Joshua Harris Leaving His Wife and His Faith :(

[Magenta]

So if a young person upon hearing the Gospel initially rejects it and then 30 years later in their middle age they then come to accept the Way of salvation of Jesus, they would be wasting their time, according to you if their former rejection of the Gospel was equal to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit..

There have been many people who have resisted the Gospel message for most of their lives only to finally come to accept the truth in their older age, many on their very death bed.. Are all these people condemned for resisting the Gospel most of their lives? I believe the offer of Mercy that God is offering via the Atonement of Jesus is always on offer to us as long as we live.. Where there is still life there is still hope as far as i believe..

Now of course if someone has blasphemed the Holy Spirit according to what i believe the scriptures describe it, then then they have no hope no matter how long they live..

Paul called himself a blasphemer...

 

[Adstar]

Does the Bible say OSAS Is not true ,remember GOD Is not the author of confusion and HE Inspired men to write the Bible so ,the scriptures you might use have to harmonize with the scriptures I might use or there Is error,

I responded to the scripture you quoted by interpeting it.. So the difference is between your interpretation of it's meaning and what i believe it means.. Confusion is not in scripture.. Confusion comes in the faulty interpretations of scripture.. The Holy Spirit is the only Assured source of Inspiration to accuratly interpret scripture.. No amount of human mind based Bible study or seminary / religous colledge docterates will lead anyone to know the Way of Salvation if the Holy Spirit is not causing one to understand..

The following passage clearly state that some after escaping the "'pollution's of the world by the knowledge of the LORD and Savior Jesus Christ"" have again been entangled in the world.. These are likened to a dog that has returned again to their own vomit .. Peter clearly states ""It is happened unto them"" What has happened? They once being saved have abandoned the Way of salvation and have returned like dogs to their own vomit and as a pig wallowing in it's own excrement..

2 Peter 2: KJV
17 "These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. {18} For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. {19} While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. {20} For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. {21} For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. {22} But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."

 

[Adstar]

Paul called himself a blasphemer...

Yes Paul is a great example of a person who initially rejected the Way of salvation and went out with violence to kill those who had accepted the Way of salvation.. But in the end He turned from His rejection and was saved..

But clearly Paul did not blaspheme the Holy Spirit as the scribes from Jerusalem had done.. He was probably guilty of blaspheming Jesus but that is a forgivable sin..

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Paul was Ignorant but the pharisees were not.

 

[Magenta]

Yes Paul is a great example of a person who initially rejected the Way of salvation and went out with violence to kill those who had accepted the Way of salvation.. But in the end He turned from His rejection and was saved..

But clearly Paul did not blaspheme the Holy Spirit as the scribes from Jerusalem had done.. He was probably guilty of blaspheming Jesus but that is a forgivable sin..

I would think Paul would know what blasphemy is, and he did not give any caveats or disclaimers to minimize his being a blasphemer. Conversely, if he cannot be trusted to accurately portray himself in relation to blasphemy, how can we trust anything else he says?

 

[Adstar]

I would think Paul would know what blasphemy is, and he did not give any caveats or disclaimers to minimize his being a blasphemer. Conversely, if he cannot be trusted to accurately portray himself in relation to blasphemy, how can we trust anything else he says?

I do not dispute that Paul was guilty of blasphemy.. But it was not against the Holy Spirit.. Jesus said::

Mark 3: KJV
28 "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: {29} But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: {30} Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."

So Paul was a blasphemer who blasphemed against Jesus and maybe the Father too? But clearly He never Blasphemed the Holy Spirit, Because if he had done such a thing he would have been doomed to the eternal lake of fire..

So I believe Paul did accurately confess his own sin of blasphemy, but it was not the kind of blasphemy that never has forgiveness..

 

[Magenta]

I do not dispute that Paul was guilty of blasphemy.. But it was not against the Holy Spirit.. Jesus said::

Mark 3: KJV
28 "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: {29} But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: {30} Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."

So Paul was a blasphemer who blasphemed against Jesus and maybe the Father too? But clearly He never Blasphemed the Holy Spirit, Because if he had done such a thing he would have been doomed to the eternal lake of fire..

So I believe Paul did accurately confess his own sin of blasphemy, but it was not the kind of blasphemy that never has forgiveness..

Thank you for that, Adstar I learned something new today!

I also followed up your explanation by reading this, which fleshed it out some more. Thanks again

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I don't think people understand why blasphemy against JESUS was forgiven but not against the HOLY SPIRIT.

JESUS was fully GOD but also HE was fully man and when a person blasphemes according to the flesh/mind It's usually out of anger but when a person blasphemes at the heart level they could care less and would not even be angry because they have went over what they think about GOD over and over until they don't believe In GOD.

 

[Knohope]

Sounds like a lodgical argument but you are not thinking right ( not being an arrogant pig towards you but i need to state what i believe).

No sin is forgiven unless one aknowledges that sin is a trangeression against God and also one trusts in the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

So any sin no matter how minor or how few will see the person condemned to the eternal lake of fire.. But we know all these sins are forgivable if one repents and accepts Jesus as their Redeemer..

But Jesus proclaimed that the particular sin of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit Would NEVER be forgiven in this world or the next.. So while other sin can and for us are forgiven by the Atonement of Jesus.. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven Ever..

Mark 3: KJV
28 "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: {29} But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: {30} Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."

The ones who had blasphemed the Holy Spirit where the scribes that came to Jesus and accused Him of doing His miracles by the power of an evil spirit

Mark 3: KJV
22 "¶ And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils."

The scribes had accused the Holy Spirit of being Beelzebub and thus they had blasphemed the Holy Spirit..

Help me I'm afraid I once said the hs is evil when I was mad/in agrument... am I forever doomedSome said yes....been getting a lot of panic attacks