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Dude653

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I know we've has a billion discussions on Israel but I was curious as to why we send them so much financial aid and why we support them so fervently.... this is a copy and paste of what someone told me.
Balaji Viswanathan, Have been studying US history for a decade.
Updated Dec 25 · Upvoted by Marc Bodnick, Former Stanford PhD student in Politics
Originally Answered: Why does the US provide so much foreign aid (roughly $2.5 billion per year) to Israel?
US provides economic and military aid to plenty of nations in the region. Israel's neighbors are also big recipients of US aid, as are terrorist ridden Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Why does US provide aid to Israel?

Managing Russian presence: It is not an accident that all the nations above that receive the most aid border Russian sphere of influence. Russia and and its allies (Iran and Syria) are deep into Middle East. To fight that, US arms Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Ukraine, Turkey, Jordan... Israel is the most capable power in the region to fight back a possible Russian expansion and thus receives the most American aid. Russia on its part arms Hizbollah, Hamas and other anti-Israeli militants. Cold war is still on. I will use an old map to illustrate this fact.

However, these days Israel looks to build more relationship with Russia and that is not good for the US - it needs to pull its ally back with more candies.
Boost domestic defense industry: 75% of US aid to Israel is spent on buying equipment from the US. This is sort of like your car dealer providing auto loan. Also arming Israel, would pressure its opponents to buy more from the US. US Senator Rand Paul set to visit Israel Gonzalez Not sell stuff to China and other US rivals. Israel has got sophisticated tech that China, Venezuela and others covet. However, if Israel sells them US position will be at threat. Thus, US asks Israel not to sell a lot to China. US acts over Israeli arms sales to China. When you tell them not to, you better compensate them with something else.
Intelligence sharing & War on Terror. Mossad is among the top 5 most powerful intelligence agencies. US relies a lot on them to get access to crucial information to fight the war on terror. Whether it is Iranian capture of American embassy or the Beirut bombing of US mission - Mossad was there to help. That help comes at a fee.
Arrow (Israeli missile) - US and Israel jointly develop an anti-ballistic missile defense system. 50% of it is paid by Israel and a lot of manpower is from Israel. This would be much more expensive for US to make without Israeli inputs and thus more than pays for US aid to Israel.
Military bases. US keeps 6 war reserve stocks in Israel. War reserve stock Israel is the safest place in the region to keep American missiles, bombers, equipment and hospital for the special forces. Those help come for a rent.
Aid US in managing the trade routes: Israel's position is very critical for US to quickly react to any threats to US position in the middle east. Israeli guards repel Somali pirate attack on cruise ship
Although draped in "friendship" and humanitarian assistanceship, US helps Israel primarily because, Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East. Here is what Washington lawmakers put on Israel: [note the word "asset"]
Israel: A Strategic Asset for the United States
 
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*gets out can opener*

Fresh worms. Get your worms here.
 

Adstar

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I know we've has a billion discussions on Israel but I was curious as to why we send them so much financial aid and why we support them so fervently.... this is a copy and paste of what someone told me.
Balaji Viswanathan, Have been studying US history for a decade.
Updated Dec 25 · Upvoted by Marc Bodnick, Former Stanford PhD student in Politics
Originally Answered: Why does the US provide so much foreign aid (roughly $2.5 billion per year) to Israel?
US provides economic and military aid to plenty of nations in the region. Israel's neighbors are also big recipients of US aid, as are terrorist ridden Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Why does US provide aid to Israel?

Managing Russian presence: It is not an accident that all the nations above that receive the most aid border Russian sphere of influence. Russia and and its allies (Iran and Syria) are deep into Middle East. To fight that, US arms Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Ukraine, Turkey, Jordan... Israel is the most capable power in the region to fight back a possible Russian expansion and thus receives the most American aid. Russia on its part arms Hizbollah, Hamas and other anti-Israeli militants. Cold war is still on. I will use an old map to illustrate this fact.

However, these days Israel looks to build more relationship with Russia and that is not good for the US - it needs to pull its ally back with more candies.
Boost domestic defense industry: 75% of US aid to Israel is spent on buying equipment from the US. This is sort of like your car dealer providing auto loan. Also arming Israel, would pressure its opponents to buy more from the US. US Senator Rand Paul set to visit Israel Gonzalez Not sell stuff to China and other US rivals. Israel has got sophisticated tech that China, Venezuela and others covet. However, if Israel sells them US position will be at threat. Thus, US asks Israel not to sell a lot to China. US acts over Israeli arms sales to China. When you tell them not to, you better compensate them with something else.
Intelligence sharing & War on Terror. Mossad is among the top 5 most powerful intelligence agencies. US relies a lot on them to get access to crucial information to fight the war on terror. Whether it is Iranian capture of American embassy or the Beirut bombing of US mission - Mossad was there to help. That help comes at a fee.
Arrow (Israeli missile) - US and Israel jointly develop an anti-ballistic missile defense system. 50% of it is paid by Israel and a lot of manpower is from Israel. This would be much more expensive for US to make without Israeli inputs and thus more than pays for US aid to Israel.
Military bases. US keeps 6 war reserve stocks in Israel. War reserve stock Israel is the safest place in the region to keep American missiles, bombers, equipment and hospital for the special forces. Those help come for a rent.
Aid US in managing the trade routes: Israel's position is very critical for US to quickly react to any threats to US position in the middle east. Israeli guards repel Somali pirate attack on cruise ship
Although draped in "friendship" and humanitarian assistanceship, US helps Israel primarily because, Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East. Here is what Washington lawmakers put on Israel: [note the word "asset"]
Israel: A Strategic Asset for the United States
There are multiple layers of conflict going on in the middle east and to try and make it all about big power rivalry is an over simplification the will lead to a wonky view of the situation.. The layers of conflict as as follows...

Great power rivalries..

Islamic vs Judaism rivalry

Sunni Islamic vs Shia Islamic war

Wahhabi and aligned versions of more devout islam conflict with other version of ""moderate" / compromising sunni islam..

Secular vs Islamic rivalty

Islamic vs all other religions persecutions.. (Christians Zoroastrians yazidies ect )
 

peacenik

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Dude,


I know we've has a billion discussions on Israel but I was curious as to why we send them so much financial aid and why we support them so fervently



The USA lives under the concept of disestablishment where there is strict separation of church and state. Under this concept the government cannot favor or give aid to any religious institution. Israel is a self acknowledged religious state. A state is an institution. Therefore, our government cannot legally give that country financial aid.
 

tanakh

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I know we've has a billion discussions on Israel but I was curious as to why we send them so much financial aid and why we support them so fervently.... this is a copy and paste of what someone told me.
Balaji Viswanathan, Have been studying US history for a decade.
Updated Dec 25 · Upvoted by Marc Bodnick, Former Stanford PhD student in Politics
Originally Answered: Why does the US provide so much foreign aid (roughly $2.5 billion per year) to Israel?
US provides economic and military aid to plenty of nations in the region. Israel's neighbors are also big recipients of US aid, as are terrorist ridden Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Why does US provide aid to Israel?

Managing Russian presence: It is not an accident that all the nations above that receive the most aid border Russian sphere of influence. Russia and and its allies (Iran and Syria) are deep into Middle East. To fight that, US arms Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Ukraine, Turkey, Jordan... Israel is the most capable power in the region to fight back a possible Russian expansion and thus receives the most American aid. Russia on its part arms Hizbollah, Hamas and other anti-Israeli militants. Cold war is still on. I will use an old map to illustrate this fact.

However, these days Israel looks to build more relationship with Russia and that is not good for the US - it needs to pull its ally back with more candies.
Boost domestic defense industry: 75% of US aid to Israel is spent on buying equipment from the US. This is sort of like your car dealer providing auto loan. Also arming Israel, would pressure its opponents to buy more from the US. US Senator Rand Paul set to visit Israel Gonzalez Not sell stuff to China and other US rivals. Israel has got sophisticated tech that China, Venezuela and others covet. However, if Israel sells them US position will be at threat. Thus, US asks Israel not to sell a lot to China. US acts over Israeli arms sales to China. When you tell them not to, you better compensate them with something else.
Intelligence sharing & War on Terror. Mossad is among the top 5 most powerful intelligence agencies. US relies a lot on them to get access to crucial information to fight the war on terror. Whether it is Iranian capture of American embassy or the Beirut bombing of US mission - Mossad was there to help. That help comes at a fee.
Arrow (Israeli missile) - US and Israel jointly develop an anti-ballistic missile defense system. 50% of it is paid by Israel and a lot of manpower is from Israel. This would be much more expensive for US to make without Israeli inputs and thus more than pays for US aid to Israel.
Military bases. US keeps 6 war reserve stocks in Israel. War reserve stock Israel is the safest place in the region to keep American missiles, bombers, equipment and hospital for the special forces. Those help come for a rent.
Aid US in managing the trade routes: Israel's position is very critical for US to quickly react to any threats to US position in the middle east. Israeli guards repel Somali pirate attack on cruise ship
Although draped in "friendship" and humanitarian assistanceship, US helps Israel primarily because, Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East. Here is what Washington lawmakers put on Israel: [note the word "asset"]
Israel: A Strategic Asset for the United States
If what you say is correct Israel is virtually a US Colony
 

JosephsDreams

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To boil this down into a the nexus of what is going on: The Israelis are on the side of God. We are still mostly a Christian country. Muslims are on the other team.
It's really that simple. It may make interesting conversation, but at the end of the day you don't need to complicate it.
 

cavil51

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"As America Has Done To Israel"
by John McTernan,
will answer your question.
Be Well,
cavil
 

Dude653

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To boil this down into a the nexus of what is going on: The Israelis are on the side of God. We are still mostly a Christian country. Muslims are on the other team.
It's really that simple. It may make interesting conversation, but at the end of the day you don't need to complicate it.
Uhhh..no. it's not that simple. We support them because they are a vital strategic Ally.
 

JosephsDreams

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Your mind is on things of this world with this subject.
I am looking at the spiritual.