Putin got it right this time

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Dude653

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Britain and the USA bombed whole cities, do you remember Dresden, Berlin, Cologne, Hanover, and Emden?

The USA nuked cities in Japan.

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
A full scale invasion of Japan probably would have cost even more lives.
Maybe they should have thought about that before they attacked the US
 

Dude653

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ZNP

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It also has nothing to do with the topic we're discussing
On the contrary it is a violation of moral norms which is what Putin said in his speech referenced in the first post. That is what "we" are talking about, you don't get to decide what the thread is about, it is defined in the first post. What Nehemiah has posted is evidence that supports Putin's claims.
 

ZNP

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A full scale invasion of Japan probably would have cost even more lives.
Maybe they should have thought about that before they attacked the US
Yes, well the US set a precedent that it is OK to use nuclear bombs if it will "probably save more lives". You cannot condemn Russia if they use nukes based on the same reasoning.

Yes, Japan attacked the US first, but prior to that we cut off their oil supply. It has been argued by many historians that FDR intentionally provoked Japan into attacking so he could manipulate the US into joining WWII, seems hypocritical to then justify nuking them. Likewise Russia did invade Ukraine but it does seem they were provoked by the US and if the shoe had been on the other foot as it was with the Cuba missile crisis the US would be justifying going to war with Cuba.
 

Dude653

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On the contrary it is a violation of moral norms which is what Putin said in his speech referenced in the first post. That is what "we" are talking about, you don't get to decide what the thread is about, it is defined in the first post. What Nehemiah has posted is evidence that supports Putin's claims.
Moral norms like criminalizing christianity?
Taking moral advice from Vladimir Putin is like taking driving lessons from Stevie Wonder
You know how Christians pretend to be persecuted in america? Go try your luck in Russia and let me know how that works out for you since you like Putin so much
 

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A full scale invasion of Japan probably would have cost even more lives.
Maybe they should have thought about that before they attacked the US
Cost more lives?

Old people, women, children, or the lives of soldiers?

The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nuclear weapons is the subject of debate, down to this day.
 

Dude653

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Cost more lives?

Old people, women, children, or the lives of soldiers?

The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nuclear weapons is the subject of debate, down to this day.
I believe this is referred to (expletive) around and find out
 

ZNP

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I believe this is referred to (expletive) around and find out
I think it is safe to say it saved the lives of American soldiers.

However, look at the precedent. If our justifying the bombing of two cities leads to Russia justifying the bombing of our cities, then that has to be part of the ultimate calculation.
 

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Its not illegal to be a or practice Christianity in Russia. They are strict as to what is allowed. The cults like Jehova witness and mormons are considered extremist groups and not allowed along with many western evangelical "denominations". The Eastern Orthodox Church is very prolific and is the largest Christian church in Russia.
It is against the law to "evangelize" out side of a recognized church building. And you will be treated harsh if you break their law.
They also mandated that all clergy, religious leaders, and missionaries who were trained abroad take a course in “state-confessional relations in the Russian Federation” and then become recertified by a centralized religious organization.
That being said if we have become so corrupt that even a totalitarian says we are cringe. Its a sad commentary about us.
 

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A full scale invasion of Japan probably would have cost even more lives.
Maybe they should have thought about that before they attacked the US
The Japanese knew when they attacked Pearl Harbor that their fate was sealed. I have seen a documentary on that.
 

Dude653

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Its not illegal to be a or practice Christianity in Russia. They are strict as to what is allowed. The cults like Jehova witness and mormons are considered extremist groups and not allowed along with many western evangelical "denominations". The Eastern Orthodox Church is very prolific and is the largest Christian church in Russia.
It is against the law to "evangelize" out side of a recognized church building. And you will be treated harsh if you break their law.
They also mandated that all clergy, religious leaders, and missionaries who were trained abroad take a course in “state-confessional relations in the Russian Federation” and then become recertified by a centralized religious organization.
That being said if we have become so corrupt that even a totalitarian says we are cringe. Its a sad commentary about us.
Jesus literally instructed his followers to go out and evangelize.
So people are going to jail in Russia for doing what Jesus instructed them to do. I'm trying to figure out why Christians are gassing up Putin like he's a hero or something
 
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If Russia and the West go to War, as some prophecies suggest, it will be World War III and millions if not billions will probably die. Many souls could be lost. The Anti-Christ will probably show up with a "solution" after that. Pray for Peace.

In war news, Russia's forces have lost ground around Kherson in the south.

"Russia's forces occupying Ukraine's southern Black Sea region of Kherson have suffered major territorial losses to Kyiv's troops over recent days, maps published by Moscow's defence ministry showed on Tuesday."

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...-ukraine-s-kherson-region-11664899173458.html
 

Dude653

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If Russia and the West go to War, as some prophecies suggest, it will be World War III and millions if not billions will probably die. Many souls could be lost. The Anti-Christ will probably show up with a "solution" after that. Pray for Peace.

In war news, Russia's forces have lost ground around Kherson in the south.

"Russia's forces occupying Ukraine's southern Black Sea region of Kherson have suffered major territorial losses to Kyiv's troops over recent days, maps published by Moscow's defence ministry showed on Tuesday."

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...-ukraine-s-kherson-region-11664899173458.html
The only countries supporting Putin or third world countries so if it came down to world war iii, they would not stand a chance against America and our allies
 
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Don't be so sure. While I'm pro-Ukraine in this fight, Communist and former Communist countries like China, North Korea and Russia are now closely allied; Putin is forming alliances with Iran and other Islamist States, many of whom have long wanted to invade Europe. Pray, pray, pray. The hour is late imo. This is coming upon the world mainly because of our abortions and other sins. We must pray, repent and turn back to God wholeheartedly to mitigate what is to come imo.

I don't know if you've heard of the prophecies of Alois Irlmaier who died in 1959. What he predicted is eerily close to what is happening now: "Current events are reminiscent of Alois Irlmaier’s World War II prophecies ...

Just a few months ago it was considered impossible for many that the mysterious seer could be right in his predictions for our time. The danger of a Russian invasion? A Chinese attack on the US? A devastating nuclear war on European soil? And generally, who believes in prophecies? Ever since the Russians invaded Ukraine, more and more people have been pointing out frightening parallels.

Alois Irlmaier was a simple farmer’s son from Upper Bavaria. A well builder by trade, he became known to a larger public during his lifetime – from 1894 to 1959. In his visions he saw events that were to take place either during his lifetime or in the distant future. According to the reports and documents, in the case of events that were close in time, he was very often 100% right."

https://www.vikendi.net/2022/03/14/...t-of-alois-irlmaiers-world-war-ii-prophecies/
 

ZNP

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The only countries supporting Putin or third world countries so if it came down to world war iii, they would not stand a chance against America and our allies
Post #55 in "Putin got it right this time"

Let's see how well this ages.
 

Dude653

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Post #55 in "Putin got it right this time"

Let's see how well this ages.
America has the most powerful military in the world. There's a reason why Red Dawn is fiction
 

ZNP

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Don't be so sure. While I'm pro-Ukraine in this fight, Communist and former Communist countries like China, North Korea and Russia are now closely allied; Putin is forming alliances with Iran and other Islamist States, many of whom have long wanted to invade Europe. Pray, pray, pray. The hour is late imo. This is coming upon the world mainly because of our abortions and other sins. We must pray, repent and turn back to God wholeheartedly to mitigate what is to come imo.

I don't know if you've heard of the prophecies of Alois Irlmaier who died in 1959. What he predicted is eerily close to what is happening now: "Current events are reminiscent of Alois Irlmaier’s World War II prophecies ...

Just a few months ago it was considered impossible for many that the mysterious seer could be right in his predictions for our time. The danger of a Russian invasion? A Chinese attack on the US? A devastating nuclear war on European soil? And generally, who believes in prophecies? Ever since the Russians invaded Ukraine, more and more people have been pointing out frightening parallels.

Alois Irlmaier was a simple farmer’s son from Upper Bavaria. A well builder by trade, he became known to a larger public during his lifetime – from 1894 to 1959. In his visions he saw events that were to take place either during his lifetime or in the distant future. According to the reports and documents, in the case of events that were close in time, he was very often 100% right."

https://www.vikendi.net/2022/03/14/...t-of-alois-irlmaiers-world-war-ii-prophecies/
For Germany, Irlmaier predicted:
  • There is more prosperity than ever before
  • This is followed by a drastic apostasy and corruption of morals
  • First, many strangers would come to Germany.
  • Then there will be great inflation.
  • Then a revolution follows.
OK, we have seen the first four but not the last one.

In one vision he said "the big guy" would be assassinated and in another he said the President of the US is assassinated.
 

ZNP

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America has the most powerful military in the world. There's a reason why Red Dawn is fiction
Time will tell, Post #55,