant that comes to America and is lifted out of poverty another American family is driven into poverty.

[video=youtube_share;LPjzfGChGlE]http://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE[/video]
 
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Once again blame the system that is in place, not the ones who come here asking and needing help from persecution.
And don't fall into the media buzz that all news casts rather it be CNN, Fox, or others that are all controlled on what they can report on. And pretty much every news cast is bias one way or the other, which causes people who put their trust in them to believe what they say.

You have to pretty much watch all news programs to get the full story, but you will still only have part of the truth mixed with lies.

I don't care who gets rich off any issues, what I care about is the well being of all people. That is what true love is about, caring about others even those you claim to be enemies. I don't wish to see ill will on anybody, but some put themselves in positions where bad things happen to them and people around them.

Should we protect people from persecution? YES

Did our Lord say to love your enemies, and if thirsty give them a drink, and hungry give them something to eat? YES

Did our Lord say not to worry about what you will eat/drink or wear? YES

The system in our country is the big issue people struggle and suffer in trying to survive, and yes our government has us way over budget and in debt. But is that really a reason not to help others. NO

It is plain and simple that our government that has for the most part since Regan to Obama ( the presidents I have been under since born ) has done nothing but raise cost of living, taxes, and has slowly tried to weed out Constitutional rights and programs that help middle to low class families.

Our government is the issue, not the people that come here. The Statue of Liberty was built for the purpose as a national symbol to all who face persecution and unruly governments to come here to escape that and live free.

Now most of America wants to say I don't care about what you face in your country, go back and be beaten up or killed.

Just like our presidency the offices in congress should also be limited to short terms. There are some in there that have been there way to long and need to go, and others who just need to go do to their ignorance.

I remember seeing a press conference where Boehner stood there at the podium and said that he did not care what agendas/bills Obama brings before congress rather good or bad he would turn down and vote against. And yet this is the guy we let lead our congress.



God bless to all, and may the Lord through the Holy Spirit guide us all away from things that cloud our walk with the Lord.
 
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A weekly report distributed by a Texas state agency to senior law enforcement officials paints a grim picture of the Mexican border, where authorities regularly confront illegal immigrant gang members and draw automatic gunfire from across the Rio Grande, and where local, state and federal authorities fight a never-ending battle against drug smugglers.

The most recent Border Operations Sector Assessment report compiled by the Texas Department of Public Safety’s Border Security Operations Center, dated July 25 2014, details local and federal authorities encountering smugglers carrying millions of dollars’ worth of marijuana, cocaine and methamphetamine, some of which was found in vehicles filled with biblical passages and religious items; federal agents being assaulted and shot at; gang members brazenly approaching people in their homes; and ranch workers witnessing men crossing into the U.S. wearing camouflage and carrying long guns and automatic weapons.

The Border Security Operations Center report also includes encounters with gang members and cartel gunmen during the same week.

Read the report: http://public.media.foxnews.com/20140730151121_2.pdf
 
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Drug smugglers use a simple car jack to lift the border fence in southern Arizona and smuggle hundreds of pounds of illegal drugs into the United States undetected laughing the entire time.

Democrats want to give them amnesty and put them on the welfare system so they can set up shop for their respective cartels in our towns and cities immune from deportation and with every right of a U.S. citizen.

Kenneth says it's unChristlike not to help them accomplish this. Kenneth is wrong. The Democrats are wrong. I am right.

[video=youtube_share;Qdc-kv7nzaU]http://youtu.be/Qdc-kv7nzaU?list=UU0hVVwpx_zoLEuKI8bOgFdg[/video]
 
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A startling look at how U.S. immigration will add 300 million people to the country this century if immigration policies are not changed. This dramatic presentation of the latest Census data raises serious immigration questions about the ability of the country to achieve environmental sustainability and to meet the quality-of-life infrastructure needs of the national community considering current immigration policy.

[video=youtube_share;muw22wTePqQ]http://youtu.be/muw22wTePqQ?list=UU0hVVwpx_zoLEuKI8bOgFdg[/video]
 
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I would like to thank you AgeofKnowledge by proving my point on how negative instead of loving Christians have become. For you have done nothing but post negative stories about the immigration issue to show how people stir up hatred and no compassion for kids who are truly leaving their country to escape persecution.

You claim the video I posted was from a liberal view point, but look at how bias your fox news report videos you post are.

I charge you with a quest; Find a fox news cast and post it on here that shows the other side ( kids escaping persecution ) of the immigration issue to prove they are none bias ?
 
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I dismiss your hominem. The truth is that I have GREAT love for all involved and understand very well what the most loving, responsible, and wise thing to do is. You, on the other hand, have a lot of misplaced irresponsible feelings that if acted upon result in very negative consequences. That, my friend, is the difference between us.

Your ongoing misrepresentation of the illegal alien crisis only reveals that you're stubbornly ignorant. Of course, it's obvious that it's deliberate.

I've posted a lot of information from law enforcement and third party organizations here as well so you're basically lying by omission about what I have posted in focusing on only what you want to focus on which is that which you think helps you. Better to just have integrity Kenneth Cadwell.

I charge you with a quest: stop helping the street gangs, prison gangs, and cartels expand in the U.S. via illegal immigration; stop displacing American workers with illegal alien labor; stop preventing positive change from occurring in the countries they come from by acting codependently; stop, stop, stop and stop all these negative behaviors you're involved in. Do something right for once with respect to this issue.


I would like to thank you AgeofKnowledge by proving my point on how negative instead of loving Christians have become. For you have done nothing but post negative stories about the immigration issue to show how people stir up hatred and no compassion for kids who are truly leaving their country to escape persecution.

You claim the video I posted was from a liberal view point, but look at how bias your fox news report videos you post are.

I charge you with a quest; Find a fox news cast and post it on here that shows the other side ( kids escaping persecution ) of the immigration issue to prove they are none bias ?
 
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The Center for Immigration Studies hosted a panel discussion to explore fraud and abuse in the asylum system. The erosion of controls designed to prevent fraud, and the resulting increase in approvals, have led to a 600 percent increase in applications since 2007: Panel Video: A Generous Asylum System Riddled with Fraud | Center for Immigration Studies

BROKEN!

WORSE --> The Millennial Generation, sometimes referred to as Generation Y, is well on its way to becoming a "lost generation" as many politicians continue to push for amnesty and massive increases in immigration levels, putting the special interests of a narrow economic and political elite above the needs of the American people.

Facing chronic unemployment and underemployment, Millennials are confronted with a future that is anything but bright. Many Millennials are failing to establish stable careers, while shouldering sizeable student loan debts. Those who do not graduate from college face a labor market in which there are few available jobs paying a living wage.

  • The U.S. economy would have to produce 300,000 jobs every month for the next five years in order to return to pre-recession employment levels. The U.S. economy has averaged 42,000 new jobs a month over the last five years and 107,000 jobs a month over the last 25 years.

  • In October 2013, half of all unemployed workers were Millennials (16- to 34-year olds).

  • The Millennial population of working age in the United States increased by 2.6 million between 2007 and 2012, while the number in this age cohort who were working decreased by 2.9 million.

  • Thirty-nine percent of 18- to 34-year olds were not in the workforce in 2012.

  • Between 2003 and 2012, the number of unemployed 18- to 34-year olds increased 37 percent, up to 5.7 million. The only reason this number is not higher is that during the same period 3.3 million 18- to 34-year olds dropped out of the labor force.

  • The labor participation rate for teenagers is at an historic low, down a third since 1970.

  • Native-born Hispanic Millennials at all education levels are the group most negatively affected by competition from foreign workers.

Read: http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/Generation-Jobless_Feb2014_rev.pdf
 
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30% of all arrests in Hazelton, PA are now the result of central American gangbangers and it's only in the past couple of years!

Large numbers of illegal immigrants are contributing to the huge increase in gang violence in "small-town" America brought to you courtesy of liberal Democrats who are fanning them out all over the nation. Enjoy your new neighbors. They murder, sell drugs, commit assaults and robberies, etc...:

[video=youtube_share;uyd4E1_YvDQ]http://youtu.be/uyd4E1_YvDQ[/video]
 
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Are these illegal aliens persecuted?

The reason why they, NOW, are being called persecuted is because this administration has found a loophole formed under a republican president to invite more immigrants here...ooops I meant illegal immigrants...and that is....if they are persecuted.

This administration and its minions have, once again, blood on their hands in inviting children on long and very dangerous journey to come here..illegallly...and die on the way.....FOR POLITICAL HAY.

Pretty sad really.

If you truly cared about these...illegals....

THEN STEP UP TO THE PLATE WITH A BILL THAT CHANGES IMMIGRATION INSTEAD OF GIVING AMNESTY OVER AND OVER.

COWARDS
 
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There is no loophole. The Democrats fabricated it so they can help the cartels build street gang networks in the U.S. with the help of a few RINOs.

The Wilberforce law states:

“Any unaccompanied alien child sought to be removed by the Department of Homeland Security, except for an unaccompanied alien child from a contiguous country (i.e. Mexico—or Canada, so as not to sound discriminatory) … shall be—placed in removal proceedings … eligible for relief … at no cost to the child and provided access to counsel.”

Once an MS13 minor is in, given their seditious La Raza attorney and a hearing date, they're never going home.

But the law’s definition of “unaccompanied alien child” limits the hearings to kids who have no relatives in the United States. If your relatives live here, the law assumes the homie is trying to join his clique. Here’s the definition—note subsection (C):
“(g) Definitions
“(2) the term ‘unaccompanied alien child’ means a child who—
(A) has no lawful immigration status in the United States;
(B) has not attained 18 years of age; and
(C) with respect to whom—
(i) there is no parent or legal guardian in the United States; or (ii) no parent or legal guardian in the United States is available to provide care and physical custody.”

The law is not a general humanitarian mandate allowing the gangbangers of the world to extend their networks in the U.S. paid for by stressed out American taxpayers.

It’s a law to combat sex trafficking.

Senator Dianne "the nutjob" Feinstein and Vice President "Crazy" Joe Biden wrote the law and as seditious as those two are, they aren't stupid. They're well aware of the problem of illegal immigration. That’s why the law specifically excludes two huge categories of illegal aliens from getting hearings:

(1) Mexicans

(2) Homies who have relatives in the U.S.

These illegal alien cases are NOT sex trafficking cases. They are Central American homies trying to clique up with their respective gangs in the U.S..

This has nothing to do with wholesale sex slavery.

Yet almost 90 percent of the little homies were given refugee status and have already been transferred to relatives in the gang neighborhoods of their respective cliques.

By the law’s clear terms, these Central American gangbangers should have been summarily turned away at the border just as Mexican children are because they aren't victims of sex traffickers!

No law needs to be fixed. The laws on the books need to be enforced.

Obama is defying the law in order to “fundamentally transform America”—as he pledged to do during the 2008 campaign—into Latin America gangland.

Any Republicans pushing for an immigration bill to seal an imaginary loophole aren’t fighting Obama; they’re helping him.

Constitutionally, the remedy for a president defying the law so he can assist an alien invasion is impeachment.


Are these illegal aliens persecuted?

The reason why they, NOW, are being called persecuted is because this administration has found a loophole formed under a republican president to invite more immigrants here...ooops I meant illegal immigrants...and that is....if they are persecuted.

This administration and its minions have, once again, blood on their hands in inviting children on long and very dangerous journey to come here..illegallly...and die on the way.....FOR POLITICAL HAY.

Pretty sad really.

If you truly cared about these...illegals....

THEN STEP UP TO THE PLATE WITH A BILL THAT CHANGES IMMIGRATION INSTEAD OF GIVING AMNESTY OVER AND OVER.

COWARDS
 
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Just look at this U.S. map of cartel activity... all fresh... all new in the past few years... and all brought to you by ignorant deceived liberals and corrupt RINOs helping Obama transform America towns and cities into gang ridden crime holes one illegal alien at a time. There are only twelve states left that don't have material cartel activity in the U.S. either directly or through contracted proxy U.S. street gangs:

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa...-96.152344&spn=32.935553,56.25&z=4&dg=feature

Look at this one
: Mexican drug trafficking in the US: the Sinaloa cartel's vast empire | World news | theguardian.com




14-Year-Old U.S. Citizen Gets Three Years for Beheading Hostages as Mexican Cartel Hitman | TheBlaze.com

^ We do NOT need these new undesirable additions to our neighborhood. We've got enough La Raza gangbangers here operating in the Southwest already.
 
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Immigration has been an issue since like the time of the Vikings hahahah and for sure the 1600's :)
 
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We've got about one to two decades left before all hell breaks loose.

Immigration has been an issue since like the time of the Vikings hahahah and for sure the 1600's :)
 
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Immigration is hurting Americans badly by materially increasing government spending both on social services for illegal aliens and their progeny but also on social services for the American citizens they displace from the domestic labor market and lost tax revenue from the degradation of real wages caused by a glut of cheap labor in the U.S.; the enormous amount of crime these people and their progeny engage in as a demographic and the resulting increases in LE and incarceration to contain it (not to mention a loss of liberty and quality of life); the lost productivity of millions of addicts created through the spread of narcotics; etc... etc... etc... it just goes on and on.

The way we presently do immigration is materially contributing to the socio-economic decline of America and has been since the 1960s. There are, of course, many other factors some of which ARE more important.

But taken in their aggregate, the result is (and has been for about three decades) a situation in which social equilibrium has come to be maintained by enormous annual deficit spending.

It's unsustainable. The U.S. will reach a point where it can no longer borrow enormous sums of real dollars each year to redistribute to maintain the present equilibrium and when that happens the social equilibrium will be thrown into chaos. Hence, my statement.

This isn't rocket science. It's socio-economics 101.

Because it takes decades to occur, everyone lives in pretend land during the socio-economic deterioration incubation period living off the government or scraping by suffering the consequences they live in denial of caused by their own political behaviors falsely accusing every responsible American seeking the necessary and desirable reforms "unloving" and "negative" like our friend Kenneth here.

Well... that is until the seeds of destruction they planted and tended for so long finally ripen into socio-economic chaos.



How about months and not from immigration!
 
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How about months and not from immigration!
I am with you on this. There is only a few months before all out war breaks loose, and immigration will not be the cause of it.

It is the misguided governments that lead through pride, power, greed, and maliciousness. We have grown cold hearted, which is why I felt charged to start this thread.

To show love of one's self or country over the health and safety of others is not God's way. This is how some Christians have become, they care only about themselves or the ones in this country and get blinded to the needs of others as well.

We are charged to help all who are in need.

Hebrews 13:3
Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.

Matthew 25:31-40[SUP] [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[SUP] [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP] [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP] [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP] [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[SUP] [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP] [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

( Those who do this go to eternal life, those who do not in the next verses 41-45 go to ever lasting punishment. )
 
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The big issue is.....

why isn't anyone saying how many kids have died on this journey......and who invited them on a long and dangerous journey?

This is at the feet of our president and his party.

As always, follow the money. How did poor oppressed kids get the 3000 dollars to make this trip.

Google that.

Now we make political hay from the deaths of children....good job democrats....good job.
 
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The problem Kenneth is that you're unloving because you act negligently and irresponsibly making the problem WORSE not better... a fact you appear to be blind to even though it's clearly and carefully being explained to you.

You use a heavily indebted government to steal from other people to create a bigger problem that will be unsupportable in the foreseeable future and then you falsely bear false witness against everyone who knows better and is already busy supporting missionaries and programs abroad to fix the root problems (instead of simply robbing others to feed the problems and make them worse as you advocate).

Jesus Christ never took control of Israel's government and forcibly taxed the Israelites to hand out money to illegal aliens so they could sell dope through gangs in Israel. That's Kenneth's best thinking. Jesus, of course, never did that.

The very ones you're calling goats understand the situation and have been busy for decades working to fix it at the point of origin. See Kenneth, they are busy following Christ's example instead of the nonsense you wrongly advocate.

The problem is that people like yourself, ensure it never gets fixed but only worsens and grows. You're creating a worse problem and then, in a very unchristen manner, wrongly lashing out at God's sheep.

Take a closer look at yourself in the mirror Kenneth:



^ Ignorance, self-deception, irresponsibility, etc... are not Christ like qualities.


To show love of one's self or country over the health and safety of others is not God's way.