It's Go Time, Trump Announces Run!

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Nehemiah6

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Out of curiosity what Is Donald Trumps platform?
He had an excellent platform back in 2016. But he sabotaged it and sabotaged himself.
BTW,Trump Is narcissistic and I seriously doubt If he would Ever apologise,Do you think It will hurt him?
If Trump were to publicly apologize and take full responsibility for all his blunders, he would gain a great deal of respect. But you are correct. He will not apologize and that will be his downfall.
I still think Desantis will run and the people will see Trump the way he really Is and not see him with rose colored glasses If he attacks Desantis's character.
Under no circumstances should Trump have attacked DeSantis. Instead, he should have praised him for all the positive things he has done as a conservative. Again Trump would have gained respect by praising DeSantis publicly, without necessarily referring to the presidential race.

Trump has lost his focus and compromised his beliefs. Chances are there will be a serious rejection of Trump. He needs an adviser who will tell him to wake up and do the smart thing. He has also failed to see that no matter how hard he runs, unless the election "machinery" in each and every state is cleaned up, there will be election fraud all over again and the Communists will remain in power.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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He had an excellent platform back in 2016. But he sabotaged it and sabotaged himself.
If Trump were to publicly apologize and take full responsibility for all his blunders, he would gain a great deal of respect. But you are correct. He will not apologize and that will be his downfall.
Under no circumstances should Trump have attacked DeSantis. Instead, he should have praised him for all the positive things he has done as a conservative. Again Trump would have gained respect by praising DeSantis publicly, without necessarily referring to the presidential race.

Trump has lost his focus and compromised his beliefs. Chances are there will be a serious rejection of Trump. He needs an adviser who will tell him to wake up and do the smart thing. He has also failed to see that no matter how hard he runs, unless the election "machinery" in each and every state is cleaned up, there will be election fraud all over again and the Communists will remain in power.



And there it is. I think Repubs have lost hope and faith in elections so they just stay home.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Why respond this way?I asked a question and you respond to a question with a question.That won’t help anyone to understand.😵‍💫

No seriously, if you listen to the SOTU he took Trumps platform and ran with it. I'm not trying to be facetious.
 

ZNP

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Proverbs 22:10 Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife; quarrels and insults are ended.

Trump was mocked for four years. If you don’t know what “the mocker” is just consider how the media, tech platforms and comedians treated Trump. You might think this is how comedians and the press treat all politicians. Really? There is a whole lot of material they could be using against Biden and Harris which they aren’t. I think many felt that Trump was the source, if you remove him from office we will get rid of strife, quarrels and insults. Well that didn’t happen, instead it has intensified by a factor of ten. Trump never suggested deprogramming 60 million Americans who voted for Hillary, many Democrats have done that. Trump never required the military to take a loyalty oath Biden is doing that. Trump never suggested quarantining an entire state, Biden did that. Trump never encouraged punishing a state for passing voting integrity laws, Biden did that. Biden is the one who left 15,000 Americans and 100,000 Afghanis behind for the Taliban, Trump never would have done that.
 
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unless the election "machinery" in each and every state is cleaned up, there will be election fraud all over again and the Communists will remain in power.
Why do you believe the election machinery needs to be cleaned up and do you have any suggestions?
 

ZNP

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Why do you believe the election machinery needs to be cleaned up and do you have any suggestions?
We have a thread in the conspiracy forum: NEW CC Perspectives on Levels of Conspiracy & Corruption in 2020 Election, CV19 & DS Existence it has gone into this question extensively.

Solution

1. Eliminate all machines. This will have a huge impact on cleaning up voting. This probably solves 80% of the problem.

2. Mail in ballots must be requested, no mass mailing of mail in ballots. That probably solves 5% of the problem.

3. Do a complete cleaning up of voter rolls eliminating people who have moved out of the state and who have died. That probably solves another 5%.

4. All politicians who received money from FTX must return it to those defrauded. This will severely crimp the fraudsters in the upcoming election probably cleaning up another 5%.

5. Prosecute election fraud. We know that Google, Twitter, and Youtube shadow banned conservatives in the last election. That needs to be prosecuted severely as both an unreported campaign contribution, also they need to return all money paid by sites as well as a hefty fine that were shadow banned, and anyone in the federal government that requested these sites be censored needs to lose their job, their pension and be hit with a hefty fine and/or community service. That should take care of the remaining 5%.
 

Nehemiah6

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Why do you believe the election machinery needs to be cleaned up and do you have any suggestions?
There is more than enough evidence that there was massive election fraud in 2020 as well as in 2022. The potential for election fraud rocketed up 1000% when the bogus pandemic allowed the Democrats to change the rules. Here is what needs to happen before elections are restored to being free and fair elections. But you and I know it will not happen.

1. An independent "Election Fraud Commission" must be established by Congress.

2. Even though elections are a state responsibility, fraud is a federal crime, therefore the states must not be allowed to interfere, and the FBI must be excluded also. This now becomes a law enforcement issue but under US Marshals (since the FBI has been corrupted).

3. The commission must have the power to override all illegal and unconstitutional arrangements and agreements made by states. They must be declared unconstitutional and illegal. No jurisdiction should be allowed to approve illegals as voters.

4. All voter rolls must be thoroughly scrutinized and cleaned out, so that only living citizens are on the rolls. This would include checking out the fraudulent IDs which have been issued to illegal migrants. Again this is a law enforcement issue.

5. Every genuine voter should receive a special voter ID after checking for citizenship, residence and age status. It should show citizenship, residence and age, and no one may vote without showing this ID (drivers' licenses must be excluded, since many fraudulent licenses have been issued). Anyone from outside the county or state must be automatically excluded.

6. All voting machines should be collected from all locations and completely destroyed.

7. All drop boxes for ballots should also be collected from all locations and destroyed.

8. Only paper ballots must be allowed, and must be hand counted. The Commission must take charge of all polling stations and set up proper arrangements to handle the influx of voters.

9. Advance voting should be limited to no more than two days. Election results should also be available within two days of voting.

10. Mail-in ballots must be tightly restricted to only those with proven extreme disabilities. The post office has become a part of election fraud machinery, and that is why very few mail-in ballots should be allowed.

11. Both parties must have equal access to polling stations to watch for illegal activity. That is why US marshals should oversee voting and elections.

12. Only US Marshals should be allowed to count the votes, since election fraud has been proven over and over again. This would mean increasing the numbers of marshals, and weeding out those who are corrupt.

All of this is "outside the box" and that is what is needed. What is most disturbing is that almost no one is focused on this key issue which is vital to maintain a democratic republic.
 
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What Is the difference between the popular vote and the electoral vote?

I was curious can a person win the popular vote and lose the election?

Is that right?
 

Cameron143

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What Is the difference between the popular vote and the electoral vote?

I was curious can a person win the popular vote and lose the election?

Is that right?
Yes, it is possible to win the popular vote and not the electoral vote. I think that was the case for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

The popular vote is the total number of votes cast. The electoral vote is the votes garnered from the individual state elections.
 

Mem

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The most populous states generally lean democrat. Kierkegaard observed, "the crowd is error." So, if we went by popular vote the nation would be run by California, New York City, and Chicago, where there is mass exodus from going to Ohio and turning it from red to purple.
 
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Yes, it is possible to win the popular vote and not the electoral vote. I think that was the case for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

The popular vote is the total number of votes cast. The electoral vote is the votes garnered from the individual state elections.
IYO should a person that wins the popular vote be elected president of the United States Of America?
 

Cameron143

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IYO should a person that wins the popular vote be elected president of the United States Of America?
No. I like the system we have. I wish it would be cleaned up so people could trust in elections again. And I wish the states would again assert their rights as prescribed by the Constitution. But we are a Republic, not a true democracy. And the electoral college forces national politicians to serve all the people in theory to get elected.
 

ZNP

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What Is the difference between the popular vote and the electoral vote?

I was curious can a person win the popular vote and lose the election?

Is that right?
If you are talking about the US, yes. The only votes that matter for President are Electoral college votes.
 

ZNP

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IYO should a person that wins the popular vote be elected president of the United States Of America?
The reason we have 50 United States is because of the Electoral college insuring that each State has a say. Some states will divide up the Electoral college votes so that it is not winner take all and the result is no president campaigns there and that state is irrelevant to their platform.

If this was done by popular vote the presidential candidates would only be concerned with the US coastline where 65% of Americans live.
 

ZNP

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I'll vote for him (I'd vote for anybody who's not a Democrat). Simple as that.
Wow, an optimist. Between WWIII and Civil War I am wondering if there will even be elections in two years or simply UN peace keepers.
 

ZNP

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This whole outrage over Don Lemon saying women are past their prime after 50 is taken out of context, he was talking about a Republican. I think we can all sympathize with Don thinking he could say anything he wanted about Republicans.
 

Nehemiah6

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What Is the difference between the popular vote and the electoral vote? I was curious can a person win the popular vote and lose the election? Is that right?
Correct. The electoral college actually undermines democracy, in that the will of the voters can be nullified by the electors. The system was set up originally because the Founding Fathers did not think that ordinary voters would have a good understanding of the candidates. But that was long before electronic communications. However, if the election "machinery" is not cleaned up, elections will simply be a farce, and the country will become Communist or Fascist. Brazil right now is a good example and so is Arizona.
 

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Correct. The electoral college actually undermines democracy, in that the will of the voters can be nullified by the electors. The system was set up originally because the Founding Fathers did not think that ordinary voters would have a good understanding of the candidates. But that was long before electronic communications. However, if the election "machinery" is not cleaned up, elections will simply be a farce, and the country will become Communist or Fascist. Brazil right now is a good example and so is Arizona.

"Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote."