Man killed in Utah FBI raid allegedly posted death threats against Biden

[ZNP]

More evidence that the DOJ is weaponized

https://rumble.com/v38vcyt-colton-m...entered-uncharted-territories-with-polit.html

Colton Moore: The United States Has Entered "Uncharted Territories" With Political Persecution

The FBI labelled parents who went to school board meetings as domestic terrorists.

They arrested a pastor with a SWAT team because he stood between his son and left wing lunatic at a rally concerning abortion.

They shot and killed a mormon in Utah who had posted a dream he had about Joe Biden. This was in a predawn raid at his house. No imminent threat to anyone, no gun has been produced, no shots were fired.

They raided a newspaper in Kansas causing the owner who was elderly to die.

Three different FBI offices across the country coordinated in putting undercover agents in traditional catholic churches with no allegation of a crime. 7,500 pages of documents detail how to frame the leaders in these churches of crimes.

Chris Wray lied about all of this in government hearings.

 

[mailmandan]

Grieving Mother Desperate For Answers After FBI Busts Down Door, Fatally Shoots Her Disabled Veteran Son in Pre-Dawn Raid | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

A family is desperately seeking answers after FBI agents busted down the door and killed their relative in a pre-dawn raid last week.

The FBI is refusing to tell a grieving mother why they showed up in armored vehicles at 6 am last Wednesday and fatally shot her son.

According to WBBJ, FBI agents showed up at a residence in Henderson, Tennessee to serve a man named Theodore Deschler an arrest warrant when things turned deadly.

A neighbor told WBBJ he woke up at 6 am after he heard a loud bang.

Is this the FBI or the KGB?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Since the Clintons it seems to be standard that every democratic president must use military force against American civilians.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

A person may be arrested for terroristic threatening, but not murdered. The only reason to use lethal force is if the person being arrested uses potentially lethal force to resist arrest.
These agents are indeed murderers.

 

[notmyown]

A person may be arrested for terroristic threatening, but not murdered. The only reason to use lethal force is if the person being arrested uses potentially lethal force to resist arrest.
These agents are indeed murderers.

i did see an article where the agents in question claimed the man was armed.

but you know what the kids say: pictures or it didn't happen.

 

[ZNP]

i did see an article where the agents in question claimed the man was armed.

but you know what the kids say: pictures or it didn't happen.

Just check the body, of course it was armed.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

So the problem that i have with these situations, is that the news outlets are so dishonest that you will never get the real story.
My personal experience with news outlets is that they dont care what the truth is.

 

[Smoke]

This guy had a history of pointing guns at people who came on his property. I am all but certain he was armed at the time the FBI served his arrest warrant. However, even if he was unarmed, many of you are for qualified immunity... Qualified immunity extends to FBI agents. Yall love the get-out-of-jail free card for police officers, why not FBI agents?

 

[ZNP]

This guy had a history of pointing guns at people who came on his property. I am all but certain he was armed at the time the FBI served his arrest warrant. However, even if he was unarmed, many of you are for qualified immunity... Qualified immunity extends to FBI agents. Yall love the get-out-of-jail free card for police officers, why not FBI agents?

who said they were for qualified immunity? I don't need a comprehensive list, three names would be enough.

BTW I am all but certain that if he had been armed at that time they would have plastered the news with pictures of the gun

 

[Smoke]

who said they were for qualified immunity? I don't need a comprehensive list, three names would be enough.

BTW I am all but certain that if he had been armed at that time they would have plastered the news with pictures of the gun

The people who reported the poster named EndQualifiedImmunity for posting videos of cops abusing their authority. I even saw people point out his username as some sort of proof he is anti-cop. You can dig those threads up and get more than 3 different people.

I mean, do you think the previously document incident of him being armed towards the Google fiber guys is fake news? Do you think it's true but just a coincidence and that this time around he wasn't armed? Other than a lack of evidence (not being given visual proof), why do you think he wasn't armed? Also, I did a simple google search and found MULTIPLE sources "plastering" that he did in fact have a gun...

I also didn't see the body of Osama Bin Laden when we killed him. There is a conspiracy theory we didn't really kill him... do you subscribe to that? I didn't see a picture of anyone shooting JFK on the grassy knoll, do you believe in the magic bullet theory too? Is the only reason you believe Kobe Bryant died because you saw the leaked pictures (LAPD/LAFD) of his charred body?

I think we mutually agree that cops and FBI agents abuse their authority and/or act incompetent from time to time. I am willing to condemn these FBI agents if they truly busted in his house and shot him unarmed... However, I need something more than the fact the media didn't "plaster" he was armed (which they actually have) and that they didn't release a picture of the weapon he was reportedly armed with.

You'll probably ask me to post at least 3 pictures of the supposed weapon the man had. It's not required by law for the authorities to show pictures of the evidence gathered at the scene to the public immediately after the incident. However, if they had body cams, I suppose you could do a FOIA request on the video footage.

 

[ZNP]

The people who reported the poster named EndQualifiedImmunity for posting videos of cops abusing their authority. I even saw people point out his username as some sort of proof he is anti-cop. You can dig those threads up and get more than 3 different people.

I mean, do you think the previously document incident of him being armed towards the Google fiber guys is fake news? Do you think it's true but just a coincidence and that this time around he wasn't armed? Other than a lack of evidence (not being given visual proof), why do you think he wasn't armed? Also, I did a simple google search and found MULTIPLE sources "plastering" that he did in fact have a gun...

I also didn't see the body of Osama Bin Laden when we killed him. There is a conspiracy theory we didn't really kill him... do you subscribe to that? I didn't see a picture of anyone shooting JFK on the grassy knoll, do you believe in the magic bullet theory too? Is the only reason you believe Kobe Bryant died because you saw the leaked pictures (LAPD/LAFD) of his charred body?

I think we mutually agree that cops and FBI agents abuse their authority and/or act incompetent from time to time. I am willing to condemn these FBI agents if they truly busted in his house and shot him unarmed... However, I need something more than the fact the media didn't "plaster" the fact he was armed (which they actually have) and that they didn't have a picture of the weapon.

You'll probably ask me to post at least 3 pictures of the supposed weapon the man had. It's not required by law for the authorities to show pictures of the evidence gathered at the scene. However, if they had body cams, I suppose you could do a FOIA request on the video footage.

I was asking a question, I figured since you said that there were many here who feel this way you knew who they were. Why do I need to do all this research? You made the accusation, provide the supporting evidence, instead you just point us to the library. Why don't you do that, you obviously are very concerned about this issue. But I don't need all the names, just the three names that are here, on this thread. Thanks.

Also if you have links to news articles referencing a gun that was on him at the time he was shot can you share those links in this thread instead of just claiming you have seen them. Thanks

 

[Smoke]

I was asking a question, I figured since you said that there were many here who feel this way you knew who they were. Why do I need to do all this research? You made the accusation, provide the supporting evidence, instead you just point us to the library. Why don't you do that, you obviously are very concerned about this issue. But I don't need all the names, just the three names that are here, on this thread. Thanks.

You should do the research if you're wanting to know who these people are. I made a statement which is factually true. You figured I would remember everyone's username who reported and were offended by his username? Bro, I call you VPN because it's easier to remember . I would have to do the same thing as you in finding the threads and pointing out the people who were offended by his username and the videos he was posting.

 

[Smoke]

I was asking a question, I figured since you said that there were many here who feel this way you knew who they were. Why do I need to do all this research? You made the accusation, provide the supporting evidence, instead you just point us to the library. Why don't you do that, you obviously are very concerned about this issue. But I don't need all the names, just the three names that are here, on this thread. Thanks.

Also if you have links to news articles referencing a gun that was on him at the time he was shot can you share those links in this thread instead of just claiming you have seen them. Thanks

I'm more passionate about qualified immunity being a bad idea than I am proving there are people that are for it. However, using your words, will you do a FOIA request on the possible body cam footage and release it to the public? It might cost a couple hundred dollars, "but I figured since you're obviously concerned about this incident" you'll do it.

 

[ZNP]

You should do the research if you're wanting to know who these people are. I made a statement which is factually true. You figured I would remember everyone's username who reported and were offended by his username? Bro, I call you VPN because it's easier to remember . I would have to do the same thing as you in finding the threads and pointing out the people who were offended by his username and the videos he was posting.

Everything you share you tell us we have to take your word for it. Not believable. I think the only reason you are waffling on this is you know that whoever did whatever you say they did that they are not on this thread.

 

[Dropship]

Heavy-handed policing also happens here in Britain too; for example I posted pics of my camping gear (including a camp knife) in a Prepper/Survivalist forum a couple of years ago and the next thing I know, two Plymouth UK cops came knocking (in fact hammering) on my door to question me.
I let them in and they sat for almost half an hour interrogating me and writing down my answers, and asked me to sign over my camping knife and even my Swiss army knife to them.
So I signed them over as a gesture of goodwill and they left, apparently satisfied that I wasn't a terrorist or nutty.
PS- they were from the same police force that stupidly let a known hothead (below) have a shotgun licence a year or two before, who then went on a killing spree, you couldn't make it up..

 

[ZNP]

I'm more passionate about qualified immunity being a bad idea than I am proving there are people that are for it. However, using your words, will you do a FOIA request on the possible body cam footage and release it to the public? It might cost a couple hundred dollars, "but I figured since you're obviously concerned about this incident" you'll do it.

Nope. You are waffling again! You just said you read reports that he was armed at the time he was shot. You must have read that in the last two weeks. Just share the link. How absurd, we have to spend hundreds of dollars, maybe have to go to court, and wait months to get something you have just claimed you already have.

 

[ZNP]

Disabled veteran shot dead in his home in Henderson Tenn.

Family seeks answers after relative fatally shot

https://www.wbbjtv.com/2023/08/20/family-seeks-answers-after-relative-fatally-shot/

 

[Smoke]

Nope. You are waffling again! You just said you read reports that he was armed at the time he was shot. You must have read that in the last two weeks. Just share the link. How absurd, we have to spend hundreds of dollars, maybe have to go to court, and wait months to get something you have just claimed you already have.

You asked for people who were for qualified immunity (I ended up private messaging you a screenshot btw)... but if you're asking me to cite the sources where I saw the media "plastering" that the man was armed, that is a more reasonable request.

Here is one...

ABC Releasing Neighbor's Footage (Reporter says the man allegedly pointed a gun at the officers)

This Makes Three

By the way, I too think it's stupid to have to pay hundreds of dollars for video FOIA requests. But many people here don't take kindly to criticism of public entities... although they seem more lenient if they are FBI/CIA or Democrats. "I figured since you're obviously passionate about proving the guy was unarmed", you will do what it takes to get the FOIA request though...

 

[ZNP]

You asked for people who were for qualified immunity (I ended up private messaging you a screenshot btw)... but if you're asking me to cite the sources where I saw the media "plastering" that the man was armed, that is a more reasonable request.

Here is one...

ABC Releasing Neighbor's Footage (Reporter says the man allegedly pointed a gun at the officers)

This Makes Three

By the way, I too think it's stupid to have to pay hundreds of dollars for video FOIA requests. But many people here don't take kindly to criticism of public entities... although they seem more lenient if they are FBI/CIA or Democrats. "I figured since you're obviously passionate about proving the guy was unarmed", you will do what it takes to get the FOIA request though...

I am watching the video, it is dark, there are cars in the way, many men, and we are supposed to be believe that a neighbor allegedly saw a gun? This is absurd. The man was shot dead. The cops then dragged him out into the street. If there was a gun by his body it would have been entered in as evidence and would be part of the public record. This story proves (IMO) that there wasn't a gun and they know it looks bad which is why they are coming up with this bogus neighbor saw it story. It was very clear from the video that the neighbor shooting the video could not possibly have seen it, and the story doesn't say it was a neighbor, just that "it was reported". No one is taking credit for having "seen a gun".

Also we finally see the "threat". He says he will be cleaning the dust off his gun. Since when is it a crime to keep a legally registered gun clean?

 

[Smoke]

I am watching the video, it is dark, there are cars in the way, many men, and we are supposed to be believe that a neighbor allegedly saw a gun? This is absurd. The man was shot dead. The cops then dragged him out into the street. If there was a gun by his body it would have been entered in as evidence and would be part of the public record. This story proves (IMO) that there wasn't a gun and they know it looks bad which is why they are coming up with this bogus neighbor saw it story. It was very clear from the video that the neighbor shooting the video could not possibly have seen it, and the story doesn't say it was a neighbor, just that "it was reported". No one is taking credit for having "seen a gun".

Also we finally see the "threat". He says he will be cleaning the dust off his gun. Since when is it a crime to keep a legally registered gun clean?

Agreed, the neighbor didn't report the man was armed, it was the agents. Nevertheless, there are 3x sources of it being "plastered" that the man was armed. So you can take this off the list of reasons why you think the guy was unarmed (because the media supposedly didn't "plaster" it in which case they really did).

Perhaps this is an unfair assessment of the scenario, but the agents' claim that he was not following orders/commands appears to be substantiated. This doesn't prove he really was armed, just gives something towards their credibility.

Now what proof do you have to show that he was unarmed again?