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ZNP

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You asked Aidan to prove Tucker admitted he lies, and he did. Is it that hard to say, "My bad. I never saw this before?" instead of getting defensive?? Admitting we were wrong should be fairly easy for us Christians.
This is what Aidan1 said
"What is mainstream media? Not all what you are calling mainstream is reporting false.
There are also reports which you can find inmeyical yournals. You will not find their Informations you tube. Because there interest is not for to get Klicks.
You as Christian should not believe what pleases you, but what is true.
Believing people who known for their false Informations will not fit to trust in.
Like a Tucker Carlson from fox news, who confess openly to lie."


The point he made was that you should not be listening to Tucker Carlson because he spreads false information and has confessed to openly lie.

That is a misrepresentation of what Tucker "confessed". He did not confess to openly spreading false information on his TV show.

However, we do know that the NY Times and WAPO have been exposed numerous times for openly spreading false information. Just take the Hunter Biden laptop as only one example and all of the mainstream media were guilty. Not merely of suppressing the story but more importantly of spreading lies concerning the story.

At this point the number of lies spread by CNN and MSNBC are just too numerous to count, but of course the one about Antifa protests being "mostly peaceful" as the city burns in the background has become iconic.

I agree with the main point that once you know one of these "trusted news sources" is lying to you intentionally (like the NY Times did when they portrayed some low level hack in a cubicle across town as a high level official in Trump's cabinet, or when Project Veritas exposed CNN as nothing more than the propaganda wing for the Biden reelection team) at that point you stop listening to them.

I have stopped listening to Fauci, he is a liar. I have crossed NY Times, WAPO, CNN and MSNBC off my list as well. I am extremely wary of FOX news but will listen to Tucker.

One other point should be made, who says who is "mainstream media"? If it is based on ratings then Tucker Carlson is mainstream while Brian Stelter, Chris Cuomo, Rachel Maddow and Joy Behar are not. As the ratings take a bath it will be hard to justify considering CNN and MSNBC as anything more than left wing propaganda sites. I suspect the only thing propping these companies up is money from Tech giants like Facebook.
 

Genipher

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this will keep happening until people get their heads on straight and stop with the extra biblical sources and the musings of all the online false prophets, seers and dreamers

I guess you've seen the thread by Winnie in which she claims God gave her a dream in which He told her straight out that the vaccine IS the mark

first off, why do you need to pray and pray and pray ...she said she asked God for many months...when scripture ALREADY tells us about the mark and where it will be given

I firmly believe many things still have to happen and it is not yet the time that all these so called prophets say that it is....deception is not a gift of the Holy Spirit and no matter how holy and wonderful all these people sound, they are not speaking for God

and I have no trouble saying any of that
I see nothing wrong with people "dreaming dreams" or "prophesying". Though as soon as they're made out to be false, they can never be trusted again.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy... Acts 2:17-18
 

Genipher

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This is what Aidan1 said
"What is mainstream media? Not all what you are calling mainstream is reporting false.
There are also reports which you can find inmeyical yournals. You will not find their Informations you tube. Because there interest is not for to get Klicks.
You as Christian should not believe what pleases you, but what is true.
Believing people who known for their false Informations will not fit to trust in.
Like a Tucker Carlson from fox news, who confess openly to lie."


The point he made was that you should not be listening to Tucker Carlson because he spreads false information and has confessed to openly lie.

That is a misrepresentation of what Tucker "confessed". He did not confess to openly spreading false information on his TV show.

However, we do know that the NY Times and WAPO have been exposed numerous times for openly spreading false information. Just take the Hunter Biden laptop as only one example and all of the mainstream media were guilty. Not merely of suppressing the story but more importantly of spreading lies concerning the story.

At this point the number of lies spread by CNN and MSNBC are just too numerous to count, but of course the one about Antifa protests being "mostly peaceful" as the city burns in the background has become iconic.

I agree with the main point that once you know one of these "trusted news sources" is lying to you intentionally (like the NY Times did when they portrayed some low level hack in a cubicle across town as a high level official in Trump's cabinet, or when Project Veritas exposed CNN as nothing more than the propaganda wing for the Biden reelection team) at that point you stop listening to them.

I have stopped listening to Fauci, he is a liar. I have crossed NY Times, WAPO, CNN and MSNBC off my list as well. I am extremely wary of FOX news but will listen to Tucker.
Did you listen to the video clip? Tucker said he "tries not to lie on t.v." which sounds like he does, at times, lie on t.v. Otherwise he would have said he never lies on t.v.

How many times is it okay for a person to lie before they become untrustworthy?

I don't trust the MSM. They're liars, for sure. But we have to take everything we hear/read/see on any news site with a grain of salt and do our own research to confirm. Even when it comes from Tucker Carlson's mouth.

Oh, and someone from another country (ahem, Aidan) might very well ask what "mainstream media" is. I'm pretty sure they have their own media in Germany and listen to them. Just as we wouldn't know their "main sources of media", they might not know ours. Maybe give the benefit of doubt?
 

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I see nothing wrong with people "dreaming dreams" or "prophesying". Though as soon as they're made out to be false, they can never be trusted again.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy... Acts 2:17-18
ok
 

ZNP

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Did you listen to the video clip? Tucker said he "tries not to lie on t.v." which sounds like he does, at times, lie on t.v. Otherwise he would have said he never lies on t.v.

How many times is it okay for a person to lie before it's "bad"?

I don't trust the MSM. They're liars, for sure. But we have to take everything we hear/read/see on any news site with a grain of salt and do our own research to confirm. Even when it comes from Tucker Carlson's mouth.
Yes, I saw the original airing of this. I did get the impression there is pressure from the TV station to toe their corporate line. I also suspect that this was a wink, wink at why he doesn't cover certain stories, because he feels he would be forced to lie if he did. Many conservatives complain about Tucker not covering certain stories.

I used to work for the School but decided to retire when they mandated the vaccine. I considered staying until the 24th so I could speak strongly against it. However, if you were not vaccinated on the first day of school you would be classified as "non compliant". This told me that to choose that path would have been contrary to the Bible's charge that we are to be subject to the authorities. Sovereignly I was interviewed by the TV during the recent protest in NYC and everyone at my school saw that. So I was able to make a very strong statement to all teachers and students (I had also sent a letter to everyone when I retired) and I did it while being subject because I was retired and no longer worked for the DOE.

We recently saw General Milly go behind the President of the US to promise China he would give them an advance warning if the US were to attack! That is conspiracy to commit treason. It is lawless. If he objected to the President he could resign, but as long as he is in that position he needs to be subject to the president.

Tucker is in the same position and faced with the same issue. He has the highest rated TV news show in the US. That is very influential and helpful at getting out the truth. He could resign in protest and start a new show on his own or he can stay there and stay within whatever boundaries they establish. As a publisher Fox has the right to determine what does and what does not go on the air, they will be held liable for whatever goes on so that is reasonable (unlike the Tech giants who have an exemption).

Any adult with a triple digit IQ should be able to understand what Tucker was saying.
 

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I believe in freedom of speech...
I don't believe in MSM Lies and SM censorship...
I believe that the DS has brainwashed society with their control of biased Media, Celebrities and corrupt Politicians...
I believe alternative Christian Patriot news sources provide access to more information for people to use discernment to determine and realize the TRUTH...
I believe anyone who blindly dismisses and attempts to counter these alternative news sources are either Asleep, Brainwashed, or unknowingly on the side of the DS evil Diobalical Agenda...
the point he was trying to make was he would tell a lie from time to time, while other media lies most of the time, the same thing i .
tucker works for fox news. fox news is mostly controlled opposition. they are not that truthful over all, he is the best of the bunch.


that is why i get my info from independent media, without big corporation and big phrma writing them big checks that " encourage " them to report in a certain way...


also, interesting that you CAN do a little research on tucker, but you CAN"T do any research on all the vaccine side effects presented here...
Well, you are free to believe whom you want.
But if it is not true. Which profit you have?
The most claimings of such sources you cant proof or guaranty their truth.
No serious medical would deny that that the vaccine has sideeffects! (As every vaccine has) And so far I know nobody has.
But, compare with the virus, this is far less than the effects the virus makes.
 

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Any adult with a triple digit IQ should be able to understand what Tucker was saying.
Hm. I was about to agree with you until the end there. Now all I can see is the veiled "you're stupid" comment.
 

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How many times is it okay for a person to lie before they become untrustworthy?
I trust the person that says they lie sometimes, and is not happy about it, waaaay more than the person who says he never lies.

Don’t hear what I’m not saying. Lying is sinful and wrong, and we should all strive to always be truthful, but I think his main point was that cnn, msnbc, cbs, nbc, abc…etc, PRACTICE lying. It’s their natural language.
 

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Well, you are free to believe whom you want.
But if it is not true. Which profit you have?
The most claimings of such sources you cant proof or guaranty their truth.
No serious medical would deny that that the vaccine has sideeffects! (As every vaccine has) And so far I know nobody has.
But, compare with the virus, this is far less than the effects the virus makes.
Thank you for acknowledging our freedoms to conduct our own research to look at all sources and to discern for ourselves what is the most trusted and believable TRUTH, factoring in all the efforts from one side to censor, stifle and dismiss any provided Medical Science perspectives that do not confirm to what the DS wants the public to know...
If you take the time to read 80percent of my posts on this thread you will have to acknowledge the fact that A LOT of Medical Experts, facts and evidence are available that are more credible than the FAKE MSM, the corrupt WHO and proven liar in Dr Fauci...
Case in point, the most USEFUL measure of effectiveness for CV19 and the Vax is the DEATH RATE... You will notice that NONE of your sources will OVERTLY report the Death Rate and Survivability Rate...
Because the truth is that there is a +99percent survivability rate... But you and everyone else who still watches MSM and trusts the CDC have been BLINDED to that FACT as their AGENDA is to instill FEAR upon everyone who blindly drinks their cool-aid...
The rest of the World is Waking Up to the DS CONSPIRACY of deceipt, as they now acknowledge it is no longer a THEORY, their hidden Diobalical Agenda is and has been Proven every day. How else can you explain that you are so oblivious to these other Medical Experts opinions... let that sink in...
 

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Well, you are free to believe whom you want.
But if it is not true. Which profit you have?
The most claimings of such sources you cant proof or guaranty their truth.
No serious medical would deny that that the vaccine has sideeffects! (As every vaccine has) And so far I know nobody has.
But, compare with the virus, this is far less than the effects the virus makes.
You took the shot so you are immune. I choose not to take it. Thats the thing about liberals. They want to force their choices on eveyone else. There is a name for that.
 

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Hm. I was about to agree with you until the end there. Now all I can see is the veiled "you're stupid" comment.
Not every adult has the ability to discern, 100 is supposed to be average IQ, if someone has an IQ of 70 I don't hold it against them if they are unable to discern deceit. It is simply a fact of life.
 

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Read the article.
Tucker is guilty of admitting to being human.

That was the context of his comments.

Those that say they never lie are liars.

Like all sin, we confess it and the Lord cleanses us.

The left has latched on to him admitting his humanity and are trying to make it seem like anything he reports on is false.

Revoltingly disgusting! Especially coming from supposed “Christians “.
Tucker was only an example. But if someoneins in his Position, that millions watching his shows and believe what he is telling, then he has an special responibility. Right?
Do you know now to distiguish what from them all what he is telling is true or lie?
The most sources you are useing going in this direction. Not proofable, false information, making profit. No adwise how to handle seriously with this pandemie. Giving no help, but spreading fear and uncernity.
 

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You took the shot so you are immune. I choose not to take it. Thats the thing about liberals. They want to force their choices on eveyone else. There is a name for that.
I work in a hospital, I took the shoot. I dont know it will be more in Future. Nobody knows. It seems it will be needed if it is with the flu. Because the immunity longs around 6 month.
We will see.
Normaly it runs with this Kind of virus, that all people over short or long will be confrontet with him. Vaccination is beside a natural immunity the best way to fight against it. Because nobody knows before he got it, he is immune or not.
And go away to politic this virus. It makes no difference between, rep or dem or communist or whatever.
 

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well the thing with Aidan is that he is relentless in mocking anything a person says who will not take the vaccine and it would be typical for him to exaggerate and say something not true

so it is not out of place for someone to call him on it

I really can no longer put into words what I think about the left and the constant demonic lies.
Tell me were i am telling lies!
 

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So you believe a right conspiracy theory spreader? Questionable source!
What's questionable is why mainstream media IS NOT playing actual words spoken caught on camera from some medical professionals discussing ways to scare people with numbers that aren't totally just to use!

It's what they said, they said, THEY SAID not Alex Jones....but THEM! See it on that video from time 18:00 to 22:00

I think Aidan you should allow yourself the FREEDOM to see things outside your own echo chamber. You might find yourself questioning alright....but you'll be questioning just why mainstream media ARE NOT reporting and allowing any voice of dissent to be a part of the mix.

You don't like Alex Jones? FINE! listen to what those health professionals were saying in their ZOOM call! You can't call that Alex Jones! It's them! For reason that you can't find it likewise being played in the type of media you like should be alarming to you. Why? Because it's those health professionals doing the talking! Well you don't want to know that they said? OK fine but maybe you shouldn't try to pretend that you're wanting people to be accountable for what they say. It'd just go down as because it's not on YOUR media....you won't listen to it. I say if THEY SAID, they said certain things which shouldn't have been said THEY have to give account for it. Sorry but anyone insisting anything less than this have their heads stuck in the sand.
 

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Not every adult has the ability to discern, 100 is supposed to be average IQ, if someone has an IQ of 70 I don't hold it against them if they are unable to discern deceit. It is simply a fact of life.
Honestly, I have no idea what my IQ is but I totally understood what Tucker was getting at. It still stands to reason that if he's willing to lie even once on t.v., he's broken the trust.
 

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Honestly, I have no idea what my IQ is but I totally understood what Tucker was getting at. It still stands to reason that if he's willing to lie even once on t.v., he's broken the trust.
well that IQ gos down with your age unless u keep learning its a primitive test. And you gave a Nicolaition answers secular one that is...There's a better test in the secular sense Emotional intelligents..of course your 2 be as a child an adult to weend of milk
 

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I work in a hospital, I took the shoot. I dont know it will be more in Future. Nobody knows. It seems it will be needed if it is with the flu. Because the immunity longs around 6 month.
We will see.
Normaly it runs with this Kind of virus, that all people over short or long will be confrontet with him. Vaccination is beside a natural immunity the best way to fight against it. Because nobody knows before he got it, he is immune or not.
And go away to politic this virus. It makes no difference between, rep or dem or communist or whatever.
Oh but it is very political. Liberals are pushing this untested juice on TV, in the media and social media including this site. As for booster injections you will be getting them for months or years to come. Its part of the agenda. You will need new shots every time they say there is a new variant of this flu.
 

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Oh but it is very political. Liberals are pushing this untested juice on TV, in the media and social media including this site. As for booster injections you will be getting them for months or years to come. Its part of the agenda. You will need new shots every time they say there is a new variant of this flu.
yea but only 2 nation one of good and 1 of evil..I might b 2 if i was secular and owned those stocks.2 things to remember we r not fighting flesh & they oppose them self's not us.
 

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Tell me were i am telling lies!
well if it is the truth to you, then it cannot be lies, riight?

same goes for Tucker

and aren't you getting bold with your leftist propaganda :rolleyes: