Israel Declares War

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Nehemiah6

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I do believe that Hammas and Israel are equally guilty of the same offenses.
Utter rubbish. How can they be "equally guilty"?

Does Israel have an agenda to terrorize all non-Jews worldwide, kill them , behead them, and commit all kinds of atrocities against those who have not harmed them? Do Islamist radicals have an agenda of terrorism which has been perpetrated for years? Long before 9/11, Islamists were attacking "the Great Satan", and everyone else who was not a Muslim.

BTW, the correct spelling is HAMAS.
 

iamsoandso

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Of course this is relevant to someone who is "anti conscription". You don't have a conscription unless you need it. So anyone who is anti conscription is against being required to help defend the country when needed. Nor is this hypothetical since Biden is already talking about a draft and many young people are already being very vocal about refusing to be drafted.

So everyone is talking about a draft/conscription because of the AI generated clip where Biden was talking about a draft?
 

Magenta

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Utter rubbish. How can they be "equally guilty"?

Does Israel have an agenda to terrorize all non-Jews worldwide, kill them , behead them, and commit all kinds of atrocities against those who have not harmed them? Do Islamist radicals have an agenda of terrorism which has been perpetrated for years? Long before 9/11, Islamists were attacking "the Great Satan", and everyone else who was not a Muslim.

BTW, the correct spelling is HAMAS.
With more than 100 verses in the Koran explicitly instructing the Islamist follower of Mohammad (who was
himself a war-mongering adulterous pedophile and murderer, the source of the Koran, and the hero of Islam)
to kill any and all who refuse to submit, especially the Jew and Christian (people of the Book) and also the
infidel (one who by choice leaves the faith, though Islam claims there is no compulsion in their religion), it
should not really surprise any that Hamas behaves as it does... nor will they stop any time soon or in future.
 

cv5

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Israel will once again become God's chosen people when He gathers them back: but today it is not under Netantahu
It's a work in progress. Ezekiel 37 dry bones is happening in real time. The necessary re-animation by the Spirit of Life shall follow shorty.

Much to the chagrin of @tobewholeagain that much is certain.
 

cv5

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With more than 100 verses in the Koran explicitly instructing the Islamist follower of Mohammad (who was
himself a war-mongering adulterous pedophile and murderer, the source of the Koran, and the hero of Islam)
to kill any and all who refuse to submit, especially the Jew and Christian (people of the Book) and also the
infidel (one who by choice leaves the faith, though Islam claims there is no compulsion in their religion), it
should not really surprise any that Hamas behaves as it does... nor will they stop any time soon or in future.
Given the fact that the AC/Satan-man will be promising to destroy Israel, one can only expect certain factions eagerly offering support. With an extinction level judgement event being rendered against this cohort following. And then the "goats judgement" for any remaining holdouts.

The only way out for them is the Gibeonites protocol. Obviously.
 

Nehemiah6

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it should not really surprise any that Hamas behaves as it does and nor will they stop.
You are absolutely right. But Western ignorance, arrogance, and stupidity has kept most people in the dark about the goal of the Koran (which was always there to also oppose the Gospel).

How is it that the so-called Ivy League students are so stupid that they are actually cheering for the Islamists? But then again why were Muslim migrants allowed to flood the West and establish their thousands of mosques which are teaching hatred? No Muslim country allows Christians to establish churches. Rather Christians are persecuted in those lands.

So once again we see the ignorance and stupidity of Western leaders, who were too arrogant to pay attention to what Ayatollah Khomeini had said decades ago. How is it that Muslims are allowed to be members of Congress? Will a Muslim ever defend the Constitution of the United States? Would a Christian be allowed to become a part of a Muslim government? How come these hard questions are not being asked and answered properly?
 

Adelia

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Israel will once again become God's chosen people when He gathers them back: but today it is not under Netantahu[/QUOTE
With more than 100 verses in the Koran explicitly instructing the Islamist follower of Mohammad (who was
himself a war-mongering adulterous pedophile and murderer, the source of the Koran, and the hero of Islam)
to kill any and all who refuse to submit, especially the Jew and Christian (people of the Book) and also the
infidel (one who by choice leaves the faith, though Islam claims there is no compulsion in their religion), it
should not really surprise any that Hamas behaves as it does... nor will they stop any time soon or in future.
The Koran is immaterial. I am well aware of what the Koran states and the atrocities Hamas has and is committing and never denied nor diminished that fact. I have reading capability to follow what Israel has done for years and is still doing under Netanyahu. I have studied Israel's history. So Koran aside; Nehemiah is insenced that I believe Israel holds culpability. Be that as it may be, it is my belief.
 

Adelia

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Please post correctly. I can see what you are doing as you often do. The Koran was immaterial to the conversation. When people only read to respond then the twisting starts. Elvis is not alive. People need to read to understand each other. If there is no understanding; there is no room for growth.
 

Magenta

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Please post correctly. I can see what you are doing as you often do. The Koran was immaterial to the conversation. When people only read to respond then the twisting starts. Elvis is not alive. People need to read to understand each other. If there is no understanding; there is no room for growth.
I responded to what Nehemiah said, and the Koran was germane to that. Your rudeness and ignorance does not excuse you.
 

HeIsHere

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Yes, most people who are in favor of targeting Hamas by blowing up and killing more children than Hamas terrorists and people in favor of an alternative plan to target Hamas in a more discriminate way feel terrible about this.

Isaiah 41:10
"So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. "

John 14:27
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
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HeIsHere

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Rather Christians are persecuted in those lands.
You are absolutely right. But Western ignorance, arrogance, and stupidity has kept most people in the dark about the goal of the Koran (which was always there to also oppose the Gospel).

How is it that the so-called Ivy League students are so stupid that they are actually cheering for the Islamists? But then again why were Muslim migrants allowed to flood the West and establish their thousands of mosques which are teaching hatred? No Muslim country allows Christians to establish churches. Rather Christians are persecuted in those lands.

So once again we see the ignorance and stupidity of Western leaders, who were too arrogant to pay attention to what Ayatollah Khomeini had said decades ago. How is it that Muslims are allowed to be members of Congress? Will a Muslim ever defend the Constitution of the United States? Would a Christian be allowed to become a part of a Muslim government? How come these hard questions are not being asked and answered properly?
Some other groups use subversive tactics, study up. We can see the effects right before our eyes.

And sometimes those other groups are just as anti- Christian but most Christians stay silent because John Hagee is in charge of what American Christians believe.

One bill introduced in the Knesset several months ago called for a one-year prison term for possessing, printing, importing and distributing literature containing "an inducement to religious conversion." This bold attack on freedom of speech was finally defeated by an outcry by Christian and government leaders from around the world including the secularists in Israel itself. Prime Minister Netanyahu wrote letters to concerned Christian leaders in the U.S. assuring them that the bill would never become law.

Now a new bill is being tried that would provide 3 years in prison or $13,000 fine for "preaching to change someone's religion." This one appears to have broader support in the Knesset and is said to even have Netanyahu's blessing. The Orthodox appear to have gained enough political clout to bring down Netanyahu's government if he seriously opposes them.


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HeIsHere

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Please post correctly. I can see what you are doing as you often do. The Koran was immaterial to the conversation. When people only read to respond then the twisting starts. Elvis is not alive. People need to read to understand each other. If there is no understanding; there is no room for growth.

Being informed on the geo-historical settler, colonial roots of the conflict is useless rhetoric I have been told.
 

HeIsHere

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You are absolutely right. But Western ignorance, arrogance, and stupidity has kept most people in the dark about the goal of the Koran (which was always there to also oppose the Gospel).

How is it that the so-called Ivy League students are so stupid that they are actually cheering for the Islamists? But then again why were Muslim migrants allowed to flood the West and establish their thousands of mosques which are teaching hatred? No Muslim country allows Christians to establish churches. Rather Christians are persecuted in those lands.

So once again we see the ignorance and stupidity of Western leaders, who were too arrogant to pay attention to what Ayatollah Khomeini had said decades ago. How is it that Muslims are allowed to be members of Congress? Will a Muslim ever defend the Constitution of the United States? Would a Christian be allowed to become a part of a Muslim government? How come these hard questions are not being asked and answered properly?

You live in a little bubble it seems and probably not had much interaction with society beyond your bubble these days.
Western culture is a powerful drug and the youth of Muslims will be corrupted to western values within 100 years.
 

Adelia

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You live in a little bubble it seems and probably not had much interaction with society beyond your bubble these days.
Western culture is a powerful drug and the youth of Muslims will be corrupted to western values within 100 years.
I suspect they will say it has already started. Some on each side have reached out to one another in hopes of coming to some understanding. Understanding may not come in whole but common ground is being sought after
 

HeIsHere

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when people rely on opinion, facts become an enemy is what I observe
It would be something if it was at least an opinion formed by one's own thought process, but most often it is the opinion of someone else that Christians have uncritically accepted and been inculcated in.

We can start with Palestine isn't an occupied state or oppressed state because the oppressor is not beholden to any law they can do as they please and not be held to account.
 

HeIsHere

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I suspect they will say it has already started. Some on each side have reached out to one another in hopes of coming to some understanding. Understanding may not come in whole but common ground is being sought after
Agree. I think most people, including Muslims, just want to live their lives.

Muslims are not interested in forcing conversion of other people, what they do not like is when of their own leaves their religion, but then that is true for Orthodox Jews as well.

As well Muslims are not monolithic in how intensely they practice their faith.
 

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More ridiculousness.

Let's continue this absurd justification, they do no not want a ceasefire because they want to seize this opportunity for as much destruction and death as possible.

You seriously need to understand what you are defending. It is truly tragic.