Israel Declares War

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ZNP

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Ridiculous on every level.

The Ammonites were descended from Lot and his daughter. Not some beyond silly sea creature.

Plus, you’re lying. Why would you post every verse but those from the whole chapter?

Because it doesn’t support your hatred of Jews. That’s why.
Perhaps you should try and put two and two together here.

To Be Whole Again has an extreme anti Israel / anti Jew view of the Bible and the world.

Perhaps there is a reason. I have heard that sometimes during the bris they will accidentally cut off a whole lot more than they were supposed to. Obviously he would not want to say that this is the issue, and I would never want to ask him this on a public forum, so just something to consider.
 

PennEd

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Again, I do not hate anyone, including the Jewish people
You hate them so much you purposefully omitted parts of God's Word to support your hatred.

You are free to hate. Just like I'm free to call you out every time on it.

Even your boys who may support you about the Israel/Gaza war, aint coming anywhere near this level of Scripture altering hatred.
 

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Georgia teacher accused of threatening to behead student over comment about Israeli flag

"You motherf*****g piece of s***! I'll kick your a**. I should cut your motherf*****g head off," that is what some witnesses say they heard Reese yelling at students on Friday.

But some still refuse to see hate isn't just one-way directed towards Israel? :unsure::unsure::unsure:

If only the 12-year-old kid would have just pledged allegiance to the Israeli flag he wouldn't have been verbally abused and threatened. :unsure::unsure::unsure:
 

Smoke

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Georgia teacher accused of threatening to behead student over comment about Israeli flag

"You motherf*****g piece of s***! I'll kick your a**. I should cut your motherf*****g head off," that is what some witnesses say they heard Reese yelling at students on Friday.

But some still refuse to see hate isn't just one-way directed towards Israel? :unsure::unsure::unsure:

If only the 12-year-old kid would have just pledged allegiance to the Israeli flag he wouldn't have been verbally abused and threatened. :unsure::unsure::unsure:
Just as people repeat the same garbage of "God gave the land to Israel, so they are free to kick Palestinians out of their privately owned homes and replace them with Israeli families", I'm sure many will think it's justifiable to abuse and threaten this kid over his comments about the Israeli flag. :rolleyes::cautious:
 

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Ammonites were marine animals belonging to the phylum Mollusca and the class Cephalopoda. They had a coiled external shell similar to that of the modern nautilus. In other living cephalopods, e.g. octopus, squid and cuttlefish, the shells are small and internal, or absent.
:ROFL:

Ammonites are described as being descendants of Ben-ammi, who was the
son of Lot (Abraham’s nephew) and Lot’s younger daughter as per
Genesis 19:38~

The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.

So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she
named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son,
and she named him Ben-Ammi[h]; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.
 
Each time omitting the verses that say it is the AMMONITES that will never rise again, not Israel.
Ok, now I include the passage~~~~
Ezekiel 21 King James Version (KJV)

21 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,
3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.
12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.
25 And thou,
profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
26 Thus saith the Lord God; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.
29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land;
thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the Lord have spoken it.
The Lord speaks & it shall be done~~~~~~~


Jewish population at lowest percentage since founding of Israel
Close to the establishment of the state, the Jewish percentage of the population stood at 82.1%, while today it stands at only 73.9%.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjduh72
Europe’s Jewish population down 60% since 1970, as low as it was 1,000 years ago
https://tinyurl.com/bdt8v2j9
Jewish Population on the Decline in America
https://tinyurl.com/2p95pr3p
World Jewish population drops by 300,000 to 12.9 million
https://tinyurl.com/n33erpbw

The verse left out--
20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.

Does this change the point I was making-=-?
no, nada, zip, zero; period​
 

PennEd

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Ok, now I include the passage~~~~
Ezekiel 21 King James Version (KJV)

21 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,
3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.
12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.
25 And thou,
profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
26 Thus saith the Lord God; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.
29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land;
thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the Lord have spoken it.
The Lord speaks & it shall be done~~~~~~~


Jewish population at lowest percentage since founding of Israel
Close to the establishment of the state, the Jewish percentage of the population stood at 82.1%, while today it stands at only 73.9%.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjduh72
Europe’s Jewish population down 60% since 1970, as low as it was 1,000 years ago
https://tinyurl.com/bdt8v2j9
Jewish Population on the Decline in America
https://tinyurl.com/2p95pr3p
World Jewish population drops by 300,000 to 12.9 million
https://tinyurl.com/n33erpbw

The verse left out--
20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.

Does this change the point I was making-=-?
no, nada, zip, zero; period​
Nope. You still slimily omitted the verses.
 

Gideon300

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You seem to be leaving out the "Hagannah" terrorists.
Haganah (Hebrew: הַהֲגָנָה ha-Haganah, lit. 'The Defense') was the main Zionist paramilitary organization that operated for the Yishuv in the British Mandate for Palestine. It was founded in 1920 to defend the Yishuv's presence in the region, and was formally disbanded in 1948, when it became the core force integrated into the Israel Defense Forces shortly after the Israeli Declaration of Independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

In short, the Hagannah terrorist group was transformed into the “IDF”. Israel Defense Force.
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I congratulate you on your long post. This must have taken you a long time to compose.
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Sure, and that was 75 years ago. The allies recruited former German soldiers to form the German army post WW2. Are you saying that the current German army is a hotbed of Nazism and a threat to world peace? Does a nation not have the right to self defence? You farted? Oh good. That's about the level of your dissertations on this subject.
 

cv5

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Booboyahoooo is committing genocide/ethnic cleansing right now.
DaYahooo’s goal is to exterminate the Palestinian people.


Aren’t you a little upset about this or are you smiling at the thought--?
just asking
:)-
Maybe he just wants the fusillades of rockets to stop? And it certainly wouldn't hurt to route out the terrorists from the epically massive purposefully constructed tunnel network. That exist solely to perpetrate terror attacks and to protect the entrenched terrorist mafia.
 

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True but he did keep his hard core antisemitism from the Catholic church. He tried to convert the Jews and when they refused he threw a temper tantrum and said some horrific things against them. As posted about he wrote a sermon that was hate filled.
I'm aware some claim Luther was anti-semitic, but also aware that many claim anything that is critical of Jewish culture is anti-semitic. The insult has been so overused, I don't trust it without more information anymore. I don't really believe anyone wanting the conversion of people of Jewish faith to a saving faith in Christ Jesus can be anti-semitic. To my understanding, Luther didn't call for the deaths or harm of Jewish people - rather for them to be kept separate so they didn't pollute the Christian culture with their lies. Hence, I don't believe he was anti-Semitic, anymore than someone who votes for Trump is necessarily a racist. I'm not an expert on Luther, but do know he was a key instrument in the Protestant reformation, and what he was saying could well have been reasonable during his time and place in history.

I'm not saying it would work today in the West (for Judaism or Islam, at least), as the culture has already largely accepted these lies.

Ok, replace Jews with Mormons, or Catholics pick someone. Imagine this is your pastors sermon today, let's play pretend.

Mormons/JWS/ ... What we should do is "SET FIRE to their synagogues or schools" also their homes need to “be razed and destroyed" their. “prayer books , should be taken from them.”
“their priest/bishop [should] be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.”


Further "safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Catholics/Mormons/JWs,” and that “all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them.”

What they can do is "to have “a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade” put into their hands so they can “earn their bread in the sweat of their brow.”

So, your pretend pastor says to sum up;

(1) burn their schools and synagogues

(2) transfer them to community settlements

(3) confiscate all their literature

(4) prohibit them to teach on pain of death

(5) deny deny them safe-conduct, so as to prevent the spread of their beliefs

(6) appropriate their wealth and use it to support converts and to prevent the lewd practice of usury

(7) assign them to manual labor as a form of penance.

No let's close with "Oh How He Loves You and Me".
Interesting. Yeah, I'm not keen to start a holy war against Mormons or Catholics. But what about the Church of Satan? The sacrificing of children, the wickedness, and glorification of Satan that their church presents? How about Bill Gates and the WEF members pushing their "voluntary" mandatory vaxxines that people have to take to keep their jobs? Or even abortion clinics? I would say these are closer parallels for us today, as the Jews were in Luther's time.

I don't agree that a pastor wanting to route out the evils of Satanism, or Crony Capitalism/Communism/WEF Fascism, or abortion in the West would be the equivalent of a racist, although I accept that such speech in a sermon might put such a pastor on a terrorist watch list! :p
 

cv5

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Booboyahoooo is committing genocide/ethnic cleansing right now.
DaYahooo’s goal is to exterminate the Palestinian people.


Aren’t you a little upset about this or are you smiling at the thought--?
just asking
:)-
We do not know the ultimate fate of the "Palestinians". But we DO know the fate of Israel. God's firstborn.

Isa 45:17
But the LORD will save the people of Israel
with eternal salvation.
Throughout everlasting ages,

they will never again be humiliated and disgraced.

Yes, Pharoah was a very stark "type" of the AC.....who will ultimately fail to destroy Israel.

Exo 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Desiring the destruction of God's witnesses Israel is......Satanic. And has an evil purpose of course. That being to wreck God's plan of salvation for the world of men.

Isa 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 43:12
I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Isa 44:8
Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
 

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I'm aware some claim Luther was anti-semitic, but also aware that many claim anything that is critical of Jewish culture is anti-semitic.
The insult has been so overused, I don't trust it without more information anymore.
I don't there's any doubt Luther was anti- Semitic.

I don't really believe anyone wanting the conversion of people of Jewish faith to a saving faith in Christ Jesus can be anti-semitic.
Wanting and forcing are two different things. God doesn't recognize forced conversions. He sees a Christian forcing Jesus on a person rather than waiting on the Holy Spirit to move on a persons heart. Every Nazi split hell wide open. They didn't do what they did to convert anyone.

To my understanding, Luther didn't call for the deaths or harm of Jewish people - rather for them to be kept separate so they didn't pollute the Christian culture with their lies.
Well that's nonsense. I have Mormons and JVs come to my door, do they pollute me with their lies?? I've been here at CC for a long long time, we've had every crazy here with every wind of doctrine. Did I follow them? No. I traveled 20yrs in all different churches, did it change my beliefs? Not a bit. If you're so easy led and every win of doctrine blows you off course, that's your issue, not the Jews, JVs, Mormons or anyone else. That makes you weak minded. In the world, not of it. You go to work every day, you do things around non- Christians every day, do they sway you? Nonsense,you don't need to segregate yourself from non- Christians, you should be showing them the truth! There were all kinds of pagan beliefs that people believed in back then. Why would Jews be worse than the others? At least they believe in God.


Hence, I don't believe he was anti-Semitic, anymore than someone who votes for Trump is necessarily a racist.
Ugh! You made that move on the chessboard! Well then you force me to bring up all the Palestinians that are calling for the genocide of Jews protesting all over the country and saying they refuse to vote Biden this time round.

Biden said "
unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things.”

He referred to Barack Obama as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.”

“You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

Way back in 1977, he said that forced busing to desegregate schools would cause his children to “grow up in a racial jungle.”

Of course, he infamously worked with segregationist senators to oppose that mandatory busing, which decades later led to the strongest moment in Kamala Harris’s campaign for president, when she blasted him as having personally impacted her as a young girl.

Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t Black.”

Ok, you forced me to go there. Lets move on.



I'm not an expert on Luther, but do know he was a key instrument in the Protestant reformation, and what he was saying could well have been reasonable during his time and place in history.
Maybe you need to read what he said again.


Interesting. Yeah, I'm not keen to start a holy war against Mormons or Catholics. But what about the Church of Satan? The sacrificing of children, the wickedness, and glorification of Satan that their church presents? How about Bill Gates and the WEF members pushing their "voluntary" mandatory vaxxines that people have to take to keep their jobs? Or even abortion clinics? I would say these are closer parallels for us today, as the Jews were in Luther's time.
Ummm, who sacrificed children? Or glorified satan? I don't agree with abortion but I also don't believe you ought to separate them from society, take everything they own and their rights as a human being. Come on now.


I don't agree that a pastor wanting to route out the evils of Satanism, or Crony Capitalism/Communism/WEF Fascism, or abortion in the West would be the equivalent of a racist, although I accept that such speech in a sermon might put such a pastor on a terrorist watch list! :p
I don't see how any of those subjects would have anything to do with racism. When the Nazi's, who were supposedly German Christians, were asked about what they had done to the Jews they pointed to Luthers words. I'd say that's the greatest incitement of all. He was clearly a man who hated Jews.
 

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Ridiculous you say? No, but it is an accurate assessment.
If you want to redeem yourself, I ask you to correctly exegete these passages as it relates to Zech 12:10 and Hos 6:1-2 (and many other parallel passages).
That is if you are able.

Luk 2:25
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

Luk 2:26
And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

It is known as the "Simeon prophecy" BTW. Proof positive that Israel will doubtless exist/survive all the way to the end of the age, and THRU the 70th week future tribulation to see their Messiah. Of course you would need to first understand the first Simeon predicament of Genesis 42. As well as the other Simeons of Scripture.
End of the age is not synonymous with the end of time.

End of the age is the end of the Temple sacrifice system and the start of the New Temple system which is Jesus.
 

cv5

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End of the age is not synonymous with the end of time.

End of the age is the end of the Temple sacrifice system and the start of the New Temple system which is Jesus.
Wrong answer. Really, wrong everything. Questions and answers.
Why? Because you have no idea of what you are even talking about. Tragic.
 
Nope. You still slimily omitted the verses.
I was totally taken back when you used the term “slimily”.
I do not see the relevance unless it is a term you use often when you have nothing intelligent to say.
I ask you; Oh Wise One, what verses have I left out-?
P.S. if you do not remember, I understand, when one gets old and gray and can no longer get it up, it is your memory that fades first.
This I forgive you for.
:)-