Let's get this over with POLL - TRUMP or CLINTON?

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This will be a NATIONAL election - for YOUR country., your way of life. Choose.

  • I vote for Donald Trump - by casting this vote, I'm affirming I believe he will make my country bett

    Votes: 40 81.6%
  • I vote for Hillary Clinton - by casting this vote, I'm affirming I believe she will make my country

    Votes: 9 18.4%

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shrimp

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Neither. I'll be voting third party if it comes down to Trump vs Hillary
 

p_rehbein

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lol NO!

"by casting this vote, I'm affirming I believe he will make my country better."

If the bold was not part of the option choices I probably would vote. I still think it was an innocent troll job to add that. lol

I dread the day I have to make a decision between Hillary or Trump. I could always vote someone else but I know it would ultimately be a fruitless vote.
Not voting for Trump OR Hillary is NOT a "fruitless" vote. Jesus Himself said we shall be known by our "fruits." Known by our "works." In my opinion WHO we vote for is a "fruit" and/or "work" that we will answer for.

The "lesser" of two evils is STILL evil.
 

T_Laurich

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Not voting for Trump OR Hillary is NOT a "fruitless" vote. Jesus Himself said we shall be known by our "fruits." Known by our "works." In my opinion WHO we vote for is a "fruit" and/or "work" that we will answer for.

The "lesser" of two evils is STILL evil.
Agreed if someone said your vote is between Hitler or Stalin I think many would agree that not voting for either is a very good decision.
I just think it's funny people only understand this after it has happened.
 

p_rehbein

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NEW POLL AMONG WISCONSIN VOTERS:

Hillary vs. Trump: She wins 47% to 37%

Hillary vs. Cruz: Tied 44% to 44%

Hillary vs. Kasich: He wins 48% to 39%


uh, er, are the Repubs backing the WRONG TWO people?

Hmm........... :)
 
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NEW POLL AMONG WISCONSIN VOTERS:

Hillary vs. Trump: She wins 47% to 37%

Hillary vs. Cruz: Tied 44% to 44%

Hillary vs. Kasich: He wins 48% to 39%


uh, er, are the Repubs backing the WRONG TWO people?

Hmm........... :)
Who do you mean when you say Repubs? The People or the Establishment?
 
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ramx2016

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Please vote for this precious saint of a woman...

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p_rehbein

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Who do you mean when you say Repubs? The People or the Establishment?
Hmm.........I don't think the Establishment are supporting Trump.......and only now are SOME of them moving to support Cruz just to deny Trump the Nomination.

Either way.........IF THE REASON to Nominate someone is to defeat Hillary, why aren't ALL Repubs supporting Kasich?
 
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jennymae

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Hmm.........I don't think the Establishment are supporting Trump.......and only now are SOME of them moving to support Cruz just to deny Trump the Nomination.

Either way.........IF THE REASON to Nominate someone is to defeat Hillary, why aren't ALL Repubs supporting Kasich?
Because they want her to win. Some of them believes that a Hillary win will secure a GOP win in 2020. Then there's the folks believing that the Democrats not will win their third consecutive period no matter who is running for the GOP.
 

penknight

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I don't plan to vote either. Regardless of who wins won't the government still have a huge say of what goes in this country? (Not to outright diss government). Plus every campaign is pretty much the same song of a different brand. (Though I realize some of the former presidents may have put in an honest effort to improve the country). I think many people who don't vote are just tired of not getting what they were promised. It feels kinda like a game where the probability of losing is high no matter which side you pick, and yet people suppose you are obligated to play despite the ever-so-worsening state of the country which has continues to happen regardless of who was elected. Not too long ago my instructor informed me that the US had a 19 trillion dollar debt thar was steadily rising, and yet he was ready to vote, which kinda baffled me (not in a disrespectful way). Week after week he'd talk about an array things that would make you think that this man is knowledgeable to see the condition the country is in. One day though, he asked me who I was voting for, and I didn't want to be bombarded by the usual "why you should vote" speech everyone gives you (sorry I'm not trying diss anyone who does this, it would seem that you sincerely care about the country if you do) so I said that I might vote for bernie sanders (knowing absolutely nothing about this dude, I mentioned his name because I wanted my teacher to end the conversation due to the fact it bugs me when people try to win you over to the side of whoever their voting for and then say "it's your decision") After mentioning Bernie's my instructor pulled a Mr.Hyde on me, raising his voice almost to point of yelling mentioning how he did this and that, with his arms crossed and giving me a stern stare. I was kinda angry, because I didn't want to hear all of that, I just wanted him to do his job which was to teach the lesson (He's one of those people who feels he has to give you more than came for, there's nothing wrong with that, I'd just tell you that about him) Anyways, moments later he asked me if I knew who he was going to vote for (something, he was clearly eager to do. In hindsight when he asked me that question I should've said "Sir, you can vote for bozo the clown for I care, it doesn't matter to me." Just kidding) Reluctantly I asked "who?" to which he answered ted cruz, I think then he started talking about what ted cruz will do, and class (thankfully) started not too long after that. The next he brings it up I'm gonna him flatout that I don't plan to vote. Lots of people don't even how the election process works and yet there they are casting their vote, turning on whoever doesn't vote for who their voting for, or shaming people who choose not to take part in it at all (clearly not all voters have this mindset, but many do whether their willing to admit it or not.) From I've gathered all of the candidates have something bad going for them anyways, wouldn't dare trust any of them. Actually I was reading 2 peter 2:1-22, and it puts some of this into perspective. All I know is, that at the end of the day if I can't count on anyone else, I can count on Jesus. Surely I should be content with that.
 
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I don't plan to vote either. Regardless of who wins won't the government still have a huge say of what goes in this country? (Not to outright diss government). Plus every campaign is pretty much the same song of a different brand. (Though I realize some of the former presidents may have put in an honest effort to improve the country). I think many people who don't vote are just tired of not getting what they were promised. It feels kinda like a game where the probability of losing is high no matter which side you pick, and yet people suppose you are obligated to play despite the ever-so-worsening state of the country which has continues to happen regardless of who was elected. Not too long ago my instructor informed me that the US had a 19 trillion dollar debt thar was steadily rising, and yet he was ready to vote, which kinda baffled me (not in a disrespectful way). Week after week he'd talk about an array things that would make you think that this man is knowledgeable to see the condition the country is in. One day though, he asked me who I was voting for, and I didn't want to be bombarded by the usual "why you should vote" speech everyone gives you (sorry I'm not trying diss anyone who does this, it would seem that you sincerely care about the country if you do) so I said that I might vote for bernie sanders (knowing absolutely nothing about this dude, I mentioned his name because I wanted my teacher to end the conversation due to the fact it bugs me when people try to win you over to the side of whoever their voting for and then say "it's your decision") After mentioning Bernie's my instructor pulled a Mr.Hyde on me, raising his voice almost to point of yelling mentioning how he did this and that, with his arms crossed and giving me a stern stare. I was kinda angry, because I didn't want to hear all of that, I just wanted him to do his job which was to teach the lesson (He's one of those people who feels he has to give you more than came for, there's nothing wrong with that, I'd just tell you that about him) Anyways, moments later he asked me if I knew who he was going to vote for (something, he was clearly eager to do. In hindsight when he asked me that question I should've said "Sir, you can vote for bozo the clown for I care, it doesn't matter to me." Just kidding) Reluctantly I asked "who?" to which he answered ted cruz, I think then he started talking about what ted cruz will do, and class (thankfully) started not too long after that. The next he brings it up I'm gonna him flatout that I don't plan to vote. Lots of people don't even how the election process works and yet there they are casting their vote, turning on whoever doesn't vote for who their voting for, or shaming people who choose not to take part in it at all (clearly not all voters have this mindset, but many do whether their willing to admit it or not.) From I've gathered all of the candidates have something bad going for them anyways, wouldn't dare trust any of them. Actually I was reading 2 peter 2:1-22, and it puts some of this into perspective. All I know is, that at the end of the day if I can't count on anyone else, I can count on Jesus. Surely I should be content with that.
Bernie Sanders is an Excellent choice! But I urge you to listen to some interviews/speeches of his first to be informed. :)
 
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Hmm.........I don't think the Establishment are supporting Trump.......and only now are SOME of them moving to support Cruz just to deny Trump the Nomination.

Either way.........IF THE REASON to Nominate someone is to defeat Hillary, why aren't ALL Repubs supporting Kasich?
I'm supporting whoever runs against the beast.
 
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ramx2016

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Bernie Sanders is an Excellent choice! But I urge you to listen to some interviews/speeches of his first to be informed. :)
Agreed! He really is a true statesman!
 

penknight

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I know one thing though, if this country gets to the point where basic libraries are compromised (more than they already are) I'm moving to Canada, and I am dead serious.
 
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I don't plan to vote either. Regardless of who wins won't the government still have a huge say of what goes in this country? (Not to outright diss government). Plus every campaign is pretty much the same song of a different brand. (Though I realize some of the former presidents may have put in an honest effort to improve the country). I think many people who don't vote are just tired of not getting what they were promised. It feels kinda like a game where the probability of losing is high no matter which side you pick, and yet people suppose you are obligated to play despite the ever-so-worsening state of the country which has continues to happen regardless of who was elected. Not too long ago my instructor informed me that the US had a 19 trillion dollar debt thar was steadily rising, and yet he was ready to vote, which kinda baffled me (not in a disrespectful way). Week after week he'd talk about an array things that would make you think that this man is knowledgeable to see the condition the country is in. One day though, he asked me who I was voting for, and I didn't want to be bombarded by the usual "why you should vote" speech everyone gives you (sorry I'm not trying diss anyone who does this, it would seem that you sincerely care about the country if you do) so I said that I might vote for bernie sanders (knowing absolutely nothing about this dude, I mentioned his name because I wanted my teacher to end the conversation due to the fact it bugs me when people try to win you over to the side of whoever their voting for and then say "it's your decision") After mentioning Bernie's my instructor pulled a Mr.Hyde on me, raising his voice almost to point of yelling mentioning how he did this and that, with his arms crossed and giving me a stern stare. I was kinda angry, because I didn't want to hear all of that, I just wanted him to do his job which was to teach the lesson (He's one of those people who feels he has to give you more than came for, there's nothing wrong with that, I'd just tell you that about him) Anyways, moments later he asked me if I knew who he was going to vote for (something, he was clearly eager to do. In hindsight when he asked me that question I should've said "Sir, you can vote for bozo the clown for I care, it doesn't matter to me." Just kidding) Reluctantly I asked "who?" to which he answered ted cruz, I think then he started talking about what ted cruz will do, and class (thankfully) started not too long after that. The next he brings it up I'm gonna him flatout that I don't plan to vote. Lots of people don't even how the election process works and yet there they are casting their vote, turning on whoever doesn't vote for who their voting for, or shaming people who choose not to take part in it at all (clearly not all voters have this mindset, but many do whether their willing to admit it or not.) From I've gathered all of the candidates have something bad going for them anyways, wouldn't dare trust any of them. Actually I was reading 2 peter 2:1-22, and it puts some of this into perspective. All I know is, that at the end of the day if I can't count on anyone else, I can count on Jesus. Surely I should be content with that.
It is your responsibility to be part of the country you live in. Educate yourself on their platform and how the USA will fare with them as a leader. It is YOUR responsibility to VOTE.
 
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It is your responsibility to be part of the country you live in. Educate yourself on their platform and how the USA will fare with them as a leader. It is YOUR responsibility to VOTE.
I disagree.

It's a right and a privilege, but not a duty or obligation.
 
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Bernie Sanders is an Excellent choice! But I urge you to listen to some interviews/speeches of his first to be informed. :)
due to the fact it bugs me when people try to win you over to the side of whoever their voting for
I guess you didnt see THIS! Dont cram your poor choice down his throat !!
 
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I disagree.

It's a right and a privilege, but not a duty or obligation.
I respectfully disagree with you, Brother. Spoons is right; voting is our right and obligation.

Always remember: Bad politicians are elected by good people who don't vote.
 
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I disagree.

It's a right and a privilege, but not a duty or obligation.
Its not a right. Felons dont get to vote!

This is what this guy said about this. Hope it helps:)

[h=3]The Privilege and Responsibility of Voting[/h]
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The Privilege and Responsibility of Voting

A man was sitting at home. It happened to be an Election Day. He sat watching TV as a public commercial came on. The woman on the commercial said, "Vote! Take the opportunity to use the gift our country gave us. The man said, "I don't need to vote. My man will win." Sadly his man did not win, they had to draw straws because it was a tie. If he had voted, his man would have won.

My position is that voting shapes our world. First, the politicians need us to vote so they can be put in office. Second, the country may not have the person it wanted all because of one non-voter. Lastly, we let our nation down because they gave you the opportunity and right to vote and we do not vote.

The politicians depend on us to put them where they want to be. Their futures depend on what we do in our voting. We must vote to have these people live out their good-willed promises that they make during their campaign. That is how it is a responsibility. They also depend on the responsibility that comes with age. We need not let the good people down who are running for public office positions.

The person who was good hearted and made promises that they intended to keep when they got into office may not be elected. All because we did not vote. We are suppose to vote because it is our duty as American citizens. The reason that the nation waits until we are eighteen years of age to allow us to vote is because when we come of that age, we are expected to take responsibility in our homes, communities, and local and national government. When we are starting to be given more responsibilities, we should learn more about our nation and its political systems so that when we are allowed to vote, we will not have to learn at the last minute. Also, if we do not vote, the politicians will get too comfortable with not having to answer to the public. They can do whatever they want if we do not vote.




Our nation gave us the right to vote. If we do not vote, our opinions would not be heard. This is because our politicians represent the people and express the people's opinions. If we abuse our right of voting the politicians could not speak for us and once again, as stated before, the politicians would get too comfortable with not having to answer to us.

In conclusion to this article, I would like to say to those who read this that we vote to help our political system. If we do vote, we push it along and keep it running smoothly. If we do not vote, sadly, things will start to crumble and the government will become unstable. Thank you for reading and I hope you enjoyed my article.




Bibliography:

Pennsylvania Govorner, Tom Ridge. John Nola, Politics expert.
 
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I know one thing though, if this country gets to the point where basic libraries are compromised (more than they already are) I'm moving to Canada, and I am dead serious.
You can sit on the side lines in any country I suppose.
 
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