New Analysis Dates Shroud of Turin to the First Century

[Jesusfollower]

New Analysis Dates Shroud of Turin to the First Century

Author: Bryan Windle Category: Breaking News Created: 26 April 2022

A new study overseen by Dr. Liberato de Caro of Italy’s Institute of Crystallography of the National Research Council, in Bari has concluded that the Shroud of Turin dates to the first century. In a report published on the website of Italy’s Department of Chemical Sciences and Materials Technologies, de Caro outlined the “Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering” or WAXS method they used, which measures the structural degradation due to natural aging of the cellulose that makes up the fibers of the linen threads. This process, which is non-destructive, was used on a variety of historical textiles which have well-documented ages, and then compared to the Shroud of Turin; the best match was with a piece of fabric from ca. AD 55-74 known to have come from the siege of Masada in Israel. The new dating contradicts the 1988 carbon-14 test of fabric threads from the shroud, which dated the relic to the Middle Ages. Critics have long-pointed out that that test was flawed, as it came from an area of the fabric that was repaired in the Middle Ages. The new study also notes that ancient textiles can become contaminated with substances over time that could distort carbon-14 results. The new findings, if accurate, suggest that the fabric of the Shroud of Turin originated around the time of Christ. For more information readers can search ABR’s website for articles or watch a recent of Digging for Truth on the Shroud of Turin (link below).
OFF-SITE LINKS:
- https://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/
- https://www.dsctm.cnr.it/it/archivi...della-sindone-di-torino-visti-ai-raggi-x.html
- https://www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/5/2/47/pdf

 

[ResidentAlien]

The shroud's not authentic. Jesus' body was wrapped in linen strips along with spices, as was the burial custom of the Jews at the time. A head piece covered His head but it didn't cover His whole body.

The shroud's just another worthless relic adored by Catholics.

 

[JohnDB]

The shroud's not authentic. Jesus' body was wrapped in linen strips along with spices, as was the burial custom of the Jews at the time. A head piece covered His head but it didn't cover His whole body.

The shroud's just another worthless relic adored by Catholics.

Seems like they recreated the whole shroud by placing linen on a full size painting and left it out in a field so the sun could beat on the linen for days....which gave the linen a 3-D look....they have the exact painting the shroud was covering too. Can't remember what the name is....but the RCC hasn't exactly been putting it on display lately either.

 

[ZNP]

The shroud is definitely authentic. It is the most heavily studied artifact in world history. No other artifact has been so thoroughly studied.

When I taught Forensics we would spend a month on all the studies done on the shroud.

It is irresponsible for people to proclaim that the shroud is fake if they have not looked carefully at the studies done.

All of this is available for free, online. I don't want to go into it because you could easily write 500 pages on all the studies.

There are also extensive videos available on just some of the studies.

As one scientist said, "we would have confirmed that this was authentic years ago if the implication of that were not so great".

I would point out that it is also Biblical. We are told that the shroud was left behind as physical evidence of the resurrection. Now why would God do that if the shroud would then be lost?

What I find most interesting about the Shroud are the things that are contrary to the common understanding. The crown of thorns is one, and the strip of clothe that was sewn back onto the shroud is the other.

 

[GaryA]

The shroud is definitely authentic. It is the most heavily studied artifact in world history. No other artifact has been so thoroughly studied.

When I taught Forensics we would spend a month on all the studies done on the shroud.

It is irresponsible for people to proclaim that the shroud is fake if they have not looked carefully at the studies done.

All of this is available for free, online. I don't want to go into it because you could easily write 500 pages on all the studies.

There are also extensive videos available on just some of the studies.

As one scientist said, "we would have confirmed that this was authentic years ago if the implication of that were not so great".

I would point out that it is also Biblical. We are told that the shroud was left behind as physical evidence of the resurrection. Now why would God do that if the shroud would then be lost?

What I find most interesting about the Shroud are the things that are contrary to the common understanding. The crown of thorns is one, and the strip of clothe that was sewn back onto the shroud is the other.

It may be authentic by way of being the burial cloth of someone; however, scripture itself does away with any possibility of it being the burial cloth of Jesus.

As post #2 has already indicated, the head covering was a separate piece of cloth.

And, it was never attached in the first place...

 

[Lanolin]

is this news or is this OLD news

 

[ZNP]

It may be authentic by way of being the burial cloth of someone; however, scripture itself does away with any possibility of it being the burial cloth of Jesus.

As post #2 has already indicated, the head covering was a separate piece of cloth.

And, it was never attached in the first place...

Which is why one feature of the Shroud of Turin is so utterly fascinating to me. In the Jewish burial custom you have this very large cloth like a sheet. They will cut off a strip from the cloth and when they wrap the body in the cloth they use this strip to tie it up. The Shroud of Turin has this strip sewn back onto it. It was done meticulously by a very skilled hand so it was not immediately apparent, but it is one of the features of the Shroud that is not "Biblical".

Now I can imagine a scam artist going through tombs in Israel at the time of the crusades looking for a shroud. But would they have sewn this strip back on after more than a thousand years?

No this had to have been done very shortly after the man was crucified. But why would you do this? My theory is that this was a labor of love by those who saw the Shroud as a very special and precious item.

I would also point out that the face covering, which has been carefully preserved and has an excellent historical record dating back to the crucifixion, has the same blood type as the Shroud. The odds of that happening is 1/10 if this had been a scam. Besides, since scammers didn't know about blood type back at the crusades I would have thought many scams would have used cow blood or pig blood. So I would make the odds even lower.

 

[Runningman]

It may be authentic by way of being the burial cloth of someone; however, scripture itself does away with any possibility of it being the burial cloth of Jesus.

As post #2 has already indicated, the head covering was a separate piece of cloth.

And, it was never attached in the first place...

could there have been layers?

 

[Jesusfollower]

Jesus burial was not done in a normal fashion, there was little time for the burial rites as the sabbath was almost upon them. Joseph bought a cloth for the burial, he would have chosen the finest possible as he was a rich man so yes it is plausible it was a very fine white linen cloth of one piece.

Peace,

JF

 

[arthurfleminger]

Whether one believes that the 'Shroud of Turin' is Jesus burial cloth or not, it is certainly a fascinating subject. This piece of cloth has been scientifically reviewed many times. Is it impossible that this shroud is Jesus' shroud, are miracles impossible? Here is a great television documentary on the shroud: The Face of Jesus Uncovered - History Channel - video Dailymotion

This video is certainly not proof of the authenticity of the shroud but it raises many points as to it's authenticity. And, BTW, you don't have to believe in it's authenticity to see that it is a remarkable shroud.

 

[TheLearner]

This testing method makes sense if many sample areas are done to elimate tampering in later times.

 

[arthurfleminger]

Actually/realistically, no one has ever declared the 'Shroud of Turin' to be 'Jesus' Burial Shroud'. It is only deemed as worthy of scientific and religious study as it raises many questions. But no one at all has stated that, for sure, this is Jesus' burial shroud. All investigators of the shroud say that it is impossible to prove that this is Jesus' burial shroud.

 

[ZNP]

Actually/realistically, no one has ever declared the 'Shroud of Turin' to be 'Jesus' Burial Shroud'. It is only deemed as worthy of scientific and religious study as it raises many questions. But no one at all has stated that, for sure, this is Jesus' burial shroud. All investigators of the shroud say that it is impossible to prove that this is Jesus' burial shroud.

All the scientists can do is confirm that it is an authentic burial shroud that depicts a man who was scourged and then crucified, which was rare. That this man's side was pierced and blood and water came out. That this man has an injury to his knee and one shoulder shows the wounds flattened as though it had the heavy cross on it. The scientists can confirm that this is the same blood type as the Sudarium which was the cloth used to bind the head so the jaw was held shut. This item has been very well documented to be authentic because we have the history of it going back 2,000 years. The scientist have also been able to confirm this shroud was placed on the ground in the same limestone tombs that Jesus was buried in (they have been able to identify that the limestone is the same formation from trace minerals). They can also confirm that this person was crucified in the Spring around the Passover in Jerusalem because they have found pollen from 70 different species that collectively would have to be Jerusalem.

There are a couple of things about the Shroud that are contrary to the basic understanding of the crucifixion. First, most paintings depict the nails to have gone through the hands but this shroud shows that the nails went through the two bones in the wrist, historically accurate though contrary to most artistic depictions. Second, the evidence from the shroud is that the "crown of thorns" was not a woven crown as most paintings depict but rather a clump of a bush stuck on the head. Again, hard to imagine soldiers taking time to weave a crown from these really vicious thorns. Finally, the shroud is woven according to the correct weave at the time, it is made of the correct fibers, and it is the standard size. However, they will cut a strip about 1-2 inches wide off the length of the shroud and then use that to tie the shroud around the body. This strip has been painstakingly and very skillfully sewn back onto the shroud. There is no historical or religious basis to do this. But by doing this they demonstrate that the shroud had to have been sewn back together shortly after the burial before it had a chance to decompose.

But yes, it could have been anyone who was scourged, crucified around passover in Jerusalem, buried in the same tombs as Jesus, had a crown of thorns on their head, and had the same blood type as Jesus.

Except of course for the very strange image that no one can explain, no one has been able to replicate and which we don't find on other burial shrouds.

Other than that it really could have been anyone.

 

[evyaniy]

Did anyone change their opinion concerning if the Shroud of Turin is the cloth that covered Messiah's body when He was laid in the tomb? A lot of new data has come out in recent years for it's Authenticity. There have been many books written that present what has been found with the various studies. The holographic, 3d, x-ray data that is contained in the image on the cloth could have only been discovered with new computer analysis, proving it could not be a fake and that His resurrection is the only thing that can account for the image being left on the cloth.

As others have pointed out in other threads, there are coins over His eyes that were minted by Pilate in 29 AD. That is just one feature of countless that attest to it's veracity of being His covering while dead. There is also the limestone evidence on the cloth where His body hit the ground when falling. That form of limestone is only found around Jerusalem. Many books are excellent at detailing the evidence they have discovered so far which is overwhelming proof for His resurrection.

 

[ZNP]

Did anyone change their opinion concerning if the Shroud of Turin is the cloth that covered Messiah's body when He was laid in the tomb? A lot of new data has come out in recent years for it's Authenticity. There have been many books written that present what has been found with the various studies. The holographic, 3d, x-ray data that is contained in the image on the cloth could have only been discovered with new computer analysis, proving it could not be a fake and that His resurrection is the only thing that can account for the image being left on the cloth.

As others have pointed out in other threads, there are coins over His eyes that were minted by Pilate in 29 AD. That is just one feature of countless that attest to it's veracity of being His covering while dead. There is also the limestone evidence on the cloth where His body hit the ground when falling. That form of limestone is only found around Jerusalem. Many books are excellent at detailing the evidence they have discovered so far which is overwhelming proof for His resurrection.

I changed my opinion after carefully examining the evidence. Initially I thought it was a phony Catholic artifact and now I think it is the real thing.

When I was teaching Forensics I chose three cases for deep dives where we studied them for a month. JFK assassination, 911, and Shroud of Turin.

There is a tremendous amount of evidence on these three cases, they are very different obviously, and what some people don't know is that the Shroud of Turin is the most heavily studied artifact in human history and may have more forensic evidence than either JFK or 911.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

New Analysis Dates Shroud of Turin to the First Century

Author: Bryan Windle Category: Breaking News Created: 26 April 2022

A new study overseen by Dr. Liberato de Caro of Italy’s Institute of Crystallography of the National Research Council, in Bari has concluded that the Shroud of Turin dates to the first century. In a report published on the website of Italy’s Department of Chemical Sciences and Materials Technologies, de Caro outlined the “Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering” or WAXS method they used, which measures the structural degradation due to natural aging of the cellulose that makes up the fibers of the linen threads. This process, which is non-destructive, was used on a variety of historical textiles which have well-documented ages, and then compared to the Shroud of Turin; the best match was with a piece of fabric from ca. AD 55-74 known to have come from the siege of Masada in Israel. The new dating contradicts the 1988 carbon-14 test of fabric threads from the shroud, which dated the relic to the Middle Ages. Critics have long-pointed out that that test was flawed, as it came from an area of the fabric that was repaired in the Middle Ages. The new study also notes that ancient textiles can become contaminated with substances over time that could distort carbon-14 results. The new findings, if accurate, suggest that the fabric of the Shroud of Turin originated around the time of Christ. For more information readers can search ABR’s website for articles or watch a recent of Digging for Truth on the Shroud of Turin (link below).
OFF-SITE LINKS:
- https://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/
- https://www.dsctm.cnr.it/it/archivi...della-sindone-di-torino-visti-ai-raggi-x.html
- https://www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/5/2/47/pdf

Matthew 12:39

KJV
“But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:”
+++

John 20:26-29

KJV
26.“And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.”

27.“Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.”

28.“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”

29.“Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”

 

[ResidentAlien]

Did anyone change their opinion concerning if the Shroud of Turin is the cloth that covered Messiah's body when He was laid in the tomb? A lot of new data has come out in recent years for it's Authenticity. There have been many books written that present what has been found with the various studies. The holographic, 3d, x-ray data that is contained in the image on the cloth could have only been discovered with new computer analysis, proving it could not be a fake and that His resurrection is the only thing that can account for the image being left on the cloth.

As others have pointed out in other threads, there are coins over His eyes that were minted by Pilate in 29 AD. That is just one feature of countless that attest to it's veracity of being His covering while dead. There is also the limestone evidence on the cloth where His body hit the ground when falling. That form of limestone is only found around Jerusalem. Many books are excellent at detailing the evidence they have discovered so far which is overwhelming proof for His resurrection.

The gospel of John records that Jesus' body was wrapped in linen strips (othoniois); and there was a separate head covering. The synoptics use a different word (sindoni) meaning a linen cloth. All the other evidence is meaningless if John's account is the correct one and Jesus wasn't even wrapped in a shroud.

 

[TheLearner]

"Little evidence for the occurrence of group AB extends beyond 900 to 1,000 years ago, when a large western migration of Eastern peoples took place. Blood group AB is rarely found in European graves prior to 900 A.D. Studies of prehistoric grave exhumations in Hungary indicate a distinct lack of this blood group into the Langobard age (fifth to seventh century A.D.). This would seem to indicate that, up until that point in time, European populations of blood groups A and B did not come into common contact. If they did, they neither mingled nor intermarried. " https://www.dadamo.com/txt/index.pl?1010

https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/kearse4.pdf
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27001889/

"Type AB was a modern adaptation, a result of the intermingling of disparate groups" 1,000 years ago. https://aqua4balance.com/abo-blood-type-evolution/

"What they agree on is that AB is the most recent and didn’t occur until the 16th Century when group A populations from Europe and group B populations from Asia began to mix. The other blood groups are tens of thousands of years old with B being more recent than A. The oldest group is either group A or one of the forms of group O. "
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/which-human-blood-group-evolved-first/

Basically, breif look at science places development of AB blood type in the 1500's.

 

[ZNP]

"Little evidence for the occurrence of group AB extends beyond 900 to 1,000 years ago, when a large western migration of Eastern peoples took place. Blood group AB is rarely found in European graves prior to 900 A.D. Studies of prehistoric grave exhumations in Hungary indicate a distinct lack of this blood group into the Langobard age (fifth to seventh century A.D.). This would seem to indicate that, up until that point in time, European populations of blood groups A and B did not come into common contact. If they did, they neither mingled nor intermarried. " https://www.dadamo.com/txt/index.pl?1010

https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/kearse4.pdf
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27001889/

"Type AB was a modern adaptation, a result of the intermingling of disparate groups" 1,000 years ago. https://aqua4balance.com/abo-blood-type-evolution/

"What they agree on is that AB is the most recent and didn’t occur until the 16th Century when group A populations from Europe and group B populations from Asia began to mix. The other blood groups are tens of thousands of years old with B being more recent than A. The oldest group is either group A or one of the forms of group O. "
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/which-human-blood-group-evolved-first/

Basically, breif look at science places development of AB blood type in the 1500's.

This is easy to refute. The Sudarium of Oviedo has the same blood type as the Shroud of Turin and it has an excellent history dating all the way back to the crucifixion.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

Very interesting news! Whether or not it is indeed the true shroud of our Lord Jesus or simply a relic of immense historical importance, this is very interesting news. It seems the plotline through history of the Shroud of Turin shall continue and deepen. Excellent Christian history smashing apart science and culture and driving the atheists mad for however many years they want to believe that it has existed, PRAISE JESUS!