Pregnancies from rape a "gift from God"?????

[celestemekent]

Official Republican Senate Campaign Committee Backs Mourdock, Defends ‘Gift From God’ Statement

By Rebecca Leber posted from ThinkProgress Justice on Oct 24, 2012 at 10:57 am

Indiana Senate nominee Richard Mourdock (R)

In a debate on Tuesday night, Indiana GOP Senate candidate Richard Mourdock said that raped women should not be permitted access to an abortion, because the pregnancy is a “gift from God, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape.” A top Republican has already jumped to Mourdock’s defense. National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) Chair Sen. John Cornyn (TX), the Republican tasked with overseeing the GOP’s Senate elections strategy, immediately defended Mourdock in a statement on Wednesday morning:

“Richard and I, along with millions of Americans – including even Joe Donnelly – believe that life is a gift from God. To try and construe his words as anything other than a restatement of that belief is irresponsible and ridiculous.”
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Two months ago, the NRSC disavowed Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin after he claimed “legitimate rape” does not lead to pregnancy. Cornyn was one of the first Republicans to condemn Akin, calling for him to exit. “Congressman Akin’s statements were wrong, offensive, and indefensible,” Cornyn said. “I recognize that this is a difficult time for him, but over the next twenty-four hours, Congressman Akin should carefully consider what is best for him, his family, the Republican Party, and the values that he cares about and has fought for throughout his career in public service.” However, weeks later, the NRSC quietly considered reentering the Missouri race. Cornyn said, “we hope Todd Akin wins in November.”
Mourdock, part of a growing number of Republicans hoping to deny abortion access to women, received a high-level endorsement from Mitt Romney earlier this week.


From Think Progrerss [Of course neither of them will ever get pregnant due to rape so they are safe.]

 

[jimmydiggs]

Psalm 127:3
Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward.

Is the child any less a reward, despite the less than ideal conception?

 

[Nautilus]

Yes because thats what a woman wants an lifelong reminder of the tragedy that happened to her...

 

[jimmydiggs]

Yes because thats what a woman wants an lifelong reminder of the tragedy that happened to her...

So it might be undesirable for a woman to raise the child,does that mean God is wrong?


It's probably a good thing Jesus doesn't have the same attitude toward the Cross. Afterall, do you really think Jesus wants an eternal reminder (us) of the tragedy (crucifixion) that happened to him?

Is the principle you claim to adhere to, really the one you adhere to?

 

[djness]

I know at least two women personally who were raped and kept the kid, not just kept the child without an abortion, but actually have kept and raised the kid and loved them.

 

[Nautilus]

So it might be undesirable for a woman to raise the child,does that mean God is wrong?


It's probably a good thing Jesus doesn't have the same attitude toward the Cross. Afterall, do you really think Jesus wants an eternal reminder (us) of the tragedy (crucifixion) that happened to him?

Is the principle you claim to adhere to, really the one you adhere to?

Well since he came knowing what the result and goal was I would say thats a little different then someone being raped. Seeing how rapes aren't actually planned. And yes I do think if a woman is raped she is well within her rights to get an abortion immediately. Not allowing that option is cruel and unusual for the victim. And before you say it no i dont think its cruel and unusual to the fetus. I dont think life begins until birth. And sense I dont take a strictly literal interpretation of scripture the two verses people throw around to counter that arent going to change my mind.

 

[Wilfred]

i would like to believe that only the Lord can create life.
when i was in high school this happened to one of my female friends and she kept the child, raising and loving him.
luckily her parents and friends have been supportive, because single parenthood is mighty tough i have observed.
i have an awful lot of admiration for her, for this.

 

[Dude653]

Yes because thats what a woman wants an lifelong reminder of the tragedy that happened to her...

I understand your point, but it still does not excuse murding an unborn child.

 

[Paullister]

It all depends on how you look at it. Lets say a woman gets raped and is scarred forever but it doesnt result in a pregnancy. OR the woman gets raped, shes scarred for life and it results in a pregnancy as well. 2 or 3 things can happen. One that the child will be a blessing to her life and the baby will help her get over that tragic event, 2 the baby might make her remember that tragic moment and she will hate the child (sincerely doubt it), 3 she will remember that tragic moment and she will also remember that she killed that baby when it resulted in pregnancy (which would probably make her feel worse about everything later on down the road of life) SO heres the solution. One, cut out the access of killing the baby, God's creation. She can have the baby when its born and if it brings Joy to her than praise the Lord, or if the baby brings her depression and she can't get over it at least she can give the baby over for adoption and the life of the baby is still saved. You never know if you just kill the baby in the womb and don't give it a chance to be a blessing either to the mother( helping her get over that tragic event in her life by bringing her joy) or helping the world through God's plan for him/her.

 

[Hava91]

I was raped and kept my child because he STOPPED me from ending me life. that was my personal choice. i dissagree that women shouldnt have that option. i believe they should. i PERSONALLY dont believe in abrtion but i perfectly understand the emotions from rape and the choices you have to make and everything that ggoes with it. i made my choice because of my life my belief and my circumstance. but i believe women should have the right to choose. and the statement abt "legitimate rape" is so far beyond the line of **edited**that i cant even express my rage at that statement. excuse my language

 

[Nautilus]

I not saying any raped person should get an abortion...but the option should be there.

 

[AngelFlower]

i disagree with this sorry

 

[OFM]

republican have it in the RNC Platform to support Rape and Women getting Pregnant this way.

So how christian are they mitt whats his face as a mormon has no problem with this cause 3 times he refused to speack out agianist he should be married to AnNe Coultier instead

 

[celestemekent]

Adam did not become human until his first breath, and likewise do all of the rest of us. No breath, no life.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

For all of you who proclaim the Bible is literally true, tell us why this is not true.

 

[jimmydiggs]

republican have it in the RNC Platform to support Rape and Women getting Pregnant this way.

So how christian are they mitt whats his face as a mormon has no problem with this cause 3 times he refused to speack out agianist he should be married to AnNe Coultier instead

I'm from Missouri, and you're going to have to show me. I don't see anything in the RNC platform that supports rape.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Adam did not become human until his first breath, and likewise do all of the rest of us. No breath, no life.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

For all of you who proclaim the Bible is literally true, tell us why this is not true.

 

[CaseyIsAwesome]

I think that if a women is raped she should have the baby and if does not want he/she, give him or her up for adoption. Bless someones life with the child. I do not support abortion. Many people who adopt want baby's anyway. I think it would be the right thing to do.Baby's are alive before they are born. They have a heart beat and they move. It would be like murder to kill the baby. But we live in a sinful world and its a shame that a life no matter how small can be taken away from them and they have no choice in the matter.

 

[celestemekent]

What if the woman is not Christian say a Hindu or Muslim must they meet the Christian standard, why? How about if she is an atheist?

btw jimmydiggs I am very offended at that cartoon drawing


the cartoon graphic tells us nothing about Genesis and when a fetus is a human being. You obviously have not thought for two seconds about that verse and what it means. Frankly I am fed up with males telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. The doctor patient relationship should be protected from the government at all costs

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Traditionally, Christian opinion has strongly resisted the deliberate termination of any pregnancy. Tertullian is typical of early authorities in denouncing abortion as ‘a precipitation of murder’, because ‘he also is a man who is about to be one’ (Apologia 9). Augustine took a slightly softer line by positing a critical point of ‘ensoulment’ (sixty to eighty days after conception), before which abortion was a criminal but not a capital offence, but such a dualistic approach is now widely discredited.

The chief theological ground for a strict anti-abortion stance is the conviction that every human being is made in God’s image from the time of conception (cf. Gn. 1:27). Life-taking, like life-giving, is God’s prerogative, and man needs a special mandate to end any human being’s physical existence. Permission to kill is given by Scripture in carefully defined circumstances as a response to injustice (specifically murder and war, cf. Gn. 9:6; 1 Ki. 2:5–6), but no foetus has done anything to deserve the death penalty. Abortion, therefore, is morally bad.

Biblical support for this conclusion is often found in the OT’s allusions to life before birth (e.g. Ps. 139:13–17; Je. 1:5; Ec. 11:5) and in the NT’s use of the Greek word brephos to describe both a fetus and a child (Lk. 1:41; 2:12). These references assume continuity of personhood on both sides of birth.

A rigid ‘no abortion’ policy has been challenged in three ways. First, the Roman Catholic Church (which is otherwise implacably opposed to abortion) allows for a pregnancy to be terminated, under the ethical law of ‘double effect’, when a procedure intended to save the mother-to-be’s life (such as hysterectomy for cancer) results in the death of the fetus.

Secondly, some Protestant theologians argue that the fetus is a potential person, rather than an actual person with potential. While a fetus demands care and respect at any stage of its existence, its claim to life is proportional to its stage of development. Plausible though this theory sounds, it does not easily square with the Bible’s stress on personhood’s continuum, and it is by no means simple to apply in practice.

Thirdly, and most radically, Christian situationists contend that love alone must dictate the decision whether or not to abort in a particular case. Compassion for the woman (if her life or health is threatened) or for the unborn child (if he or she is likely to be born deformed or defective) may dictate the ending of a pregnancy. Furthermore, they argue, because love must always choose the maximum benefit for the greatest number, abortion may be indicated when the baby is unwanted by the family, by society—or, for that matter, by an overcrowded world.

Situation ethics has come under heavy fire from Christians who accept Scripture’s authority. Nowhere does the Bible teach that love replaces divine principle or overrides divine law. Nor does it support the utilitarian assumption that the best actions can be calculated by counting heads.

Nevertheless, the situationist’s stress on compassion is a salutary and biblical reminder that those who oppose abortion on principle are obliged to find practical, loving alternatives for women with unwanted pregnancies (cf. Jas. 2:14–17).

I would also add that God's grace extends to women who have chosen to have abortions. His wish is that they would not engage in sexual relations until after marriage with a godly man and follow the model of a nuclear family; however, that doesn't always happen.

So while Imago Dei and the sanctity of life are issues of great importance to God: so are you. Forgiveness certainly is available to people (including Christians) who have had abortions (for whatever reason). If that's you, God wants you to learn from your experiences and grow from them so that you will be wise and able to help others.

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[OFM]

I'm from Missouri, and you're going to have to show me. I don't see anything in the RNC platform that supports rape.

they verbally sayit in press confernces and debates all the time mitt whats his face will not take a stand and refuses to deny it cause thier all his friends and hate 47 % of all women and his view is the same its true but they are not christian they follow some form of pagan satanism satan worship......