Oh now what next?? The Lincoln Memorial vandalised

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kaylagrl

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I did not vote for either candidate in the president election.
I accept the will of the people who did vote.
Trump is my president. I pray for him and I hope he succeeds.
There are those in this country that are bound to bring down Trump and the entire government at any cost.
They don't care how many lives are lost.
The news media is leading the way.
I am afraid this is just the beginning.


You nailed it! I just went a took a picture of a statue dedicated to both sides of the civil war. I expect it to be defaced any day now.
 
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kaylagrl

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#22
I would think more along the lines of a three state solution.

1........radical lefties

2........radical righties

3........persons with sanity in the middle

So,pretty much the way it is now. I mean really,sooner or later the level headed middle is going to be forced to take a side. Unless someone gets a grip on this we are headed for war in this country.
 

p_rehbein

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You know Colonel Sanders owned slaves right? I mean, talk about the perfect example of what a slave owning Plantation guy would LOOK LIKE! :)

Waiting to see these idiots start demonstrating in front of a KFC.

Oh, and BTW, most of the Signers of the Constitution owned slaves. Guess we'll have to rip that bad boy up huh?

In fact, our entire Government is BASED on racist categorizations! Ever SEE a Government Form that did not include the little diddy......... RACE:

???

Guess we will have to disband our Government huh?
 
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(CIVIL WAR - ANARCHY) it's total confusion, rebellion, everything being
turned 'up-side-down' right in front of our faces...
wonder how many are still wearing 'rose-colored-glasses?'
 
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kaylagrl

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You know Colonel Sanders owned slaves right? I mean, talk about the perfect example of what a slave owning Plantation guy would LOOK LIKE! :)

Waiting to see these idiots start demonstrating in front of a KFC.

Oh, and BTW, most of the Signers of the Constitution owned slaves. Guess we'll have to rip that bad boy up huh?

In fact, our entire Government is BASED on racist categorizations! Ever SEE a Government Form that did not include the little diddy......... RACE:

???

Guess we will have to disband our Government huh?

Ummmm, don't think he was slave owner,slavery had long ended by the time he was old enough have owned a plantation.
 

p_rehbein

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um...........tongue firmly in cheek.......but based on actual Truth.....

Have to work to see the "rest of the story"

Birth and early years[edit]

William Sanders was born near Frankfort, Kentucky to wealthy attorney Lewis Sanders (Saunders), Jr., (born circa 1797) and his wife Margaret H. Sanders (born circa 1804). His family moved circa 1839 to Natchez, Mississippi, where he was raised. He was a cousin of Jefferson Davis, and his sister Elizabeth Jane married attorney, mining magnate and thoroughbred horse breeder James Ben Ali Haggin (December 9, 1822 – September 13, 1914), a business partner of George Hearst and the owner of Elmendorf Farm in Lexington, Kentucky. The Haggin family lived next door to the Sanders family in Natchez.[SUP][1][/SUP] William Price Sanders went by the nickname "Doc", but he did not have a medical degree. He was purportedly named in honor of his uncle, a physician. NOTE: Presumably Lewis Bennett P. Sanders, M.D.[SUP][2]

Carroll County's Sanders Left Legacy as a Cattle Breeder

In aura of quiet serenity overcomes me whenever I stand facing the home of Lewis Sanders in Carroll County. But an even more profound sense of calm when I turn and look out at the countryside of his farm, known to all who know of it as Grasshills.

I think the reason is not only that it is a strikingly understated house, large wood structure of logs with wood clapboard siding sitting quietly on what at one time was one of the riches and fertile farmland of the area. But also because of the insurmountable hard work it took to design and build the house and, needless to say, clear the land.

I am in awe of Sanders' accomplishments and what he and his family must have endured when forging their new life here in the Ohio River Valley. However, as I stand taking in this important piece of Carroll County history, I also remember his slaves and the important role they played with the Sanders family.


KFC'S Colonel Sanders:

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“I'd certainly taste his chicken for him. *Wink*”
~ Oscar Wilde on Colonel Sanders being too drunk to taste his own chicken
“I missed one?!?!?!”
~ Colonel Sanders on the "Why did the chicken cross the road" question
“I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky.”
~ Abraham Lincoln
A native son of Kentuckistan, Adolf "Colonel" Sanders was born Jesus Harland Sanders in 1834. His parents were poor marijuana farmers in an area so remote that no one knew of marijuana and they never made a cent.

Despite crippling poverty, he had a normal childhood and gained no recognition until the outbreak of the Civil War. His family, while poor, was proud as punch since his mama had won the Kentucky Derby two times running. The young Harlan was raised by his uncle, an overseer on a slave-breeding plantation in Hickman County, once his father had gone west to serve under the Nebraska Admirals in a largely-unsuccessful attempt to eke out a living.


wiki links about these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_P._Sanders

Colonel Sanders » Illogicopedia - The nonsensical encyclopedia anyone can mess up



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No one wants to rewrite history. The confederacy lost the Civil War. They were committing treason and after the war our government had to babysit and overlook specific laws and doctrines each confederate states put forth to make sure they weren't planning on doing that type of **stuff** again. This isn't anything old or new. Alabama still outlawed interracial marriages until 2000. Racism still exists. The confederacy legacy can be seen at our national museums and various historical sites throughout the country however certain statues glorifying and praising their works I wouldn't recommend because many of their ideology or beliefs is very offensive

 
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In addition concerning the vandalism of statues many of the statues being vandalized are from both liberal extremist and conservative extremist.

I do not condone vandalism however the people of Charlottesville voted to take down the statue and I agree with that vote.
 

Billyd

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No one wants to rewrite history. The confederacy lost the Civil War. They were committing treason and after the war our government had to babysit and overlook specific laws and doctrines each confederate states put forth to make sure they weren't planning on doing that type of shit again. This isn't anything old or new. Alabama still outlawed interracial marriages until 2000. Racism still exists. The confederacy legacy can be seen at our national museums and various historical sites throughout the country however certain statues glorifying and praising their works I wouldn't recommend because many of their ideology or beliefs is very offensive

It's 2017. We can tear down every statue of any one who ever owned a slave, ban the names of Confederate leaders from use in the public domain, re-fight every battle of the past, etc. and we will not improve the life of one single citizen of this country. Forget the racial past of this country. Spend your energy on helping our president "he was elected to the office" rebuild our country. We can improve the lives of everyone.
 

Billyd

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#30
In addition concerning the vandalism of statues many of the statues being vandalized are from both liberal extremist and conservative extremist.

I do not condone vandalism however the people of Charlottesville voted to take down the statue and I agree with that vote.
This argument is now at the point where a group of students at USC now want's the name Traveler removed from their mascot because it was the name of one of Robert E Lee's favorite horses.
 
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um...........tongue firmly in cheek.......but based on actual Truth.....

Have to work to see the "rest of the story"

Birth and early years[edit]

William Sanders was born near Frankfort, Kentucky to wealthy attorney Lewis Sanders (Saunders), Jr., (born circa 1797) and his wife Margaret H. Sanders (born circa 1804). His family moved circa 1839 to Natchez, Mississippi, where he was raised. He was a cousin of Jefferson Davis, and his sister Elizabeth Jane married attorney, mining magnate and thoroughbred horse breeder James Ben Ali Haggin (December 9, 1822 – September 13, 1914), a business partner of George Hearst and the owner of Elmendorf Farm in Lexington, Kentucky. The Haggin family lived next door to the Sanders family in Natchez.[SUP][1][/SUP] William Price Sanders went by the nickname "Doc", but he did not have a medical degree. He was purportedly named in honor of his uncle, a physician. NOTE: Presumably Lewis Bennett P. Sanders, M.D.[SUP][2]

Carroll County's Sanders Left Legacy as a Cattle Breeder

In aura of quiet serenity overcomes me whenever I stand facing the home of Lewis Sanders in Carroll County. But an even more profound sense of calm when I turn and look out at the countryside of his farm, known to all who know of it as Grasshills.

I think the reason is not only that it is a strikingly understated house, large wood structure of logs with wood clapboard siding sitting quietly on what at one time was one of the riches and fertile farmland of the area. But also because of the insurmountable hard work it took to design and build the house and, needless to say, clear the land.

I am in awe of Sanders' accomplishments and what he and his family must have endured when forging their new life here in the Ohio River Valley. However, as I stand taking in this important piece of Carroll County history, I also remember his slaves and the important role they played with the Sanders family.


KFC'S Colonel Sanders:

[/SUP]
“I'd certainly taste his chicken for him. *Wink*”
~ Oscar Wilde on Colonel Sanders being too drunk to taste his own chicken
“I missed one?!?!?!”
~ Colonel Sanders on the "Why did the chicken cross the road" question
“I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky.”
~ Abraham Lincoln
A native son of Kentuckistan, Adolf "Colonel" Sanders was born Jesus Harland Sanders in 1834. His parents were poor marijuana farmers in an area so remote that no one knew of marijuana and they never made a cent.

Despite crippling poverty, he had a normal childhood and gained no recognition until the outbreak of the Civil War. His family, while poor, was proud as punch since his mama had won the Kentucky Derby two times running. The young Harlan was raised by his uncle, an overseer on a slave-breeding plantation in Hickman County, once his father had gone west to serve under the Nebraska Admirals in a largely-unsuccessful attempt to eke out a living.


wiki links about these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_P._Sanders

Colonel Sanders » Illogicopedia - The nonsensical encyclopedia anyone can mess up



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You have the wrong Sanders!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders

Colonel Harland David Sanders[SUP][a][/SUP] (September 9, 1890 – December 16, 1980) was an American businessman, best known for founding fast food chicken restaurant chain Kentucky Fried Chicken (now known as KFC) and later acting as the company's brand ambassador and symbol. His name and image are still symbols of the company.

(he was born many years after the civil war - slavery was abolished in 1865)
 
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You are exactly part of the problem.

Your right it's 2017 but racism still exists.

What we need to do is address it and thwart it. Not ignore it and say forget about our racial past of this country.

Not only that but we need to properly educate our young children on American History and teach them to love one another regardless of race, religion, ethnicity.

This country was founded on greed, racism, and violence and those three things still plague this country til this day.

Funny how Republicans have the majority in the senate yet Trump is still having a hard time passing certain bills.

I wish ppl would have said the same thing about putting energy to helping our president rebuild our country when President Obama was in office.




It's 2017. We can tear down every statue of any one who ever owned a slave, ban the names of Confederate leaders from use in the public domain, re-fight every battle of the past, etc. and we will not improve the life of one single citizen of this country. Forget the racial past of this country. Spend your energy on helping our president "he was elected to the office" rebuild our country. We can improve the lives of everyone.
 

Billyd

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You are exactly part of the problem.

Your right it's 2017 but racism still exists.

What we need to do is address it and thwart it. Not ignore it and say forget about our racial past of this country.

Not only that but we need to properly educate our young children on American History and teach them to love one another regardless of race, religion, ethnicity.

This country was founded on greed, racism, and violence and those three things still plague this country til this day.

Funny how Republicans have the majority in the senate yet Trump is still having a hard time passing certain bills.

I wish ppl would have said the same thing about putting energy to helping our president rebuild our country when President Obama was in office.
I guess I am part of the problem. I believe that we cannot change the past to make the future better, but we can learn from our mistakes.

You said that "This country was founded on greed, racism, and violence and those three things still plague this country til this day." I don't know where you get this from. The people who built this country, came here to escape the brutality of the religious suppression by the churches or Europe and England. The vast majority arrived here with the clothes on their back, and the desire to be free. This country was built by the blood and sweat shed by them. We became the nation we are today by putting the past behind us, and moving on. God gave every one of us an ability to succeed. We can toss it aside and cry about the past, or we can wipe away the tears of the past, and use our God given abilities for the good of all our brothers and sisters.

Where I live (part of the deep south) the ancestors of most families came to America to escape debtor's prison, escape from the oppression of the Church of England, and/or to make a new life for their children. They ended up in this area because their land was scorched by General Sherman (probably the most brutal officer fighting in the Civil War) and taken by carpet baggers. If you ever get a chance study how the carpet baggers worked. You will understand why racism existed in the south for the next century. Sadly, neither you nor I can change that past. We can only learn from it.

I don't know a single Christian who did not pray for President Obama's success in rebuilding our country into a nation under God. I believe that is the same today.

Remember this. We can not change the past. Tomorrow never comes. Live for God today, because today is all that you have.
 
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I understand that is what we were taught that that out English predecessors came here to the and establish colonies to flee religious persecution from the Church Of England.

However, AFTER our English predecessors came here many of them (not all) partoke in persecuting and force evangelizing against the Natives. Since the Unites States has been declared a country we have been in more wars than peace both civil and foreign wars. Greed is the root of all evil and our American Predecessors were not excused of a greedy mentality when it came to owning land and gaining money and resources through slave trading.

I understand what your saying but their is a high problem of putting our founding fathers on pedestal as if they are GOD himself. Yes, they were brave, intellectuals, and very pivotal in developing this nation. I am grateful for them but not all of their discussion was morally right. The Unites States of America has just as mush blood on our hands as any of these other countries. We must first acknowledge that and then try to not repeat it.

I am happy to have this discussion!

Thank you for hearing me out!






I guess I am part of the problem. I believe that we cannot change the past to make the future better, but we can learn from our mistakes.

You said that "This country was founded on greed, racism, and violence and those three things still plague this country til this day." I don't know where you get this from. The people who built this country, came here to escape the brutality of the religious suppression by the churches or Europe and England. The vast majority arrived here with the clothes on their back, and the desire to be free. This country was built by the blood and sweat shed by them. We became the nation we are today by putting the past behind us, and moving on. God gave every one of us an ability to succeed. We can toss it aside and cry about the past, or we can wipe away the tears of the past, and use our God given abilities for the good of all our brothers and sisters.

Where I live (part of the deep south) the ancestors of most families came to America to escape debtor's prison, escape from the oppression of the Church of England, and/or to make a new life for their children. They ended up in this area because their land was scorched by General Sherman (probably the most brutal officer fighting in the Civil War) and taken by carpet baggers. If you ever get a chance study how the carpet baggers worked. You will understand why racism existed in the south for the next century. Sadly, neither you nor I can change that past. We can only learn from it.

I don't know a single Christian who did not pray for President Obama's success in rebuilding our country into a nation under God. I believe that is the same today.

Remember this. We can not change the past. Tomorrow never comes. Live for God today, because today is all that you have.
 
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kaylagrl

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I understand this wasn't posted to me,but this sentence bothers me...

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[FONT=&quot]The Unites States of America has just as mush blood on our hands as any of these other countries."

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[FONT=&quot]Im not sure which other countries are being compared to the US,but I want to make a point here. The US abolished slavery,they paid reparations to the Indians,they have made up for past wrongs,learned from them and moved forward. No country this side of heaven is going to be perfect,but we need to be thankful we live in the US. My sister just made a missions trip to Africa,her second overseas. She told me when Idi Amin was leader he made people eat their own shoes. So it really bothers me when people don't appreciate the US. There's lots of room to do better,but it could be much,much worse. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]