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That's a good spiritual point about how God, as a respecter of free will, eventually after much long suffering has to honor the choice of those who strenuously reject Him and His holiness for the reprobation they want.
And, of course, people who engage in immoral behavior outside the scope of God's holiness and holy instructions for His church are free to start their own apostate religious organizations and hire whomever they like which adds yet another layer of hypocrisy to their charade to deny non-apostate Christian organizations their human rights and religious liberties.
As I stated about this person:
"But you have no problem hypocritically denying religious institutions that adhere to the Christian normative morality the nation was largely founded on access to government funding (unless they violate their religious epistemology which would be you violating their human rights and religious liberty), even when they earn it through a legitimate exchange of service as occurs with government contracting, while making government funding available to immoral organizations founded on sexually immoral behaviors the government was never founded on that exist to propagate their sexual immorality exactly as if they were religious institutions whether they earn it or not (e.g. grants, etc...).
What an immoral, hypocritical, and tyrannical position it is that you hold."
AND, this is all in the context of they are certainly free to form their own apostate religious organizations if they choose to and champion immorality.
This one doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's obviously broken rule #2 of CC's forum rules blatantly and repeatedly to the nth degree. You may wish to report him. CC isn't a forum for endless anti-Christ fallaciousness.
And, of course, people who engage in immoral behavior outside the scope of God's holiness and holy instructions for His church are free to start their own apostate religious organizations and hire whomever they like which adds yet another layer of hypocrisy to their charade to deny non-apostate Christian organizations their human rights and religious liberties.
As I stated about this person:
"But you have no problem hypocritically denying religious institutions that adhere to the Christian normative morality the nation was largely founded on access to government funding (unless they violate their religious epistemology which would be you violating their human rights and religious liberty), even when they earn it through a legitimate exchange of service as occurs with government contracting, while making government funding available to immoral organizations founded on sexually immoral behaviors the government was never founded on that exist to propagate their sexual immorality exactly as if they were religious institutions whether they earn it or not (e.g. grants, etc...).
What an immoral, hypocritical, and tyrannical position it is that you hold."
AND, this is all in the context of they are certainly free to form their own apostate religious organizations if they choose to and champion immorality.
This one doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's obviously broken rule #2 of CC's forum rules blatantly and repeatedly to the nth degree. You may wish to report him. CC isn't a forum for endless anti-Christ fallaciousness.
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I don't believe you simply because your competency in this thread is on the level of the poor performing high school potheads I talk to from time to time but it's actually worse because they can retain information and don't repeat their false assertions endlessly after they've been soundly refuted like a broken record forcing correction of the same false assertions repeatedly (not to mention that some of them actually do come to an understanding of the truth and are born again into God's kingdom).
As I explained previously, it doesn't matter if 41,000 different denominations exist for the purpose of asserting the existence and reality of objective truth for disagreement does not invalidate truth. Truth is found in correspondence. Truth is what corresponds to its object (referent), whether this object is abstract or concrete. The presence of denominations neither invalidates what a Christian actually is nor changes what a Christian actually is in any way whatsoever. People and organizations failing to correspond with truth do not invalidate truth as I explained to you earlier.
All you've done is engage in fallacious reasoning and reveal that you do not know what a Christian is and that you are ignorant in a great many other disciplines. And without committing an appeal to authority fallacy as I am asserting what I share with you is accurate because it is accurate; as a straight A M.Div. (not to mention my other three degrees and twenty certifications all honors) with more than 25 years of careful study who's both experienced that which I assert and qualified it properly using those disciplines you fail in (e.g. logic, ethics, history, science, etc...): I do.
Blatant false religious cults and the two main denominational antagonists (Catholicism versus Protestantism) aside, what we have is a few original mainline denominations spawning numerous offshoots most of which emphasize slight doctrinal differences or different styles of worship to fit the differing tastes and preferences of Christians within the mainline denomination they arose from.
Not that it matters for people and organizations that fail to correspond with truth do not invalidate truth as I explained to you earlier. Falsehood is that which does not correspond to its referent (object). Falsehood is a misrepresentation of the way things are. Beliefs are false if they are mistaken. Mistaken beliefs are invalid.
Your mistaken belief that there is no logical proof that a 'spirit' or 'soul' even exists is false, for example, as is your false assertion that regeneration is only a "a specific change of mind." You really show your ignorance by making such elementary false assertions. I doubt you even know what your fallaciousness is even classified as in theology (e.g. destructive biblical criticism). It's God's Holy Spirit, mediated by Jesus, which is the agent of regeneration and apart from His mysterious work one cannot see the kingdom of God (John 3:5–8).
And obviously, the actual regenerate (e.g. a biblical motif of salvation that emphasizes the rebirth or re-creation of fallen human beings by the indwelling Holy Spirit) are well aware of their new nature with tangible proof manifesting in a new desire to live out God's holiness in their life as they have been “brought from death to life” (Rom 6:13 RSV; cf. Rom 7:5–6, 10; 8:6, 10). And it is a fact that sexual immorality does NOT correspond to God's holiness!
There is only one state of regeneration. There are not 41,000 states of regeneration. There is also only one state for the unregenerate. In total there are two possible states for a person: regenerate or unregenerate. To know whether someone is unregenerate or regenerate, all that's needed is to match what corresponds to regeneration or unregeneration accurately.
God's Word explains the what and the how.
The issue is not whether those outside God's kingdom are or are not Christian (their status is known), but whether those within the church (e.g. all regenerated believers of Christ worldwide past, present, and future in God's kingdoms joined to Christ via their spiritual rebirth [e.g. regeneration of one's spirit and soul by the Holy Spirit Rom 8:9-10; John 3:7; Titus 3:5-8; 1 Peter 1:3, etc...]) are truly regenerate or merely professing to be.
For example, if people claim to be regenerate and live wicked lives filled with blatant sexual immorality such as homosexuality, John states that the regeneration of those people should be doubted for their life shows that they are still a child of the devil in an unregenerate state.
God's normative morality is very simply that which aligns with God's holiness or in theology that which corresponds to God's holiness qualified by an accurate application of His special revelation.
All your relativist, fallacious, pluralistic, nonsensical, illogical, etc... chatter does not change so much as a tittle of truth. You either correspond or fail to correspond to the truth. In your case, you fail to correspond to it and you're obviously an unregenerate.
The choice to remain in that state is, as always, your own.
As I explained previously, it doesn't matter if 41,000 different denominations exist for the purpose of asserting the existence and reality of objective truth for disagreement does not invalidate truth. Truth is found in correspondence. Truth is what corresponds to its object (referent), whether this object is abstract or concrete. The presence of denominations neither invalidates what a Christian actually is nor changes what a Christian actually is in any way whatsoever. People and organizations failing to correspond with truth do not invalidate truth as I explained to you earlier.
All you've done is engage in fallacious reasoning and reveal that you do not know what a Christian is and that you are ignorant in a great many other disciplines. And without committing an appeal to authority fallacy as I am asserting what I share with you is accurate because it is accurate; as a straight A M.Div. (not to mention my other three degrees and twenty certifications all honors) with more than 25 years of careful study who's both experienced that which I assert and qualified it properly using those disciplines you fail in (e.g. logic, ethics, history, science, etc...): I do.
Blatant false religious cults and the two main denominational antagonists (Catholicism versus Protestantism) aside, what we have is a few original mainline denominations spawning numerous offshoots most of which emphasize slight doctrinal differences or different styles of worship to fit the differing tastes and preferences of Christians within the mainline denomination they arose from.
Not that it matters for people and organizations that fail to correspond with truth do not invalidate truth as I explained to you earlier. Falsehood is that which does not correspond to its referent (object). Falsehood is a misrepresentation of the way things are. Beliefs are false if they are mistaken. Mistaken beliefs are invalid.
Your mistaken belief that there is no logical proof that a 'spirit' or 'soul' even exists is false, for example, as is your false assertion that regeneration is only a "a specific change of mind." You really show your ignorance by making such elementary false assertions. I doubt you even know what your fallaciousness is even classified as in theology (e.g. destructive biblical criticism). It's God's Holy Spirit, mediated by Jesus, which is the agent of regeneration and apart from His mysterious work one cannot see the kingdom of God (John 3:5–8).
And obviously, the actual regenerate (e.g. a biblical motif of salvation that emphasizes the rebirth or re-creation of fallen human beings by the indwelling Holy Spirit) are well aware of their new nature with tangible proof manifesting in a new desire to live out God's holiness in their life as they have been “brought from death to life” (Rom 6:13 RSV; cf. Rom 7:5–6, 10; 8:6, 10). And it is a fact that sexual immorality does NOT correspond to God's holiness!
There is only one state of regeneration. There are not 41,000 states of regeneration. There is also only one state for the unregenerate. In total there are two possible states for a person: regenerate or unregenerate. To know whether someone is unregenerate or regenerate, all that's needed is to match what corresponds to regeneration or unregeneration accurately.
God's Word explains the what and the how.
The issue is not whether those outside God's kingdom are or are not Christian (their status is known), but whether those within the church (e.g. all regenerated believers of Christ worldwide past, present, and future in God's kingdoms joined to Christ via their spiritual rebirth [e.g. regeneration of one's spirit and soul by the Holy Spirit Rom 8:9-10; John 3:7; Titus 3:5-8; 1 Peter 1:3, etc...]) are truly regenerate or merely professing to be.
For example, if people claim to be regenerate and live wicked lives filled with blatant sexual immorality such as homosexuality, John states that the regeneration of those people should be doubted for their life shows that they are still a child of the devil in an unregenerate state.
God's normative morality is very simply that which aligns with God's holiness or in theology that which corresponds to God's holiness qualified by an accurate application of His special revelation.
All your relativist, fallacious, pluralistic, nonsensical, illogical, etc... chatter does not change so much as a tittle of truth. You either correspond or fail to correspond to the truth. In your case, you fail to correspond to it and you're obviously an unregenerate.
The choice to remain in that state is, as always, your own.
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What I really want is you to stop clogging up my thread with a lot of false assertions and then repeating them after I've corrected them. Start your own thread if you wish to engage in that behavior. That's all I asked of you.
Obviously, if you were merely asking questions or debating new material, I would be fine with that. It's the constant repeating of the same anti-Christ false assertions after being reproved that I dislike.
Obviously, if you were merely asking questions or debating new material, I would be fine with that. It's the constant repeating of the same anti-Christ false assertions after being reproved that I dislike.
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For more information, I recommend: 'Why I Am a Christian: Leading Thinkers Explain Why They Believe' by Norman L. Geisler (Editor) and Paul K. Hoffman (Editor)
Why I Am a Christian: Leading Thinkers Explain Why They Believe: Norman L. Geisler, Paul K. Hoffman: 9780801067129: Amazon.com: Books
Why I Am a Christian: Leading Thinkers Explain Why They Believe: Norman L. Geisler, Paul K. Hoffman: 9780801067129: Amazon.com: Books