Israel Declares War

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Isaiah 43:1 But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.

3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.

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A lot of people are describing the heinous and despicable acts committed in this war by Hamas as monstrous and inhuman. Therefore I think it only fair that we balance that with other news that shows their human side. They sent a thank you card for the $6 billion in rockets to the Whitehouse. Now is that so monstrous?
Good news! Biden tells us that Iran was not involved in the attacks on Israel. It turns out that was Russian disinformation spread by Maga Trump supporters, it is pure coincidence that 6 billion was given to Iran and Hamas were confused when they thought the weapons they got were from Biden and Iran, the reason for this confusion is they don't know about Santa Claus.
 

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You are not God, I am not God, this is not your call. Also, the New Testament is different from the Old Testament. Amalek represents the flesh and it was totally annihilated on the cross. All those who refuse to repent of sins and receive Jesus' atoning sacrifice will be dealt with by God during the tribulation. Why aren't you getting that?

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Psalm 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

I am all for righteous judgement, but I am also aware that God is far better at it than I am.

Judgement must begin with the house of God which means my desire for vengeance must be on the cross and like Jesus I must also pray that "God would forgive them for they know not what they do".

Perhaps some do know what they are doing, that is fine, after the others get saved God will judge them.

Sorry, I still don't get it. Are you saying instead of going after the Nazi's Israel should have just let God handle it?! What about the bombing at the Olympics? Let it pass? Again with Hiroshima, America are the terrorists now? Nope, we agree on a lot but not on this. You cannot let this pass without punishment. They have beheaded babies, that is inhuman.
 

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Sorry, I still don't get it. Are you saying instead of going after the Nazi's Israel should have just let God handle it?! What about the bombing at the Olympics? Let it pass? Again with Hiroshima, America are the terrorists now? Nope, we agree on a lot but not on this. You cannot let this pass without punishment. They have beheaded babies, that is inhuman.
You joined a discussion between me and Brighthouse where he said "No mercy. no grace here!!! Take them or be taken that is Israel choice! May they make the right choice!! Hamas is ruthless. Israel must be even more ruthless to win!"

I disagree with that.

Since you jumped in saying the world is ruthless I understood you to be agreeing with that statement.

As for governments dealing with murder, that is the Noah covenant, they are obligated to.

As for the Jews going after Nazi's they also followed the law from the Nuremberg court.

Who was at fault with the Native Americans? You could argue that they were ruthless, but in the end it is the winners who are judged for being ruthless. Today the US is condemned for diseased blankets, broken treaties, and killing women and children. Perhaps the Native Americans were also guilty of atrocities, but since they lost no one cares. Once you go down this road there are no winners, only losers.
 

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The war was not yet won. And as horrific as the bombs were, multiple times more would have perished in a ground attack on Japan.
I disagree, based on the historians and researchers I have read.

However, whether true or not, the belief that the ends justifies the means is a dangerous one to take. It also takes away any moral high ground you may have when arguing against crimes like terrorism. Such a philosophy ultimately comes down to "might is right", or perhaps more honestly "do what thou wilt", ultimately a Satanic belief and one I don't believe God would be pleased with.
 

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I disagree, based on the historians and researchers I have read.

However, whether true or not, the belief that the ends justifies the means is a dangerous one to take. It also takes away any moral high ground you may have when arguing against crimes like terrorism. Such a philosophy ultimately comes down to "might is right", or perhaps more honestly "do what thou wilt", ultimately a Satanic belief and one I don't believe God would be pleased with.
very well said
 

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two tower and the Pentagon= 3
I wasn't talking about the missile (or explosion) at the Pentagon. I'm talking about WTC-7 - the third building that collapsed. 3 buildings with 2 planes, if you believe in the government conspiracy theory. The North tower, the South tower, and WTC-7.

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I wasn't talking about the missile (or explosion) at the Pentagon. I'm talking about WTC-7 - the third building that collapsed. 3 buildings with 2 planes, if you believe in the government conspiracy theory. The North tower, the South tower, and WTC-7.

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No, we saw the jets hit the tower, and I know those who were at the Pentagon when the jet hit it were there and saw it firsthand.

Yes, there was building damage to surrounding areas from the impact of the Twin Towers. BUT Jets hit three placed and one field
 

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You have nothing at all to back up your conspiracy theories. None! And frankly it's disgusting to say these things without proof.
You know the phrase "conspiracy theorist" was invented by the CIA to denigrate those who questioned the sham commission into the JFK assassination? And that the CIA has finally admitted to being complicit in the JFK assassination? So by calling my statements "conspiracy theories", you are tacitly admitting that I am right, and that one day, people will realise it, albeit after a very, very long time? Take heart in knowing that the disgust you feel is probably just a psychological phenomenum known as cognitive dissonance, because the truth I have stated is at such discord with the lies you believe that it invokes a physical effect in you.


Oh so you're making me look like a blood thirsty terrorist now. smh They are NOT innocent. Palestinians, so called, are protesting here in the US and what are they chanting? From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". What do they mean by that?? That's not Hamas, that's civilians!! They keep electing them into power while use Israel each and every day. They go to their schools, colleges, their businesses and hospitals for care. All the while naming streets after terrorists that kill a Jew. Do not say Palestinians are innocent they aren't!! They have no right to the land they are standing on! That land Biblically and historically belongs to the Jews. No, they are a political make up of Arabs to try and push Israel into the ocean. NOT innocent!! This wasn't the military fighting military, they murdered innocent civilians.
I'm not actually sure on your position, but from your posts, you seem to be saying it's okay to murder civilians because of their political beliefs, or because some other people in their country are war criminals or terrorists. Lots of Americans were cheering for the illegal war in Iraq brought about by the war criminal George Bush and accusations about non-existent weapons of mass destruction. While such behaviour (cheering at the destruction of others) is despicable, it's no excuse for war crimes or terrorism, and I fully support anyone using such behaviour as excuses for war crimes to be held accountable to the full extent of international law (death penalty applies). The bible gives clear rules about when the death penalty applies, and simply being a despicable man or woman (as many of us were or are) is not one of them.


Baloney! I can't stand the sight of Biden and as much of bumbling idiot I think he is I would never accuse him of trying to get Americans killed on purpose to stay in office. Nor Obama for that matter. I don't believe this junk for a second.
Lol. You aren't aware of all the homosexuals Obama had murdered so the population wouldn't become aware he was a sodomite? You surely have heard about his late chef who died in highly questionable circumstances? I won't even get into how Biden spent American lives to stay in power (do you not even remember covid!?) - as I'm sure you'll learn yourself over the next year or two.
 

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No, we saw the jets hit the tower, and I know those who were at the Pentagon when the jet hit it were there and saw it firsthand.

Yes, there was building damage to surrounding areas from the impact of the Twin Towers. BUT Jets hit three placed and one field
In New York City, there were 3 buildings felled, from 2 planes. How is it you believe WTC-7 collapsed within it's own footprint, without a plane to have (allegedly) crashed into it?
 

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In New York City, there were 3 buildings felled, from 2 planes. How is it you believe WTC-7 collapsed within it's own footprint, without a plane to have (allegedly) crashed into it?


oh my the fire of WTC-7 was caused by WTC-1 which also the sprinkler system in wtc-7 failed
 

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oh my the fire of WTC-7 was caused by WTC-1 which also the sprinkler system in wtc-7 failed
And you believe fires, as well as plane crashes, have the ability to cause buildings to collapse within their own footprints?
 

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oh my the fire of WTC-7 was caused by WTC-1 which also the sprinkler system in wtc-7 failed
building fires are around 500-600 degrees F. Steel melts at 2,000 degrees F.

This is why before 9/11 we never had a steel framed skyscraper collapse from fire despite some very horrific fires. Also, after 9/11 we have not had any steel framed buildings collapse from fire.
 

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I disagree, based on the historians and researchers I have read.

However, whether true or not, the belief that the ends justifies the means is a dangerous one to take. It also takes away any moral high ground you may have when arguing against crimes like terrorism. Such a philosophy ultimately comes down to "might is right", or perhaps more honestly "do what thou wilt", ultimately a Satanic belief and one I don't believe God would be pleased with.
I think that sometimes the children of the world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
 

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I think that sometimes the children of the world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
 

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1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Dropping the bombs saved lives. It's not a matter of ends justifying the means. It's a matter of saving lives and property.
 

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Dropping the bombs saved lives. It's not a matter of ends justifying the means. It's a matter of saving lives and property.
Hiroshima wasn't the end, Armageddon is the end and it will be justified because of the means man has used to kill each other.

What I find offensive is people who never fought in the Army, people who labeled 75 million Americans as deplorable, irredeemable and domestic terrorists, People who sent their jobs overseas with NAFTA, who opened the borders to let illegals take their jobs, now they are being told them must go and fight to protect the border of Ukraine.

If you want to go and fight in Ukraine, do it, but stop telling others they have to. The hypocrisy is off the charts. It should be a requirement, you want to get on TV and tell people to go fight, you should first be required to enlist to go overseas.
 

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From Amir Tsarfati on Telegram:

Vladimir Putin blames Israel:

“The Palestinian problem is in the heart of every Muslim and is considered an injustice. At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel, a Palestinian state was also supposed to be established, but this did not happen. The US is trying to replace the solution of the problem with material handouts. Israel's settlement policy is one of the causes of the explosion in the region. Women and children should be left, let the men fight each other. The outbreak of violence is terrible and I must point out the rage and cruelty of both sides. The expansion of the conflict in Israel may to bring about difficult results, including in the field of energy.”
 

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Hiroshima wasn't the end, Armageddon is the end and it will be justified because of the means man has used to kill each other.

What I find offensive is people who never fought in the Army, people who labeled 75 million Americans as deplorable, irredeemable and domestic terrorists, People who sent their jobs overseas with NAFTA, who opened the borders to let illegals take their jobs, now they are being told them must go and fight to protect the border of Ukraine.

If you want to go and fight in Ukraine, do it, but stop telling others they have to. The hypocrisy is off the charts. It should be a requirement, you want to get on TV and tell people to go fight, you should first be required to enlist to go overseas.
I'm not in favor of fighting in Ukraine. I have never suggested otherwise. And comparing WWII which we didn't precipitate to current events which we have had a part in engineering is a stretch.
Your anger is misdirected if it finds me as a target. I'm not guilty of any of the things you have listed.
None of this changes the fact that while horrific, the use of the atomic bomb saved countless more lives than it took.
 

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Hiroshima wasn't the end, Armageddon is the end and it will be justified because of the means man has used to kill each other.

What I find offensive is people who never fought in the Army, people who labeled 75 million Americans as deplorable, irredeemable and domestic terrorists, People who sent their jobs overseas with NAFTA, who opened the borders to let illegals take their jobs, now they are being told them must go and fight to protect the border of Ukraine.

If you want to go and fight in Ukraine, do it, but stop telling others they have to. The hypocrisy is off the charts. It should be a requirement, you want to get on TV and tell people to go fight, you should first be required to enlist to go overseas.
The trick is to get the OTHER GUY to fight. A feint perpetrated most often by the politicians and wealthy elites.
The hapless citizenry are of course the sounding boards to propagate the signal. So do not listen to them either.