Public apology to liberals: We need to work together to save the world--

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MattforJesus

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I would love a world where we could get rid of political parties that is ruining this nation.
The political parties are for a reason,because we have freedom,and choice,in this nation more than some other nations,so there will be many different beliefs,and opinions,which America wants to show the world that all people can get along despite their differences,which on the back of the dollar bill,out of many,one.

And the reason that America wants to show the world that all ethnic groups,and religions,and lifestyles,can get along is to gather the nations together,which on the back of the dollar bill,announcing the conception of a new order of the ages.

And although there are more than one political party,it is the democrat,and republican,that is in the running for president,and other positions,for one thing they are the most popular,but that is how they like it,because of their opposition to each other.

When the nations come together the world will be split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and it will be operated by the traits of both America and Russia,a melding of the two.

The Hegel System.

1.Thesis.
2.Anti-thesis.
3.Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form,a melding of the two,which they believe it will produce a better system.

1.Thesis-America.
2.Anti-thesis-Russia.
3.Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form,a melding of the two,the ten horn kingdom.

Right Wing,and Left Wing,is also a Hegel principle.

It could be America and Russia are working together,and controlled conflict brings about controlled change,and the democrats,and republicans,in the presidency are working together.

After WW1,League of Nations was set up,after WW2,United Nations was set up.

It could be North Korea and America are actually working together,as well as other nations all in the hope of bringing the nations together.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

The only way the nations will come together is if there is wars,and threats,and conflicts,especially when nuclear weapons are involved,and natural disasters,and hunger,and the such,for the world is based on arrogance,and self exaltation,but will be willing to put that aside if it means peace for the world,and the prosperity of their nation,and people.
 

Desertsrose

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Wow, guys...as a Singaporean, Idk what a liberal is, but why do you guys hate them so much? :/
Hi WineRose,


I don't hate a liberal. I'm liberal in some things, conservative in others. But I hate what they're doing. We are to hate sin and that's what I hate.


The political liberals here have become so hateful and militant. And I'm not saying all of them are, but there's a core group with the liberal agenda that tries to speak for all liberals so they all get a bad rap as if the whole is as bad as the core that's out to destroy America and anything that's good and moral. They riot, demand their way and are scheming to destroy America as a nation who's history was based on Christian principles. It's truly a spiritual battle.


It's all hard to understand being an American, so I understand when other nations don't comprehend what's really going on. The seeds of evil were planted years ago and continue to be planted. We're now seeing much of the fruit that's been sown in secret. Satan is truly rising his ugly head. We need to hope and pray that it's not too late to turn things around and to return to being a Godly nation that operates on God's truth.
 

kaylagrl

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I'm a liberal and I'd venture a guess that most of the ones posting here don't hate me. I don't wear a mask, I don't believe the same way a lot of liberals believe but I don't believe a lot of what the conservatives hold to either.

I don't care to be called a snowflake because I'm a Blond and feel I'm flaky enough already. I am not looking for an apology but I also don't want my patriotism to be questioned as I love my country. I want us to love each other, take care of those who are unable to take care of themselves and keep social security strong as I'm getting old now and will need it in a few years.

Even though I don't believe in a lot of life style choices I do believe people have a right to have and make a choice. God allows us to make a choice so I'm pro choice. God does not force us to obey Him He asks us to choose to obey Him.

So I'm hoping that I am at least one liberal that some of you have learned to tolerate as I don't feel that I'm that horrible of a human that some of the political threads have made liberals out to be. So there you have my 2 cents and it comes from a liberal.
Im going to start this out by saying I have liberal friends,Christian and not Christian.When I met him,my hubby was a liberal {I guess Im good at making my case lol} So I don't hate liberals but as a Christian I cannot support the agenda they now espouse. I don't see them coming back to the center either. But I do take issue with one comment you made.And really I see you as a sister in the Lord and respect you. But to say "God allows us to choose therefore Im pro-choice " is a statement I really can't comprehend. Are you saying God isn't against abortion? I really don't understand how one can support abortion,not only because it is murder,but also because of Planned Parenthoods founder,Sanger,was a racist and believed in eugenics. I can't see how God would be ok with that.
 

PennEd

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I'm a liberal and I'd venture a guess that most of the ones posting here don't hate me. I don't wear a mask, I don't believe the same way a lot of liberals believe but I don't believe a lot of what the conservatives hold to either.

I don't care to be called a snowflake because I'm a Blond and feel I'm flaky enough already. I am not looking for an apology but I also don't want my patriotism to be questioned as I love my country. I want us to love each other, take care of those who are unable to take care of themselves and keep social security strong as I'm getting old now and will need it in a few years.

Even though I don't believe in a lot of life style choices I do believe people have a right to have and make a choice. God allows us to make a choice so I'm pro choice. God does not force us to obey Him He asks us to choose to obey Him.

So I'm hoping that I am at least one liberal that some of you have learned to tolerate as I don't feel that I'm that horrible of a human that some of the political threads have made liberals out to be. So there you have my 2 cents and it comes from a liberal.
I CERTAINLY don't hate you, or any other person for that matter. From what I have seen from you over the years is nothing but love for everybody. I consider you my sister in Christ.

Having said that, I'm truly baffled by your statement that you are pro choice because people should have the LEGAL means to disobey God, even when it comes to murder. I know you didn't use the word legal, but that's what it comes down to when you say you are pro-choice, and vote for those that promote abortion.

Either abortion is the taking of an innocent human life or it isn't. So either an unborn baby is a human being, in which case abortion is premeditated murder, or it isn't and it's just a mass of cells, in which case we should never feel bad about eliminating. I don't see how it's possible to believe it is a baby, yet still support murdering it?

And when we get into the debate about the reasons WHY it would be ok to kill a baby, if that's what you think it is, then we start playing God.

I have spoken with those over the years, my sister is one, who say THEY would never have an abortion because they believe it is a human, but don't want to impose their belief on others. I simply am unable to comprehend this idea. Murder is wrong for them, but they don't want to tell others murder is wrong and should be illegal.

But to reiterate, I have ZERO animosity toward you, or others for believing this.
 

Magenta

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I would venture to guess that Darlene did not mean
pro choice in terms of abortion, but I could be wrong...
 

Susanna

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I'm a liberal and I'd venture a guess that most of the ones posting here don't hate me. I don't wear a mask, I don't believe the same way a lot of liberals believe but I don't believe a lot of what the conservatives hold to either.

I don't care to be called a snowflake because I'm a Blond and feel I'm flaky enough already. I am not looking for an apology but I also don't want my patriotism to be questioned as I love my country. I want us to love each other, take care of those who are unable to take care of themselves and keep social security strong as I'm getting old now and will need it in a few years.

Even though I don't believe in a lot of life style choices I do believe people have a right to have and make a choice. God allows us to make a choice so I'm pro choice. God does not force us to obey Him He asks us to choose to obey Him.

So I'm hoping that I am at least one liberal that some of you have learned to tolerate as I don't feel that I'm that horrible of a human that some of the political threads have made liberals out to be. So there you have my 2 cents and it comes from a liberal.
I don't know whether I'm a liberal or a conservative. I don't care. I'm not what righteous people would label a good Christian, but I don't care about that either. I'm against abortion, I'm pro gun, a Republican supporting the President, but also a horrible sinner, drinking, smoking, using foul language to an extent that my daugther has expressed some concerns when it comes to me baby sitting. LOL.

You come across a nice and caring lady, so I don't think the labels are that important. Some people on here are obsessed with labels, they are Grace or works people, but keep attacking each other viciously. I have never seen you doing that. If that's a liberal, I'd much rather be a liberal than a so called conservative.
 

kaylagrl

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I would venture to guess that Darlene did not mean
pro choice in terms of abortion, but I could be wrong...

​ Yes,I wasn't sure either,so Im not wanting to jump anyone. Perhaps she'll explain more clearly.
 

Magenta

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​ Yes,I wasn't sure either,so Im not wanting to jump anyone. Perhaps she'll explain more clearly.
The problem of course is a slippery slope of allowing anyone to do whatever they please simply because they have the freedom to do so, with the protection afforded by the laws special interests groups seek to have changed, some of which have been changed already, to favor their choices.
 

kaylagrl

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I don't know whether I'm a liberal or a conservative. I don't care. I'm not what righteous people would label a good Christian, but I don't care about that either. I'm against abortion, I'm pro gun, a Republican supporting the President, but also a horrible sinner, drinking, smoking, using foul language to an extent that my daugther has expressed some concerns when it comes to me baby sitting. LOL.

You come across a nice and caring lady, so I don't think the labels are that important. Some people on here are obsessed with labels, they are Grace or works people, but keep attacking each other viciously. I have never seen you doing that. If that's a liberal, I'd much rather be a liberal than a so called conservative.

Well the issue is that "progressive liberals" have taken the party so far left that you can't even see them from here. And so they support 564744 different genders,homosexuality,strict gun control,BLM/Antifa and women wearing vaginas on their heads and Socialism. As a Christian there is nothing that I see that I could support there,not one thing. So that puts me in the Rep. category.You can take away the labels of both parties and that wouldn't change my position one iota. I'm gonna cling to my Bible and my guns and continue being deplorable. I make no apologies for that and never will.
 

slave

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I would love a world where we could get rid of political parties that is ruining this nation.
Hi Socreta,Actually it's the evil wicked heart we're dealing with. The political parties are used for their platform. So in and of itself, a political party isn't the problem. The divide is there even if you throw out a political party. But the political party is a part of they system.......and it's a system without God.
There is One out there....it's called the resurrected-life; the Spirit-filled life; the life of righteousness. Outside of that, the Bible tells us there is no such party (outside of ruin). That's why (politically) governmentally speaking, the World Order is not God's order (it is Satan's, even still, as God has control over it). The Kingdom of God is here represented as His Church, but we now are in the World but not of it any longer - adopted and set apart, yet, living to do the will of the Father....We won't save the World, we will save individuals as we let God be lifted up so He can draw all men unto Himself.
 

Magenta

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Back in the seventies when gay rights' activists influenced the declassification of homosexuality as a disorder, critics warned that it would eventually lead to acceptance of other types of sexual deviancy, including pedophilia. Supporters of the “gay” lifestyle decried the comparison, insisting that no such thing would ever occur.

However, the critics were right on the mark.

In 2003, a group of mental health professionals formed B4U-Act to begin a slow but inexorable push to redefine pedophilia as a sexual orientation in the same way homosexuality was in the 1970s.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/gay-laws-set-stage-for-pedophilia-rights/

The same people that cry and riot and break the law because they do not get what they want, while their split tongues talk about needing protection, pretend they are tolerant of other viewpoints, while they attempt to shut anyone down who opposes their view. We see this happening under our very noses.
 

slave

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There is One out there....it's called the resurrected-life; the Spirit-filled life; the life of righteousness. Outside of that, the Bible tells us there is no such party (outside of ruin). That's why (politically) governmentally speaking, the World Order is not God's order (it is Satan's, even still, as God has control over it). The Kingdom of God is here represented as His Church, but we now are in the World but not of it any longer - adopted and set apart, yet, living to do the will of the Father....We won't save the World, we will save individuals as we let God be lifted up so He can draw all men unto Himself.
REQUIRED OF EVERY CHRISTIAN:

(1). TO BE SUBJECT TO THE GOVERNMENT UNLESS IT ASKS US TO DISOBEY GOD (Romans 13:1); (1 PET. 2:13-14); (ACTS 4:19-20); 5:29); (DANIEL 1, 3, 6).

(2). TO GRANT PROPER HONOR TO THOSE IN AUTHORITY (ROM. 13:7; 1 PET. 2:17).

(3). TO DO RIGHT AND COOPERATE WITH GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES WHENEVER POSSIBLE (TITUS 3:1-2; 1 PET. 2:15).

(4). TO PAY TAXES (ROM. 13:6, 7; MATT. 22:17-21).

(5). TO PRAY FOR GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES (1 TIM. 2:1-2).

(6). TO EVANGELIZE AND DISCIPLE GOVERNMENT LEADERS WHEN POSSIBLE (1 TIM. 2:3-40); (Matt. 28:19); PAUL’S EXAMPLE WITH FELIX, FESTUS, AGRIPPA, AND OTHERS).

(7). TO BE INFORMED AND VOTE FOR CANDIDATES AND ISSUES WHICH WILL, TO THE BEST DEGREE POSSIBLE, UPHOLD GOD’S PURPOSES FOR GOVERNMENT (MATT. 5:13-16; TITUS 3:1).

The Bible does not address voting directly because democracy was not practiced then. Some Christians argue that we are citizens of heaven and thus should not get involved at all in politics. But we are also citizens of this earth. Since we are given a say in who rules over us, not to vote is to allow the ungodly to win.

B. "OPTIONAL" FOR CHRISTIANS ACCORDING TO GIFTS AND CALLING:

(1). TO HELP INFORM THE CHURCH REGARDING CANDIDATES OR IMPORTANT LEGISLATION THAT RELATES TO BIBLICAL ISSUES.

Not all of us have the time to stay informed. If you are so gifted and led, help us out. Let us know about important petitions that we can sign to endorse moral legislation.

(2). TO WORK AS VOLUNTEERS OR SUPPORTING STAFF FOR POLITICIANS WHO UPHOLD JUSTICE AND MORALITY.

This is not required of every believer, but it may be the legitimate calling of some.

(3). TO RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE.

Again, this must be a matter of personal calling before God. It may be on a local level (school board, city council, etc.) or on a state or national level. The church ought to be supplying the government with men and women of integrity who fear God. Government is a difficult place to maintain a strong testimony for Christ. But there are two notable examples in the Bible of men who served well in pagan governments: Joseph in Egypt, and Daniel in Babylon. In essence, Christ must be Lord of our political views.Our seeking is in Him first, and all these other things will be added unto you in affect as He wills it.

 

Desertsrose

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I would venture to guess that Darlene did not mean pro choice in terms of abortion, but I could be wrong...
Right, I didn't get that from her post either. I thought she meant it in a generalized sense of the word.
 

Depleted

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Wow, guys...as a Singaporean, Idk what a liberal is, but why do you guys hate them so much? :/
In basic, but realistic terms, liberals are the ones who think government ought to help people.

Conservatives are the ones who think government should take care of defense for the nation and infrastructure only.

But what has happened in the First World Nations is that the loudmouths, on both sides, have skipped what they believe in to try and get that which makes it easiest on them.

And because of that, at least in America, we got to choose between two people who claimed they were one or the other, (liberal or conservative), but weren't either. Even in our choice for President the loudmouths won! (And would have still won, if the other party had won.)

So, don't worry so much about what Americans consider liberal or conservative. Even the liberals and conservatives have forgotten what it means to be liberal or conservative. We're simply out for hate now.

Hate has become the agenda that unites us.
 

Depleted

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Hi WineRose,


I don't hate a liberal. I'm liberal in some things, conservative in others. But I hate what they're doing. We are to hate sin and that's what I hate.


The political liberals here have become so hateful and militant. And I'm not saying all of them are, but there's a core group with the liberal agenda that tries to speak for all liberals so they all get a bad rap as if the whole is as bad as the core that's out to destroy America and anything that's good and moral. They riot, demand their way and are scheming to destroy America as a nation who's history was based on Christian principles. It's truly a spiritual battle.


It's all hard to understand being an American, so I understand when other nations don't comprehend what's really going on. The seeds of evil were planted years ago and continue to be planted. We're now seeing much of the fruit that's been sown in secret. Satan is truly rising his ugly head. We need to hope and pray that it's not too late to turn things around and to return to being a Godly nation that operates on God's truth.
Actually, it's not the liberals who hate. It's the anarchists.

And because of their hate, hate has bloomed well in this country.
 

kaylagrl

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In basic, but realistic terms, liberals are the ones who think government ought to help people.

Conservatives are the ones who think government should take care of defense for the nation and infrastructure only.

But what has happened in the First World Nations is that the loudmouths, on both sides, have skipped what they believe in to try and get that which makes it easiest on them.

And because of that, at least in America, we got to choose between two people who claimed they were one or the other, (liberal or conservative), but weren't either. Even in our choice for President the loudmouths won! (And would have still won, if the other party had won.)

So, don't worry so much about what Americans consider liberal or conservative. Even the liberals and conservatives have forgotten what it means to be liberal or conservative. We're simply out for hate now.

Hate has become the agenda that unites us.

I disagree with several things here. But I know I won't get to hug the bears if I say what Im thinking.
:( So Im not gonna say what Im thinkin.
 

Socreta93

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do not be defined by your party, define your party.
 

JesusLives

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Im going to start this out by saying I have liberal friends,Christian and not Christian.When I met him,my hubby was a liberal {I guess Im good at making my case lol} So I don't hate liberals but as a Christian I cannot support the agenda they now espouse. I don't see them coming back to the center either. But I do take issue with one comment you made.And really I see you as a sister in the Lord and respect you. But to say "God allows us to choose therefore Im pro-choice " is a statement I really can't comprehend. Are you saying God isn't against abortion? I really don't understand how one can support abortion,not only because it is murder,but also because of Planned Parenthoods founder,Sanger,was a racist and believed in eugenics. I can't see how God would be ok with that.
The WORLD has made pro choice and abortion issue.

I am Pro Choice in every aspect meaning God gave us all a Pro Choice ability to even go against the 10 Commandments if that is what we chose to do.

He asks us to love and if we love Him to choose to obey the outline He gave us. God does not force us to obey Him God gives us a choice and to that end I am also Pro Choice in that I believe everyone has a right to choose to do as they want but I would love it as God would love it if we always chose the way which is the right way falling in line with obedience to the 10 Commandments so when I say I am Pro Choice that is what I mean not the worldly view that abortion is pro choice.

Do you understand my Blond way of thinking? Or have I just muddied up the water?
 

JesusLives

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I would venture to guess that Darlene did not mean
pro choice in terms of abortion, but I could be wrong...

Magenta you are a sister in Christ who is really starting to get to know me and the Blond that I am. You are correct in your and my way of thinking.... Thanks for having my back.
 

JesusLives

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The way I see it the political parties need each other so that we don't go too far one way or the other a kind of checks and balance system. But in the last few elections there has certainly been division and hate that is getting louder and louder and I really don't want to be a part of that at all.

When my niece Julie just visited a couple of weeks ago I was telling her we have to be the change we want to see so love and care for those in your corner. I have started to hold my tongue and try to keep out of the really political threads as I believe they just continue to promote hate, I really don't want to hate and I do pray for our President as he needs our prayers because the country is so divided.

I try to be kind to those around me and brighten my corner where I am to be the change I'd like to see in the country and I will continue to do that. No matter what political party anyone is associated with when it is all boiled down we are ALL Americans.