Israel Declares War

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cv5

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Trying to justify that the murder of innocent civilians in an effort to destroy a handful of terrorists is justified, rather than calling it out for being exactly the same war crime as terrorism is. If any other country or organisation were doing this, Christians would be swift to condemn it as evil. Because the criminal government doing it has named itself "Israel", the sense of justice of too many Christians somehow becomes corrupted. I don't think this pleases God.

You don't know who the remnant are. The so-called Jews don't even know their ancestry, as the temple was destroyed with the genealogical records in 70AD. One way or another, we agree that God is not done with those who claim to be Jews. My belief is that it will be more along the lines of Revelation 3:9 .

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

However, whether God is still working with the Israelis or not, it does not give Christians the right to declare as good that which is clearly evil (such as war crimes).

We are Jesus' brethren. Everyone who believes on Jesus is His brethren. Jesus' blessing is for everyone who helped Jesus' brethren - i.e. Christians. Jesus spoke to those of His countrymen (i.e. Jews) who disbelieved His word, and called them out as children of the devil.
@Moses_Young :
"You don't know who the remnant are."

But Omniscient God certainly does. He is the Great Rememberer.
Maybe you think that He has lost His touch?
 

cv5

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I don't agree with his teaching on that, but I used him because He is Here did. Looks like he had it right on the subject of Israel.
Spurgeon also referred to the Church as Israel very commonly. But he is of course excused for this.
 

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It could be. I am exhausted at trying to figure out what story is and isn't true. This war of information is going to be increasingly more difficult to extract and discern facts.

lol, me too on the exhausted part. I'm not for killing civilians in any war so don't take what I'm saying wrong.

Anyway since Oct.7th the civilian deaths and casualties have been going up and up but I notice that the PA in Gaza hasn't mentioned any "Hamas fighters" deaths or casualty numbers. In the Israeli news I found that about 1500 fighters were killed. So then I searched to see if Gaza even has an official military or not and found that it is demilitarized and so doesn't it has the PSS instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Security_Services It makes me wonder though since Hamas is not a military then aren't they also considered civilian and are added into the same total? It just makes me curious in that the media tells us the civilian counts day after day but never the amount of soldiers,military personnel ect. have you seen any totals on them?
 

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Israel Caves to Biden Regime - Agrees to Delay Gaza Ground Invasion to Wipe Out Hamas | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

The Israeli government has reportedly bowed to the Biden regime and agreed to delay their Gaza ground invasion for now.

The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday that U.S. officials have held off the Israelis from launching their quest to wipe off Islamist terror group Hamas supposedly out of concern for U.S. troops in the area.

The Regime claims they wanted Israel to hold off until U.S air-defense systems can be placed in the region. These systems will ostensibly be installed as early as later this week.

Israel is also reportedly concerned over efforts to provide humanitarian aid inside Gaza, as well as diplomatic efforts to free hostages held by Hamas savages.
 

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Israel Caves to Biden Regime - Agrees to Delay Gaza Ground Invasion to Wipe Out Hamas | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

The Israeli government has reportedly bowed to the Biden regime and agreed to delay their Gaza ground invasion for now.

The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday that U.S. officials have held off the Israelis from launching their quest to wipe off Islamist terror group Hamas supposedly out of concern for U.S. troops in the area.

The Regime claims they wanted Israel to hold off until U.S air-defense systems can be placed in the region. These systems will ostensibly be installed as early as later this week.

Israel is also reportedly concerned over efforts to provide humanitarian aid inside Gaza, as well as diplomatic efforts to free hostages held by Hamas savages.
I think they expect this war to escalate with Iran and Jordan once they enter Gaza. Also, when you are going to do a ground invasion it is best to keep them on edge as long as possible, they have done that, they have been massed at the border for over a week, the power is off, the water is off, this makes life very hard and very exhausting for those in Gaza who are going to defend it from the attack. When you have to go each day to a truck, stand in line, fill up a water jug and carry it back, that is a big job to add to your other jobs. They bombard them every night, they haven't had a shower or a good nights sleep in 18 days, so this is what you want.

Then before you do go in you let them know you are going to hold off for a few days so that they might decide now is the time to go get that good nights sleep.
 
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Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.

4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.

5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

I have included the prophesy about the two sticks because in Ezekiel he gives the punishment of Israel and the Punishment of Judah. They are different time periods. In the book of Leviticus it gives us a principle that if you do not repent after the punishment is over it is increased by 7 fold and if you still do not repent after that it is increased again 7 fold.

When you look at the time period for these two punishments there is only one time in human history when both Israel and Judah could see their punishments end on the same year and that was 1948.

Then as far as Israel becoming a nation in one day:

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
I will read those passages in their chapters and books and see how this all works in context.
 
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Israel Caves to Biden Regime - Agrees to Delay Gaza Ground Invasion to Wipe Out Hamas | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

The Israeli government has reportedly bowed to the Biden regime and agreed to delay their Gaza ground invasion for now.

The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday that U.S. officials have held off the Israelis from launching their quest to wipe off Islamist terror group Hamas supposedly out of concern for U.S. troops in the area.

The Regime claims they wanted Israel to hold off until U.S air-defense systems can be placed in the region. These systems will ostensibly be installed as early as later this week.

Israel is also reportedly concerned over efforts to provide humanitarian aid inside Gaza, as well as diplomatic efforts to free hostages held by Hamas savages.
The ground invasion is the only correct action. The bombing was out of line.
 

ZNP

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The ground invasion is the only correct action. The bombing was out of line.
Can you refer me to another ground invasion of a densely populated city that didn't first start with aerial bombardment and artillery?
 

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It is a good military strategy to degrade your adversary's ability to prosecute war before engaging them. In typical warfare, it is easier because you can identify targets and destroy them. What is unique here is that Hamas uses humans as shields for these targets. So the dilemma is created by the very people who initiated the fighting. Israel is left with a difficult choice...either protect its people, or protect Palestinian lives. All are free to think what they will about what choices are made, but the choices given are the result of the decisions Hamas has made. Why is one outraged at one group without equal and greater outrage for the other?
 

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It is a good military strategy to degrade your adversary's ability to prosecute war before engaging them. In typical warfare, it is easier because you can identify targets and destroy them. What is unique here is that Hamas uses humans as shields for these targets. So the dilemma is created by the very people who initiated the fighting. Israel is left with a difficult choice...either protect its people, or protect Palestinian lives. All are free to think what they will about what choices are made, but the choices given are the result of the decisions Hamas has made. Why is one outraged at one group without equal and greater outrage for the other?
The best way to save Palestinian lives is to wipe out Hamas and this is the best way Israel has to wipe them out.

But the lesson for us is that this will come here, are you listening to the Lord if He tells you to leave your Gaza?

I am instructed by Stan Johnson of Prophecy Club to ask all to pray for our nation!

A GREAT cataclysm is about to hit America. One that will go a long way to destroy this nation. One that will do more than send Americans to their knees. Much bigger and more cataclysmic than that. The big one.

This one is so big if we don’t start praying immediately not many Americans will be alive and not much of America will be left.

The thing I fear the most has come upon this nation.

JOB 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.

America has played the harlot and gone away the path of righteousness and the love of Jesus. She has said in her heart. I can never fall.

REV 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

God will not see, and if he does, He will do nothing to me.

The time has come for great calamity to hit America.

Those that know how to fast and pray MUST do so now, or very little will remain of your once-great nation.

I am calling my prayer warriors to war! To war a good warfare!

1TI 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

It is time to fast/pray and get on your knees and face and repent for your nation or little will be left.

The time of delay has ended. The time of great destruction has arrived. Seek me with your whole face. Turn not to the left or the right. This is the time of great miracles and great calamity. Both come as a two-sided coin.

Do not be distracted. Do not let the cares of this life distract you.

LUK 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

Things like job, family entertainment that do so easily beset.

HEB 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Not only repent of your personal, family but also the sins of your nation. Your nation has sinned grievously and my anger has come up in my face.

JER 33:5 They come to fight with the Chaldeans, but it is to fill them with the dead bodies of men, whom I have slain in mine anger and in my fury, and for all whose wickedness I have hid my face from this city.

America was once the golden cup in my hand but now has become the habitation of devils.

JER 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.
REV 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.


A nation shall come from afar to destroy your nation.

JER 50:3 For out of the north there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.

I have warned and spoken by my holy prophets but my nation America has not listened to my warnings. Now the time of warning has passed. It is now time for great cataclysm to hit.

LUK 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

What is it? What is coming? I have already told you many times by many Prophets and America would not hear. Now is not the time for specific events. Now is the time for fasted urgent prayer or else I will come unto you and fight against you.

REV 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

I am calling for three days of fasted/prayers. All in unison. This is the time for weeping and wailing. Either by prayer or by cataclysm to hit. This is not a time of rejoicing, but a time of fasting and prayer.

NEH 1:4 And it came to pass, when I heard these words, that I sat down and wept, and mourned certain days, and fasted, and prayed before the God of heaven,

DAN 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

MAT 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
LUK 2:37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.


Note: I don't know what is coming. I was a little shocked to get this request. Just being obedient.
 

Cameron143

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The best way to save Palestinian lives is to wipe out Hamas and this is the best way Israel has to wipe them out.

But the lesson for us is that this will come here, are you listening to the Lord if He tells you to leave your Gaza?

I am instructed by Stan Johnson of Prophecy Club to ask all to pray for our nation!

A GREAT cataclysm is about to hit America. One that will go a long way to destroy this nation. One that will do more than send Americans to their knees. Much bigger and more cataclysmic than that. The big one.

This one is so big if we don’t start praying immediately not many Americans will be alive and not much of America will be left.

The thing I fear the most has come upon this nation.

JOB 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.

America has played the harlot and gone away the path of righteousness and the love of Jesus. She has said in her heart. I can never fall.

REV 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

God will not see, and if he does, He will do nothing to me.

The time has come for great calamity to hit America.

Those that know how to fast and pray MUST do so now, or very little will remain of your once-great nation.

I am calling my prayer warriors to war! To war a good warfare!

1TI 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

It is time to fast/pray and get on your knees and face and repent for your nation or little will be left.

The time of delay has ended. The time of great destruction has arrived. Seek me with your whole face. Turn not to the left or the right. This is the time of great miracles and great calamity. Both come as a two-sided coin.

Do not be distracted. Do not let the cares of this life distract you.

LUK 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

Things like job, family entertainment that do so easily beset.

HEB 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Not only repent of your personal, family but also the sins of your nation. Your nation has sinned grievously and my anger has come up in my face.

JER 33:5 They come to fight with the Chaldeans, but it is to fill them with the dead bodies of men, whom I have slain in mine anger and in my fury, and for all whose wickedness I have hid my face from this city.

America was once the golden cup in my hand but now has become the habitation of devils.

JER 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.
REV 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.


A nation shall come from afar to destroy your nation.

JER 50:3 For out of the north there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.

I have warned and spoken by my holy prophets but my nation America has not listened to my warnings. Now the time of warning has passed. It is now time for great cataclysm to hit.

LUK 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

What is it? What is coming? I have already told you many times by many Prophets and America would not hear. Now is not the time for specific events. Now is the time for fasted urgent prayer or else I will come unto you and fight against you.

REV 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

I am calling for three days of fasted/prayers. All in unison. This is the time for weeping and wailing. Either by prayer or by cataclysm to hit. This is not a time of rejoicing, but a time of fasting and prayer.

NEH 1:4 And it came to pass, when I heard these words, that I sat down and wept, and mourned certain days, and fasted, and prayed before the God of heaven,

DAN 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

MAT 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
LUK 2:37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.


Note: I don't know what is coming. I was a little shocked to get this request. Just being obedient.
Nothing wrong with prayer. I'm still shocked people haven't begun praying together in droves.
 

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The interviewer did such a fantastic job in being respectful but not letting Israel's spokesperson manipulate the facts. I've never seen her before, but I want to see more of her work based off this interview. Does anyone follow her?
 
From my point of view, it is clear to me that bebe intends to push all the Palestinians into the sea. Sparing no one.
In the past the Israelis used their IDF sniper teams to single out and murder Palestinian children.
Today he will use his tanks to murder what is lefty of the Palestinian population.
Bebe is one SICK person!!!!
:)-
 
If any other country or organisation were doing this, Christians would be swift to condemn it as evil. Because the criminal government doing it has named itself "Israel", the sense of justice of too many Christians somehow becomes corrupted. I don't think this pleases God.
Amen
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From my point of view, it is clear to me that bebe intends to push all the Palestinians into the sea. Sparing no one.
In the past the Israelis used their IDF sniper teams to single out and murder Palestinian children.
Today he will use his tanks to murder what is lefty of the Palestinian population.
Bebe is one SICK person!!!!
:)-
Unlike Gaza or Jordan or Syria or Iran you are allowed to have that opinion and even express it publicly on a forum on the internet.

There are so many interpretations concerning eschatology most do not want to get into it, especially in a platform like this. However, one thing is very clear that we can all agree on and the entire world, every nation, will ultimately be united against Israel. In order to bring in God's kingdom and for His will to be done on earth you can be sure the gates of Hell will be united against this, but they will not prevail.
 

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Can you refer me to another ground invasion of a densely populated city that didn't first start with aerial bombardment and artillery?
Fair question. For the sake of discussion, let's say 100% of all aerial bombardments done in history was done by indiscriminately bombing densely populated areas. Does it then make it morally acceptable because it's always been done this way?
 

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Unlike Gaza or Jordan or Syria or Iran you are allowed to have that opinion and even express it publicly on a forum on the internet.
Actually, Palestinians in Israel and on occupied land are not allowed to express their feelings publicly or online without facing consequences from the IDF. Unfortunately, if you're past 5 minutes you won't be able to edit your post to include Israel.

Arabs in Israel face reprisals over online solidarity with Gaza
 

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Fair question. For the sake of discussion, let's say 100% of all aerial bombardments done in history was done by indiscriminately bombing densely populated areas. Does it then make it morally acceptable because it's always been done this way?
Not my question. My question is specifically about Locopony's post #2127 saying that the ground invasion is correct but bombarding them first was wrong. So I would like an example of what the right way is to root out terrorists in a city.
 

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lol, me too on the exhausted part. I'm not for killing civilians in any war so don't take what I'm saying wrong.

Anyway since Oct.7th the civilian deaths and casualties have been going up and up but I notice that the PA in Gaza hasn't mentioned any "Hamas fighters" deaths or casualty numbers. In the Israeli news I found that about 1500 fighters were killed. So then I searched to see if Gaza even has an official military or not and found that it is demilitarized and so doesn't it has the PSS instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Security_Services It makes me wonder though since Hamas is not a military then aren't they also considered civilian and are added into the same total? It just makes me curious in that the media tells us the civilian counts day after day but never the amount of soldiers,military personnel ect. have you seen any totals on them?
Good point. I have no idea on the # of Hamas terrorists killed. I know they estimated there were about 50,000 of them though. This might be incorrect, but I find it difficult to believe they would consider Hamas terrorists (militants) civilians though. They call the "militants" of Hamas the "military wing" of Hamas. They are certainty enemy combatants and not civilians though. Something I plan on looking into.