Israel Declares War

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You are emotionally charged on this issue

Oh and you aren't! rofl And don't even start with biased. Seriously!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Jesus was a Jew but not a Zionist - how did you come to that conclusion?

Because that was the promise God made to Abraham. And He will keep it.

There was a New covenant not that of Moses so it has been taken away from the Israelites.

Abrahamic covenant is everlasting. That was the promise of the land and it stands to this day.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Okay well you are expanding out into a different direction.

Considering the words of Jesus, even though God foreknew perhaps if the Jews had accepted Him as Messiah things may have gone a different way, there is a reason Jesus said those words.

You can wait for the abomination of desolation, I stick with the words of Jesus .... YOU, This generation, etc.,

The Jews will accept Him. Did you just erase that out of the Book or what?!

 

[HeIsHere]

Oh and you aren't! rofl And don't even start with biased. Seriously!

You just think that cause I offer the other side of the historical facts.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You just think that cause I offer the other side of the historical facts.

No, that's the problem. You think a fact has two sides. It doesn't.

 

[Smoke]

Worst thing is thats just a small sample of many

Why do you think it's not well-known within the Christian community what is behind their teachings? I'm not sure how they reconcile believing in the Torah, but then also using the Talmud as a "sacred" resource.

 

[Moses_Young]

Yes and there are specific links that go into great depth proving America is the great Babylon.

1. Israel does not sit on many waters

2. Israel is not a superpower

3. Israel has not made all the nations drink of the wine of her abominations. That refers to Hollywood, Disney, and all our publishing media including Cable news, etc.

4. Israel did not take the word of God to all the nations, the Christians did, particularly the UK and the US. We are the "daughter" of the UK. The word of God is considered fine gold, and Babylon holds a golden cup in her hand that she used to make all the nations drink from.

5. If Israel were destroyed all the merchants of the world would not be crying. The US is the biggest consumer nation, if we get destroyed that will make them cry.

2 years ago, I would have agreed, but not anymore. The state of Israel is a kind of false religion - like an extreme form of Phariseeaism, or Zionism, although Satanism is probably closer to what those at the top actually practice (think Molech in the Old Testament). I will use "the state of Israel" to differentiate today's (false) Israel, from the real Israel - God's chosen nation in the Old Testament.

1) As a religion, the state of Israel does sit on many waters. It has dual citizens in countries all over the world.
2) The state of Israel (via its dual citizens) has controlling interests all over the place - US and Russia included. US troops are landing in Israel to assist it in a war of its creating (false flag terrorism). It certainly is a superpower.
3) Who do you think is behind Hollywood, Disney, all our fake news, pedophiles in government (Mossad and other secret services arrange this to blackmail/control powerful people)? The head of the snake rests in the state of Israel, via Mossad, which has a controlling stake in many intelligence organisations around the world.
4) Israel came before the church - even the real Israel was described as a prostitute in bible times.
5) I'm pretty sure the merchants of the world would be crying if the state of Israel ceased to be - usury is one of the things Jews are best known for, even so far back as the 1600s. The state of Israel has maintained the tradition, and again, has controlling interests via its agents in banks all over the place. Whether child/human trafficking, drugs, weapons, etc., the agents of the state of Israel have their fingers in many pies. The US is used as hired muscle for the state of Israel - its enforcer.

 

[Moses_Young]

Why do you think it's not well-known within the Christian community what is behind their teachings? I'm not sure how they reconcile believing in the Torah, but then also using the Talmud as a "sacred" resource.

The Talmud for many is their religious book. The Torah is a front, with which they use to dupe gullible Christians into thinking they are the same as the Old Testament Pharisees (i.e. Talmud trumps Torah). There is a small fraction which does actually believe in the Torah, and rejects the satanic Talmud.

 

[Moses_Young]

Prophets always had to have a short term prophecy, and a longer term prophecy. The former, to prove they weren't false prophets.

So If you are able to see that the Olivet discourse, actually involved 2 different locations where Jesus spoke, and had differing messages in vital places, that had a short term prophecy, the destruction of the Temple, and Jerusalem in AD 70. And a far yet FUTURE prophecy, dealing with the end times, and His second return, then maybe you can accept the Jews being in Israel today.
I'll copy and paste a post I made about the Olivet discourse here. I'd encourage you to examine closely the 3 Gospel accounts, and note the difference between Mark & Matthew, which are virtually identical, and Luke, which has important differences than those 2.

"But what few Amil Christians understand, is that the Olivet discourses in Matthew and Mark are virtually identical.

Whereas Luke is different in key areas.

Matthew and Marks account take place at night, privately, with just His disciples.

Part of the Luke account takes place in the day, AT THE TEMPLE, in front of the people.

Read all 3 and notice the difference.

So indeed “that generation” did not pass before the destruction of Jerusalem, 38 years, the exact time of the wilderness wanderings.

But the generation In Matthew comes “after these things”.

I can accept this. But I'd sooner treat Daniel as completed prophecy, with Revelation a similar but different prophecy. A smarter guy than me (whose name I forget!) once said "History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes."

 

[Smoke]

The Talmud for many is their religious book. The Torah is a front, with which they use to dupe gullible Christians into thinking they are the same as the Old Testament Pharisees (i.e. Talmud trumps Torah). There is a small fraction which does actually believe in the Torah, and rejects the satanic Talmud.

Just as every pro-Israel no-matter- what person demands starting a discussion with "Do you condemn Hamas for the Oct 7th attack?", which we all do, I feel like we should ask that same question to any and every Jew.... "Do you condemn the hateful and evil rhetoric found in the Talmud?" If they say "No", call them the same thing they call Hamas.

 

[Moses_Young]

Just as every pro-Israel no matter what person demands starting a discussion with "Do you condemn Hamas for the Oct 7th attack?", which we all do, I feel like we should ask that same question to any and every Jew.... "Do you condemn the hateful and evil rhetoric found in the Talmud?" If they say "No", call them the same thing they call Hamas.

I think some have in the past, and get called the usual insults - anti-Semitic etc. But what you say is valid. I've heard the Talmud endorses pedophilia just like Islam. The devil started many religions.

 

[Moses_Young]

Babylon Mother of harlots = Rome
Harlots = Denominations

Revelation 17:5,9 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

[9] And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Jerusalem also sits on seven hills (mountain peaks).

 

[Smoke]

I think some have in the past, and get called the usual insults - anti-Semitic etc. But what you say is valid. I've heard the Talmud endorses pedophilia just like Islam. The devil started many religions.

This is so wild to me... I feel like my head has been in the sand my entire life. Never knew any of this.

So in the past, one would be called antisemitic for rebuking and condemning thoughts such as killing non-believers (non-Jews)? I don't understand how 100% of Christians (that are aware) don't see this as a clear double-standard. They have the bravery to call out Muslims who believe in the Koran, but suddenly lack the courage when it comes to the Talmud. This is nuts.

 

[Moses_Young]

This is so wild to me... I feel like my head has been in the sand my entire life. Never knew any of this.

So in the past, one would be called antisemitic for rebuking and condemning thoughts such as killing non-believers (non-Jews)? I don't understand how 100% of Christians (that are aware) don't see this as a clear double-standard. They have the bravery to call out Muslims who believe in the Koran, but suddenly lack the courage when it comes to the Talmud. This is nuts.

Look at some in this discussion. They can't even entertain such a thought. They won't consider it. Israel is out bombing and killing unarmed civilians, and they're declaring it is justified, self defence and even righteous! I don't think even Hitler would have had such robust support from his Nazis in World War 2.

Well done to you for checking it out and at least considering.

 

[ZNP]

2 years ago, I would have agreed, but not anymore. The state of Israel is a kind of false religion - like an extreme form of Phariseeaism, or Zionism, although Satanism is probably closer to what those at the top actually practice (think Molech in the Old Testament). I will use "the state of Israel" to differentiate today's (false) Israel, from the real Israel - God's chosen nation in the Old Testament.

1) As a religion, the state of Israel does sit on many waters. It has dual citizens in countries all over the world.
2) The state of Israel (via its dual citizens) has controlling interests all over the place - US and Russia included. US troops are landing in Israel to assist it in a war of its creating (false flag terrorism). It certainly is a superpower.
3) Who do you think is behind Hollywood, Disney, all our fake news, pedophiles in government (Mossad and other secret services arrange this to blackmail/control powerful people)? The head of the snake rests in the state of Israel, via Mossad, which has a controlling stake in many intelligence organisations around the world.
4) Israel came before the church - even the real Israel was described as a prostitute in bible times.
5) I'm pretty sure the merchants of the world would be crying if the state of Israel ceased to be - usury is one of the things Jews are best known for, even so far back as the 1600s. The state of Israel has maintained the tradition, and again, has controlling interests via its agents in banks all over the place. Whether child/human trafficking, drugs, weapons, etc., the agents of the state of Israel have their fingers in many pies. The US is used as hired muscle for the state of Israel - its enforcer.

I have no time to debate these things, too much happening this weekend. Take it to the Lord in prayer and let each one be fully persuaded in their spirit.

 

[Moses_Young]

I have no time to debate these things, too much happening this weekend. Take it to the Lord in prayer and let each one be fully persuaded in their spirit.

No worries, and not really looking for debate - just like comparing different views. Like you say, with things like this, it should be left to the Lord (in my opinion). With time, the truth of a prophecy's interpretation will likely be clearer.

 

[ZNP]

No worries, and not really looking for debate - just like comparing different views. Like you say, with things like this, it should be left to the Lord (in my opinion). With time, the truth of a prophecy's interpretation will likely be clearer.

I also view the US as Ephraim in many of these prophecies. Essentially 50% of Jews live in Israel and 50% live in the US.

Ephraim was the younger son of Joseph. Read Jacob's blessing to Joseph, it was a double blessing for the scientists. The older son was Manasseh and the blessing moved to the US at the time of WW2 because the Jewish scientists moved to the US.

 

[Moses_Young]

I also view the US as Ephraim in many of these prophecies. Essentially 50% of Jews live in Israel and 50% live in the US.

Ephraim was the younger son of Joseph. Read Jacob's blessing to Joseph, it was a double blessing for the scientists. The older son was Manasseh and the blessing moved to the US at the time of WW2 because the Jewish scientists moved to the US.

What about lost tribes? Do you believe some of the tribes of Israel blended with the other peoples of the Earth? I think certain European nations certainly have a rich Christian history for saying they didn't.

 

[Needevidence]

2 years ago, I would have agreed, but not anymore. The state of Israel is a kind of false religion - like an extreme form of Phariseeaism, or Zionism, although Satanism is probably closer to what those at the top actually practice (think Molech in the Old Testament). I will use "the state of Israel" to differentiate today's (false) Israel, from the real Israel - God's chosen nation in the Old Testament.

1) As a religion, the state of Israel does sit on many waters. It has dual citizens in countries all over the world.
2) The state of Israel (via its dual citizens) has controlling interests all over the place - US and Russia included. US troops are landing in Israel to assist it in a war of its creating (false flag terrorism). It certainly is a superpower.
3) Who do you think is behind Hollywood, Disney, all our fake news, pedophiles in government (Mossad and other secret services arrange this to blackmail/control powerful people)? The head of the snake rests in the state of Israel, via Mossad, which has a controlling stake in many intelligence organisations around the world.
4) Israel came before the church - even the real Israel was described as a prostitute in bible times.
5) I'm pretty sure the merchants of the world would be crying if the state of Israel ceased to be - usury is one of the things Jews are best known for, even so far back as the 1600s. The state of Israel has maintained the tradition, and again, has controlling interests via its agents in banks all over the place. Whether child/human trafficking, drugs, weapons, etc., the agents of the state of Israel have their fingers in many pies. The US is used as hired muscle for the state of Israel - its enforcer.

Yes, Yes, Yes to all - The Rothschilds - even backed different parties in the Napoleonic war - one brother financed Britian and another brother France - that’s how much money and power they have and when they noted one side losing - they withdrew further funds to France and they lost the war. There is so much more on how they manipulate shares up/down to make massive amounts of money

 

[Moses_Young]

Yes, Yes, Yes to all - The Rothschilds - even backed different parties in the Napoleonic war - one brother financed Britian and another brother France - that’s how much money and power they have and when they noted one side losing - they withdrew further funds to France and they lost the war. There is so much more on how they manipulate shares up/down to make massive amounts of money

Not really provable, but apparently, Satan appeared to one of the first Rothschilds, and gave him the same empty promise he gave Jesus (basically promised him the world if he would worship Satan). Only where Jesus rejected Satan's empty words, Rothschild agreed. It wouldn't surprise me.