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#21
He said people should stop talking bad about the nazis.
Another question is whether or not he actually said that or whether this is more tabloid media bearing false witness.

Do you have evidence that he actually said that?
 

Dude653

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Another question is whether or not he actually said that or whether this is more tabloid media bearing false witness.

Do you have evidence that he actually said that?
Someone had posted the video on the other Kanye thread but looks like it's been taken down by YouTube
 

HealthAndHappiness

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TempleC,

I don't really think it matters what he thinks of " the Jews" as if it's some monolithic homogeneous group. It's just a guy who happens to be a celebrity with a lot of money.
The big deal to me is that...
1. He published his own Bible. There's a major curse that the Lord pronounces on those who add to or take away from God's Word as the Bible concludes. The same could be said of many other books that claim to be bibles too.

2. He is lost and he started his own church.
I could say that same thing of TV Preachers who preach false gospels too. They lead many to hell forever. In light of that, the "Jews" issue is a moot point.

What do you think?
 

Dude653

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TempleC,

I don't really think it matters what he thinks of " the Jews" as if it's some monolithic homogeneous group. It's just a guy who happens to be a celebrity with a lot of money.
The big deal to me is that...
1. He published his own Bible. There's a major curse that the Lord pronounces on those who add to or take away from God's Word as the Bible concludes. The same could be said of many other books that claim to be bibles too.

2. He is lost and he started his own church.
I could say that same thing of TV Preachers who preach false gospels too. They lead many to hell forever. In light of that, the "Jews" issue is a moot point.

What do you think?
Big deal is that he's pushing anti-semitic propaganda and claiming that the Holocaust didn't happen which is just disrespectful
 

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TempleC,

I don't really think it matters what he thinks of " the Jews" as if it's some monolithic homogeneous group. It's just a guy who happens to be a celebrity with a lot of money.
The big deal to me is that...
1. He published his own Bible. There's a major curse that the Lord pronounces on those who add to or take away from God's Word as the Bible concludes. The same could be said of many other books that claim to be bibles too.

2. He is lost and he started his own church.
I could say that same thing of TV Preachers who preach false gospels too. They lead many to hell forever. In light of that, the "Jews" issue is a moot point.

What do you think?
I don't care what he says or thinks what concerns me is that people are supporting him and in agreement with him. Honestly people blasphemy everyday. But it's not every day people Echo Nazi propaganda. And when we hear it, we need to speak out against it. This is about preventing another holocaust plain and simple.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I don't care what he says or thinks what concerns me is that people are supporting him and in agreement with him. Honestly people blasphemy everyday. But it's not every day people Echo Nazi propaganda. And when we hear it, we need to speak out against it. This is about preventing another holocaust plain and simple.
There will be another holocaust. It will be against believers in the true Christ by those who obey the coming antichrist.

I don't have any argument with you. I just hear a lot of media right now that made a deal about his stupid statement along with the 23 year old" yes man "Nick Fuentes. I think the only thing that they accomplished was destroying Kanye's credibility.
 

Dude653

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Kanye needs to get professional help and maybe salvage what's left of his career.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone work so hard to destroy his own career
 

SomeDisciple

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Kanye is a sick man who clearly needs professional help.
He is single-handedly ending his own career
I'm pretty sure Kanye became an outcast when he started rejecting BLM and other liberal mainstream junk.
He could probably literally walk around flinging his own poop and people would call him a genius. I don't get it
"artists", lol. Kanye is the Anti-Willow Smith.
And he did make light of the Holocaust by saying "we're going to stop trashing the Nazis"
I don't know specifically what he means by that; however, I do know that there are even some Jews who have said that -not that the holocaust needs to be forgotten- but that they want the Jewish people to get out of the victim mentality that excessive magnification of holocaust remembrance can cause. I don't think the things that Kanye is saying are fully developed opinions of his; they are more like contrarian reactions to popular opinion.
I'm pretty sure a group of people who murdered a 6 million Jews deserve to be trashed
Sometimes you have to light a light instead of cursing the darkness. Most of those murderers are dead; ghosts of the past. There is enough evil in the present day. I don't know if that is what Kanye was getting at or not, but I personally feel like in school there were some people that were overly passionate about hammering the holocaust into our heads. I totally understood that genocide is bad the first time I heard it; and I would assume that most other people would too... and I think it desensitizes people when it's talked about too much.
 

Dude653

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I'm pretty sure Kanye became an outcast when he started rejecting BLM and other liberal mainstream junk.

"artists", lol. Kanye is the Anti-Willow Smith.

I don't know specifically what he means by that; however, I do know that there are even some Jews who have said that -not that the holocaust needs to be forgotten- but that they want the Jewish people to get out of the victim mentality that excessive magnification of holocaust remembrance can cause. I don't think the things that Kanye is saying are fully developed opinions of his; they are more like contrarian reactions to popular opinion.

Sometimes you have to light a light instead of cursing the darkness. Most of those murderers are dead; ghosts of the past. There is enough evil in the present day. I don't know if that is what Kanye was getting at or not, but I personally feel like in school there were some people that were overly passionate about hammering the holocaust into our heads. I totally understood that genocide is bad the first time I heard it; and I would assume that most other people would too... and I think it desensitizes people when it's talked about too much.
Yeah rejecting BLM is one thing openly being a Nazi apologist is not appropriate behavior by any stretch of the imagination
 

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It's just a guy who happens to be a celebrity with a lot of money.
Amen.

When was it that people started seriously giving a crap about what entertainers had to say- as if their opinions matter more than anyone else's???? It's like when Eminem was flipping out "I FEEL LIKE TRUMP IS IGNORING ME!!!".... yeah, he probably was, because you're a rapper and he's the President of the United States. /shrug.

Y'know, it's one thing if you're a tech guru, and you say something about tech... yeah maybe people should lend an ear. If Gary Kasparov wants to talk about Chess- I'm tuning in... but at the end of the day, these guys political opinions aren't worth any more than the opinion some wasted homeless guy on the street.
 

Dude653

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Amen.

When was it that people started seriously giving a crap about what entertainers had to say- as if their opinions matter more than anyone else's???? It's like when Eminem was flipping out "I FEEL LIKE TRUMP IS IGNORING ME!!!".... yeah, he probably was, because you're a rapper and he's the President of the United States. /shrug.

Y'know, it's one thing if you're a tech guru, and you say something about tech... yeah maybe people should lend an ear. If Gary Kasparov wants to talk about Chess- I'm tuning in... but at the end of the day, these guys political opinions aren't worth any more than the opinion some wasted homeless guy on the street.
Nobody pays attention to a homeless guy on the street but a celebrity with a huge following pushing anti-semitic propaganda is something that should be denounced.
Kanye deserves to become a pariah for this and hopefully no one will work with him anymore
 

SomeDisciple

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a celebrity with a huge following pushing anti-semitic propaganda is something that should be denounced.
What specifically did he say that was anti-semitic?
 

Dude653

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What specifically did he say that was anti-semitic?
You know the same nonsense all anti-semitic people say that the Jews control the whole world and blah blah blah and then he said
"It's time to go death con 3 on the Jews"
That sounds like a death threat to me
He also says the Holocaust didn't happen and that we should stop talking bad about nazis. So not only did he make threats against the Jews but he's a Nazi apologist also
 

SomeDisciple

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You know the same nonsense all anti-semitic people say that the Jews control the whole world and blah blah blah and then he said
"It's time to go death con 3 on the Jews"
That sounds like a death threat to me
He also says the Holocaust didn't happen and that we should stop talking bad about nazis. So not only did he make threats against the Jews but he's a Nazi apologist also
He also has said "I love Jews" and something that would never come out of my mouth "I love the Zionists"... even if I "agape" the zionists, and hope they change their ways. He also said that everyone should stop being violent and follow Jesus Christ... so, even though I definitely don't agree with HOW he talks, I think if you take everything he says as a whole, I find it difficult to interpret as anti-semitic.

I guess you might say that some things that he said "sounded anti-semitic" and could potentially embolden anti-semites. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think that racists in general have much power and influence in the United States; in general, they are a super-minority and no one racist group actually has a chance at gaining power.

I said something that "sounded racist" today to some people; because I thought that "Washington Redskins" was not racist... Honestly, I think if my tribe was being invaded- I might do some savage things like cut off people's scalps and put them on display to strike fear in the hearts of my enemies... and I'm not really ashamed of that, either. I also thought Andrew Cuomo was a scumbag for trying to tax the Iroquois- I don't buy gas and cigarettes at the reservation, it's just the principle. I can say without any doubt that I'm not a racist; and I feel like I shouldn't have to prove that I'm not a racist before I'm accused of being one because of some semantic expressions.
 

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Amen.

When was it that people started seriously giving a crap about what entertainers had to say- as if their opinions matter more than anyone else's???? It's like when Eminem was flipping out "I FEEL LIKE TRUMP IS IGNORING ME!!!".... yeah, he probably was, because you're a rapper and he's the President of the United States. /shrug.

Y'know, it's one thing if you're a tech guru, and you say something about tech... yeah maybe people should lend an ear. If Gary Kasparov wants to talk about Chess- I'm tuning in... but at the end of the day, these guys political opinions aren't worth any more than the opinion some wasted homeless guy on the street.
That's right. My point exactly.
I get tired of celebrities giving their ¢2 on some political opinions or virtue signaling as if it should matter to the rest of the country. We have to see it on the cover of tabloids every time we wait in the check out line at the grocery store.

The talk shows build it up because they get viewers. The guy comes on one of the biggest talk shows in the world with some hood on for some reason that he won't disclose. Then out of the blue he dismisses the Blasiago accusations.....like nobody was talking about bondage porn Kanye, and btw why are you wearing a weird looking black thing with zippers?

Alex is letting him have free speech on his own platform and what does Kanye do? Threatens Alex with a lawsuit if he goes there. Where? I don't know what AJ said to even offend "Ye." Kanye did this again and I'm wondering if he's joking and has a VERY dry sense of humor or serious. I think he was serious and was just extremely narcissistic.
 

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He also has said "I love Jews" and something that would never come out of my mouth "I love the Zionists"... even if I "agape" the zionists, and hope they change their ways. He also said that everyone should stop being violent and follow Jesus Christ... so, even though I definitely don't agree with HOW he talks, I think if you take everything he says as a whole, I find it difficult to interpret as anti-semitic.

I guess you might say that some things that he said "sounded anti-semitic" and could potentially embolden anti-semites. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think that racists in general have much power and influence in the United States; in general, they are a super-minority and no one racist group actually has a chance at gaining power.

I said something that "sounded racist" today to some people; because I thought that "Washington Redskins" was not racist... Honestly, I think if my tribe was being invaded- I might do some savage things like cut off people's scalps and put them on display to strike fear in the hearts of my enemies... and I'm not really ashamed of that, either. I also thought Andrew Cuomo was a scumbag for trying to tax the Iroquois- I don't buy gas and cigarettes at the reservation, it's just the principle. I can say without any doubt that I'm not a racist; and I feel like I shouldn't have to prove that I'm not a racist before I'm accused of being one because of some semantic expressions.
He said it's time to go "death con 3" on the jews.
He also said the Holocaust didn't happen and that Nazis are good people
 

SomeDisciple

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/kanye...h-con-3-on-jewish-people-after-instagram-ban/
He said it's time to go "death con 3" on the jews.
This is the actual quote; (stolen from the Times of Israel)

“I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE The funny thing is I actually can’t be Anti Semitic because black people are actually Jew also You guys have toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone whoever opposes your agenda,”

He is obviously very angry about something that happened in his personal life between himself and some "jewish people"... but nobody knows what "deathcon 3" actually means... it looks like he is just making up words like a 5th grader because he is mad. He is ranting I think it's ridiculous that anyone would take this seriously without further dialog.

He also said the Holocaust didn't happen
More accurately, he said:
"The holocaust is not what happened and we need to look at the facts of that..."

This is not even really a coherent sentance, and I don't know exactly what it means. He never really got into exactly what he DOES believe happened and what specifically he likes about Hitler, besides the Hugo Boss uniforms.

I think he should be more carefully examined, probably by someone smarter and better at interviewing than Alex Jones before he is condemned for a bunch of innuendo.
 

Dude653

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/kanye...h-con-3-on-jewish-people-after-instagram-ban/

This is the actual quote; (stolen from the Times of Israel)

“I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE The funny thing is I actually can’t be Anti Semitic because black people are actually Jew also You guys have toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone whoever opposes your agenda,”

He is obviously very angry about something that happened in his personal life between himself and some "jewish people"... but nobody knows what "deathcon 3" actually means... it looks like he is just making up words like a 5th grader because he is mad. He is ranting I think it's ridiculous that anyone would take this seriously without further dialog.


More accurately, he said:
"The holocaust is not what happened and we need to look at the facts of that..."

This is not even really a coherent sentance, and I don't know exactly what it means. He never really got into exactly what he DOES believe happened and what specifically he likes about Hitler, besides the Hugo Boss uniforms.

I think he should be more carefully examined, probably by someone smarter and better at interviewing than Alex Jones before he is condemned for a bunch of innuendo.
He said " Hitler didn't kill 6 million Jews"... He has become a full-blown Nazi apologist
He is single-handedly ending his own career
 

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He said " Hitler didn't kill 6 million Jews"... He has become a full-blown Nazi apologist
He is single-handedly ending his own career
* has ended his career...
 

HealthAndHappiness

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TempleC,

I don't really think it matters what he thinks of " the Jews" as if it's some monolithic homogeneous group. It's just a guy who happens to be a celebrity with a lot of money.
The big deal to me is that...
1. He published his own Bible. There's a major curse that the Lord pronounces on those who add to or take away from God's Word as the Bible concludes. The same could be said of many other books that claim to be bibles too.

2. He is lost and he started his own church.
I could say that same thing of TV Preachers who preach false gospels too. They lead many to hell forever. In light of that, the "Jews" issue is a moot point.

What do you think?
I still consider that Kanye is an unbeliever who is leading others astray. However, I think I made a mistake on one important point.
CORRECTION:. After checking with another source, I discovered that I was wrong about #1 above. Kanye did Not publish his own bible. Did he endorse it? I can't tell if the pictures were photoshopped, so I will reserve judgement on that. There are a number of sources that accused Kanye West of publishing his own Bible as in this Link: Kanye's "Bible"?
That is an extremely serious sin and I think it appropriate to publicly apologize for this particular mistake and set the record straight. I have since spent more time in estimating the public allegations and do not think Kanye published that blasphemous book.
Another source allegedly contacted the publisher. Link:
Book of Yeezus author

Transcript:
"Man Who Published Kanye West Bible Replacing 'God' With Rapper's Name Hits Back at Critics As Sales Soar
Book of Yeezus Author Q&A

The Christian Post: Who published the book; I read somewhere that it was three brothers is that true?

Author: Yeah that's true, you're actually speaking to one of the brothers. We published the book ourselves, we have a manufacturer… it's self-published.

CP: Where are you guys based out of?

Author: I live in California but my two brothers are in Michigan.

CP: For the record, Kanye West had nothing to do with this book right? He wasn't involved in the creation of the Book of Yeezus?

That's correct, it's definitely a misconception. We're waiting to hear from the guy. We have nothing to do with him. I've never met him."