Israel Declares War
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I think that's a bit of a tricky statement.
1.) In the last couple millennia we haven't seen peace between Arab nations and Israel, because there hasn't been an Israel... there's only been an Israel for a short time. And in that short time there's always been animosity and war.
2.) In ancient times the relationship between Israel and the descendants of Ishmael was usually pretty bad.
(Remember the whole deal with Joshua and the nations inhabitting the promised land.)
3.) They did get along with a few of their neighbors, at times, but not sure those were even Ishmaelites.
(They had peace with Lebanon under Solomon, but Lebanon was north of Israel, and the people of that region were Phoenicians.)
Conclusion:
a.) I think we can easily claim there have been times when certain Arabs got along with certain Jews.
b.) It might be harder to say the actual nation of Israel had a lot peace with nations that descended from Ishmael.
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1.) In the last couple millennia we haven't seen peace between Arab nations and Israel, because there hasn't been an Israel... there's only been an Israel for a short time. And in that short time there's always been animosity and war.
2.) In ancient times the relationship between Israel and the descendants of Ishmael was usually pretty bad.
(Remember the whole deal with Joshua and the nations inhabitting the promised land.)
3.) They did get along with a few of their neighbors, at times, but not sure those were even Ishmaelites.
(They had peace with Lebanon under Solomon, but Lebanon was north of Israel, and the people of that region were Phoenicians.)
Conclusion:
a.) I think we can easily claim there have been times when certain Arabs got along with certain Jews.
b.) It might be harder to say the actual nation of Israel had a lot peace with nations that descended from Ishmael.
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That's right. The mystery of the Church, the Body. Not fully revealed in the OT per Eph 3:9.
This present Church age starts at Pentecost and ends at the rapture (....the "UNTIL"....) of Romans 11:25.
THEN this blindness to the identity of Christ is lifted and He is revealed to Israel. And THEN the millennial reign begins.
And you thought the mystery was all about kicking Israel to the curb?
This present Church age starts at Pentecost and ends at the rapture (....the "UNTIL"....) of Romans 11:25.
THEN this blindness to the identity of Christ is lifted and He is revealed to Israel. And THEN the millennial reign begins.
And you thought the mystery was all about kicking Israel to the curb?
Your denial is impressive.
If you want to stay in denial and delusion, that is your choice, the public records shows otherwise and the reasons for lack of peace in the area is also important but you prefer your over simplified, Israel without fault narrative.
Unfortunately, if you really cared about Israel as you claim you do, you would not be cheering for their demise which is exactly what dispensationalist ideology does.
It is quite tragic.
If you want to stay in denial and delusion, that is your choice, the public records shows otherwise and the reasons for lack of peace in the area is also important but you prefer your over simplified, Israel without fault narrative.
Unfortunately, if you really cared about Israel as you claim you do, you would not be cheering for their demise which is exactly what dispensationalist ideology does.
It is quite tragic.
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Are you back again, lol.
Yeah I'll deal with you tomorrow, maybe!!
Yeah I'll deal with you tomorrow, maybe!!
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I can remember clear as day talking with people in the mid 90s, about end times and rapture.
They were mature in the faith, and always said the key was to keep your eyes on Turkey.
As long as Turkey was friendly with Israel, and had a strong secular government, the end wasn’t coming. And Turkey for many years had a good relationship with the West in general, and Israel specifically. Well, no more.
With so many pieces in place now, I can’t even think of one that isn’t. Turkey may indeed turn out to be the last piece.
JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response
They were mature in the faith, and always said the key was to keep your eyes on Turkey.
As long as Turkey was friendly with Israel, and had a strong secular government, the end wasn’t coming. And Turkey for many years had a good relationship with the West in general, and Israel specifically. Well, no more.
With so many pieces in place now, I can’t even think of one that isn’t. Turkey may indeed turn out to be the last piece.
JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response
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Abraham Accords:
The Abraham Accords were certainly a thing, but:
1.) They represented a very small percentage of the Arab nations.
2.) They didn't generate any "love" in the Arab world... just some "tolerance" in a couple of places, which was always tenuous.
3.) There's no historical reason to think any peace agreements are going to enjoy any longevity.
4.) And regarding Israel having peace with descendants of Ishmael: there is a lOT of controversy about which Arabs, and what percentage of them, are genuinely descendants of Ishmael in the first place.
(Muslims claim all Arabs are descended from Ishmael, but historians and scholars don't agree... so there's that.)
So yes, there were peace accords, limited, in only a few places, for a short time, and tenuous.... but peace accords.
Real Issue at Hand - Arabs in Current Conflict:
1.)The real issue at hand is not an issue of just any Arabs anywhere, but the PARTICULAR Arabs in conflict with Israel, and those supporting them.
2.) Doesn't look promising: when polled, around 60%-70% of palestinians usually say they support Hamas.
3.) Problem is more than just Hamas: there were at least 7 different jihadist groups participating in the recent attack on Israel.
4.) Problem with the jihadist supporters: As we all know, Iran and other Arab nations support the jihadists in palestine, and are doing everything to escalate the conflict into a much larger war with Israel.
5.) The other Arab countries WANT this conflict, and WANT the palestinians to fight, like cannon fodder, till everyone is destroyed.
(This is why NO ARAB NATION WILL TAKE PALESTINIAN IMMIGRANTS. Their Arab brothers are keeping them bottled up there, so they have no choice but to act as a proxy, and fight against Israel. Their Arab brothers are using them as cannon fodder, just using them up as a disposable proxy to die fighting Israel... and they don't care in the least.)
6.) The current DESIRE of the jihadis and many palestinians is NOT to seek peace, or liberation, or some kind of improvement in their lives... what they DESIRE is to take ALL OF THE LAND, DRIVE EVERY ISRAELITE OUT, and KILL JEWS. It's impossible to make peace with someone who wants no peace.
Conclusion:
A.) If we consider all the points above, I simply cannot see any earthly way, any human way, to achieve any peace in Palestine.
B.) If we want to talk about a "divine way" forward... then we're back to debates on eschatology.
Cameron, I always enjoy your posts.
Hope you have a great Lord's Day tomorrow, and a great weekend.
God Bless Brother.
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The Abraham Accords were certainly a thing, but:
1.) They represented a very small percentage of the Arab nations.
2.) They didn't generate any "love" in the Arab world... just some "tolerance" in a couple of places, which was always tenuous.
3.) There's no historical reason to think any peace agreements are going to enjoy any longevity.
4.) And regarding Israel having peace with descendants of Ishmael: there is a lOT of controversy about which Arabs, and what percentage of them, are genuinely descendants of Ishmael in the first place.
(Muslims claim all Arabs are descended from Ishmael, but historians and scholars don't agree... so there's that.)
So yes, there were peace accords, limited, in only a few places, for a short time, and tenuous.... but peace accords.
Real Issue at Hand - Arabs in Current Conflict:
1.)The real issue at hand is not an issue of just any Arabs anywhere, but the PARTICULAR Arabs in conflict with Israel, and those supporting them.
2.) Doesn't look promising: when polled, around 60%-70% of palestinians usually say they support Hamas.
3.) Problem is more than just Hamas: there were at least 7 different jihadist groups participating in the recent attack on Israel.
4.) Problem with the jihadist supporters: As we all know, Iran and other Arab nations support the jihadists in palestine, and are doing everything to escalate the conflict into a much larger war with Israel.
5.) The other Arab countries WANT this conflict, and WANT the palestinians to fight, like cannon fodder, till everyone is destroyed.
(This is why NO ARAB NATION WILL TAKE PALESTINIAN IMMIGRANTS. Their Arab brothers are keeping them bottled up there, so they have no choice but to act as a proxy, and fight against Israel. Their Arab brothers are using them as cannon fodder, just using them up as a disposable proxy to die fighting Israel... and they don't care in the least.)
6.) The current DESIRE of the jihadis and many palestinians is NOT to seek peace, or liberation, or some kind of improvement in their lives... what they DESIRE is to take ALL OF THE LAND, DRIVE EVERY ISRAELITE OUT, and KILL JEWS. It's impossible to make peace with someone who wants no peace.
Conclusion:
A.) If we consider all the points above, I simply cannot see any earthly way, any human way, to achieve any peace in Palestine.
B.) If we want to talk about a "divine way" forward... then we're back to debates on eschatology.
Cameron, I always enjoy your posts.
Hope you have a great Lord's Day tomorrow, and a great weekend.
God Bless Brother.
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