Joe Biden is an answer to prayer.

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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seed_time_harvest said:
I’m trying to understand WHY out of all the republicans running for president many Christians are defending an unGODly man like trump.🤦‍♂️
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No one is defending the things he has done wrong. We just aren't calling things wrong that aren't.
And we are pointing out the hypocracies we see. For instance, Trump did have classified documents. But the authorities had already visited him and left the documents in his care and told him to put them under lock and key. He did. While they were there, they could have taken anything they wanted. But, instead, they left it. Why?
Trump was impeached twice. For what? The second one, he wasn't even in office. So why?
Trump colluding with the Russians was a lie? Why was that a narrative for so long?
What is Trump's true offense: has he truly broken the law? Or did he stand up against the corruption of the government and disrupt business as usual?
Doesn't it bother you that our corrupt government and those who run it are using their power to steal your money and take away your rights? Do you not understand how close we are to economic and military ruin?

Personally, I prefer DeSantis. But he isn't going to get the nomination. It will be Trump.
 
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Cameron143 said:
No one is defending the things he has done wrong. We just aren't calling things wrong that aren't.
And we are pointing out the hypocracies we see. For instance, Trump did have classified documents. But the authorities had already visited him and left the documents in his care and told him to put them under lock and key. He did. While they were there, they could have taken anything they wanted. But, instead, they left it. Why?
Trump was impeached twice. For what? The second one, he wasn't even in office. So why?
Trump colluding with the Russians was a lie? Why was that a narrative for so long?
What is Trump's true offense: has he truly broken the law? Or did he stand up against the corruption of the government and disrupt business as usual?
Doesn't it bother you that our corrupt government and those who run it are using their power to steal your money and take away your rights? Do you not understand how close we are to economic and military ruin?

Personally, I prefer DeSantis. But he isn't going to get the nomination. It will be Trump.
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Did you get this Information from a reliable source or Is this just opinionated wishful thinking?
 
Cameron143

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Did you get this Information from a reliable source or Is this just opinionated wishful thinking?
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I get information from a variety of sources. There are some I trust more than others. And like anyone else, I have personal prejudices and leanings. I'm very conservative. And I have a Christian worldview. This means that I want to conserve things. The founding of this nation was incredible. We should never have won our war for independence, except that God was found often to intervene. And many times since, He has been pleased to do so. But this nation has never been so much in need of a touch from God's hand.
All that I shared with you I believe. Not because I want it to be true, but because I've searched out the matter.
Consider this: you wanted Pence to be elected because you believe he is a Christian. Yet there are a whole lot of Christians here you ignore. What makes Pence a more credible witness than any other Christian?
 
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I get information from a variety of sources. There are some I trust more than others. And like anyone else, I have personal prejudices and leanings. I'm very conservative. And I have a Christian worldview. This means that I want to conserve things. The founding of this nation was incredible. We should never have won our war for independence, except that God was found often to intervene. And many times since, He has been pleased to do so. But this nation has never been so much in need of a touch from God's hand.
All that I shared with you I believe. Not because I want it to be true, but because I've searched out the matter.
Consider this: you wanted Pence to be elected because you believe he is a Christian. Yet there are a whole lot of Christians here you ignore. What makes Pence a more credible witness than any other Christian?
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IMO a lot of people responding to my post believe In Trump and I find that believing In an unGODly man gives me reason to wonder “why”?I believed In Pence because he Is the Christian that was running.

All that I shared with you I believe. Not because I want it to be true, but because I've searched out the matter..
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Do you believe Trump showed top secret documents to unauthorized people as the audio source evidenced him talking on that recorded tape?
Click—-> Trump In possession of classified documents showing them to unauthorized personal<—-Click
 
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IMO a lot of people responding to my post believe In Trump and I find that believing In an unGODly man gives me reason to wonder “why”?I believed In Pence because he Is the Christian that was running.


Do you believe Trump showed top secret documents to unauthorized people as the audio source evidenced him talking on that recorded tape?
Click—-> Trump In possession of classified documents showing them to unauthorized personal<—-Click
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Yes he did. It was stupid. But he was showing that people who had received the same intelligence were lying and saying the opposite. That's very different than selling secrets or influence. But you should be honest, too. You don't know who Pence really is. And whatever flaws you see in Trump you magnify because of your distaste for him. You think he's guilty before going to trial. And you think that he can actually get a fair trial. In the current case in NY, the judge pronounced him guilty before the trial started. He said in court that he wasnt there to listen to the witnesses. He'll be found guilty. But it will all be overturned on appeal. But that's not the point. That's just a bonus. They want the conviction so they can get enough people like you to either not vote, or vote for someone else. And I think it's sad that people can be so easily manipulated.
 
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Man I really,really dread going through another year of hearing the names Biden,Trump,,,ect ect.ect. and watching everyone try to post stuff that convinces us that any of these goofballs are actually some sort of super heroes....
 
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Yes he did. It was stupid. But he was showing that people who had received the same intelligence were lying and saying the opposite. That's very different than selling secrets or influence. But you should be honest, too. You don't know who Pence really is. And whatever flaws you see in Trump you magnify because of your distaste for him. You think he's guilty before going to trial. And you think that he can actually get a fair trial. In the current case in NY, the judge pronounced him guilty before the trial started. He said in court that he wasnt there to listen to the witnesses. He'll be found guilty. But it will all be overturned on appeal. But that's not the point. That's just a bonus. They want the conviction so they can get enough people like you to either not vote, or vote for someone else. And I think it's sad that people can be so easily manipulated.
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I don’t really know who Trump Is either but I’m happy to see you acknowledge the truth because If they try him and use that tape,I don’t see how he can get around that because no one should be above the law.Biden and others had secret documents also BUT they gave them back.Trump did not want to give them back.If all this Is overturned on appeal It IMO Is because that judge Is biased against trump and IMO already against Trump not that the appeal Is overturned because of evidence proving that Trump Is Innocent though.
 
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iamsoandso said:
Man I really,really dread going through another year of hearing the names Biden,Trump,,,ect ect.ect. and watching everyone try to post stuff that convinces us that any of these goofballs are actually some sort of super heroes....
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Yep,IMO
One Is TOO old and one Is TOO crazy.
 
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