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I make my healthcare decisions by and for myself. Period. I could care less what Trump, the CDC or anyone else says....and uttery ignore their emotional pleas or demands.

Only a fool is prone to be herded like sheep according to the will of an UNSAVED WORLDLY person and not his own free soverign will....in Christ Jesus.
Amen!
 

cv5

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The fact in Israel is that after six months of being "fully vaccinated" it is not "saving lives".

The fact is we cannot say what the long term effects of the vaccine are. This is why the normal process for approving a vaccine takes 12 years.

The fact is corona virus mutates and there is absolutely no chance that the vaccine or the booster shots will confer anything more than temporary protection for a few months.

The fact is that we have effective treatments for Covid and Covid is not that deadly.

The fact is that natural immunity is better than the immunity from the vaccine.

The fact is that people who are vaccinated are telling others what to do whereas those who are not vaccinated are not telling anyone not to get vaccinated.

The fact is that Fauci is a liar, he has caused tens of thousands of Americans to die from this, and he funded the creation of this virus.
All true....!
 

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You refer to 8 people surviving the judgement. I can't see how anyone can discuss Noah without discussing the fact that it was God's judgement, not on humans getting married, but on angels mating with humans. So then, how could the end of the age be like the days of Noah if you are eliminating the core issue? If there is no judgement for this core issue then it can't be like the days of Noah.
The core issue was: Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the
earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
 

cv5

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What makes you think that you know more/better about the vaccine than Trump though? I get you appreciate the 4 years he gave us, heck, I am too. He was better than Hillary, that's for dang sure. But why would you and a small alt-right group of people think yall know more about this vaccine than Trump, Cruz, Graham, Abbott, etc... These are people that champion freedom and have a track record of going against tyranny. Why is it that they are all so misinformed but YOU got it right?
"What makes you think that you know more/better about the vaccine than Trump though?"

There's your problem. NEVER let someone else do the thinking for you if at all possible.
 

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The core issue was: Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the
earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
There are varying levels of wickedness (sin) on the earth since Adam all the way to today.
Some are, what we would call minor - let's say a poor person steal bread to survive - would you judge that level of sin (wickedness) as worthy of DEATH ? Of course you wouldn't and neither would i but MOST IMPORTANTLY neither does God in the Law.

God clearly stated the levels of sin described in His Law and, prior to the Law, we see them in His Judgements.

The Judgment of the World Wide FLOOD was REQUIRED and EXECUTED by the LORD - Why ???

Becuase people were only wicked? - No, but because of what TYPE of wickedness that was being conducted upon the earth, AND that it was SPREAD throughout where ONLY Noah and a total of 8 souls were saved.

The Falling Away/Antichrist/Beast/MARK are justs as 'in the Days of Noah.'

God is NOT the author of confusion - He makes known His Word to His Sheep who Hear His Voice - which you are a part of.
AMEN
 

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Somebody compared the freedom from taking the vaccine or not to smoking and other health hazards. You can't smoke inside a building anymore... You're kicked to the outside if you light a cigarette... So um, yeah and people are mad for not being let inside if they're not vaccinated? Well people (like me) don't want unvaccinated people spreading this thing to our kids or others if they are immunocompromised.Well [me Ray i am not afraid of the "vacc"But gentiles should be looking to christian as light of hope not the other way around. earth doctors r just that. and it's insane to think hope be in vaccine & not god.]
 
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Somebody compared the freedom from taking the vaccine or not to smoking and other health hazards. You can't smoke inside a building anymore... You're kicked to the outside if you light a cigarette... So um, yeah and people are mad for not being let inside if they're not vaccinated? Well people (like me) don't want unvaccinated people spreading this thing to our kids or others if they are immunocompromised.Well [me Ray i am not afraid of the "vacc"But gentiles should be looking to christian as light of hope not the other way around. earth doctors r just that. and it's insane to think hope be in vaccine & not god.]
You lost me at the phrase "earth doctors"
 

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The research showed less then 10% reported to VAERS - 10% is a High Number
I'm curious though why does VAERS keep coming up? I'm asking because it seems like there's a misunderstanding of the numbers on VAERS being the actual numbers or not.
 

DavidTree

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I'm curious though why does VAERS keep coming up? I'm asking because it seems like there's a misunderstanding of the numbers on VAERS being the actual numbers or not.
A Brother in the Lord was keeping watch over Vaers and caught them DELETING the Deaths and Injuries.
I do not know him personally but witnessed the evidence.
This should not be a shock to any of us who are in the truth, who follow science - Not science fiction.
 

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Why don’t you dig through all 13,000 plus deaths (only 10% of total) due to the vaccine, then come back with your correlation!
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
You can use emotional appeal by showing pictures of people who died tragically, but no matter how many times you do it, it still doesn't make correlation equal causation. I don't think you understand what that even means or you wouldn't be arguing with it.
 

Magenta

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There are varying levels of wickedness (sin) on the earth since Adam all the way to today.
Some are, what we would call minor - let's say a poor person steal bread to survive - would you judge that level of sin (wickedness) as worthy of DEATH ? Of course you wouldn't and neither would i but MOST IMPORTANTLY neither does God in the Law.

God clearly stated the levels of sin described in His Law and, prior to the Law, we see them in His Judgements.

The Judgment of the World Wide FLOOD was REQUIRED and EXECUTED by the LORD - Why ???

Becuase people were only wicked? - No, but because of what TYPE of wickedness that was being conducted upon the earth, AND that it was SPREAD throughout where ONLY Noah and a total of 8 souls were saved.

The Falling Away/Antichrist/Beast/MARK are justs as 'in the Days of Noah.'

God is NOT the author of confusion - He makes known His Word to His Sheep who Hear His Voice - which you are a part of.
AMEN
The text very plainly says "that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
 

DavidTree

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The text very plainly says "that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
EXACTLY - the level of wickedness completely SATURATED the entire being to the point of MIND CONTROL, but by/from WHO???

Again, this 'the Days of Noah' are connected to the MARK
 
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EXACTLY - the level of wickedness completely SATURATED the entire being to the point of MIND CONTROL, but by/from WHO???
Ok, I just made myself a tin foil hat, ain't nobody mind controlling me... I should be ok now. Phew
 

Smoke

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A major adverse reaction to the vaccine is heart disease. The spike proteins cause inflammation of blood vessels, arteries, and heart tissue.
And how is it that we know this is the cause of his death? Everyone who took the vaccine and has a heart attack some time after had one because of the vaccine?

Over 805,000 Americans have a heart attack every year. Over 600,000 are people who have a heart attack for the first time, and 200,000 from people who have already had a heart attack before. Some of the Americans who get vaccinated and bound to get a heart attack regardless of getting vaccinated... Correlation does not equal causation.
 

ZNP

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You can use emotional appeal by showing pictures of people who died tragically, but no matter how many times you do it, it still doesn't make correlation equal causation. I don't think you understand what that even means or you wouldn't be arguing with it.
I realized recently that the best way to shut all this crazy conspiracy theories flying around is for those who are vaccinated to find some university that will look at your blood and see if there is indeed degradation of your blood cells. Simple process really, they take a photo of your blood under high magnification and put it side by side with a photo of healthy blood cells. Even to the untrained eye it should be obvious if there is degradation.
 

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A Brother in the Lord was keeping watch over Vaers and caught them DELETING the Deaths and Injuries.
I do not know him personally but witnessed the evidence.
This should not be a shock to any of us who are in the truth, who follow science - Not science fiction.

Maybe that's the misunderstanding then in what VAERS is and why they would be deleting the numbers. VAERS is part of the CDC https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html and so they keep track of those who died,had adverse reactions after receiving the vaccine. So if someone has taken the vaccine and died or had a problem then it is reported to VAERS then they investigate each case to see if it was related to the vaccine or not. If it was not related to the vaccine then the case is eliminated from the totals on VAERS site.
 

ZNP

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And how is it that we know this is the cause of his death? Everyone who took the vaccine and has a heart attack some time after had one because of the vaccine?

Over 805,000 Americans have a heart attack every year. Over 600,000 are people who have a heart attack for the first time, and 200,000 from people who have already had a heart attack before. Some of the Americans who get vaccinated and bound to get a heart attack regardless of getting vaccinated... Correlation does not equal causation.
I agree that correlation does not equal causation and I agree that we don't know that the vaccine caused his death. If I was a close relative I would want to see an autopsy of the heart. Then we could know.

However, there is a "causation" for why these two things are correlated (once we have eliminated random chance). Simply saying you haven't proved that one is the cause of the other doesn't change the fact that we still need to find the causation.
 

Smoke

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I'm glad you asked.

First, any of us who are not anti vaxxers (I am not anti vax) would have gladly welcomed Pfizer and others making a vaccine against Covid. That is not an issue.

However, as evidence comes out that Covid was a virus made in a bioweapons lab and was an act of war (Trump had some idea of this but more evidence has come out since) and since evidence has come out that Fauci funded this research, lied about, and tried to hide this fact all while undermining President Trump (probably something that Trump was not aware of or at least not fully aware of) and since we now know that Fauci cheered those governors who caused the greatest number of deaths (Cuomo, etc) all while lying about the efficacy of HCQ which probably killed tens of thousands of Americans. These are things that we know now that Trump either didn't know or didn't fully know and would make any competent thinking person question what is going on.

Not only so this took place during the height of his campaign for reelection which must have consumed a lot of his time and distracted him whereas we have had 12 months to carefully peruse the information.

Still, Trump was no longer in office when the vast majority of Americans were vaccinated. All of my concerns about this vaccine are a result of doctors raising alarms from what they are seeing, observations that have all taken place after Trump left office.
So is it your opinion that Trump is willful ignorant NOW? He encourages people to get the vaccine even to this day, as does Ted Cruz, Lindsay Graham, Greg Abbott, etc... So Trump and his disciples were in the dark at the time... since then you have been enlightened about the "poison vax" but they still remain jaded and in the dark? Does Trump and the his followers in office all want us to die/get poisoned from the vax or are they just wilfully ignorant?