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Locutus

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So where was Mike Pence while all this news was happening? Too busy trying to fight LGBTQ rights.
 
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kaylagrl

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I've traveled to many 3rd world countries - but would never call them "sh*tholes" as Resident Trump did.

i was in Afghanistan for the second time when the Russian backed coup happened in 1978.

As was said, not the same as living there.
 
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Susanna

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I've traveled to many 3rd world countries - but would never call them "sh*tholes" as Resident Trump did.

i was in Afghanistan for the second time when the Russian backed coup happened in 1978.
What did you do there?
 

Locutus

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What did you do there?
Both times just traveling around the place, smoking some hash, sipping tea with the locals. First time I was in VW van with a bed in the back, second time with a school bus converted to an RV. On the second trip I lived in Kathmandu for 9 months. Rented a small house in the valley with a flat roof top view of the mountains - awesome.

After that worked with an English missionary doing simple medical work in Kashmir and in the mountains for 3 months.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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So where was Mike Pence while all this news was happening? Too busy trying to fight LGBTQ rights.

try to keep up

it has been going on much longer than the last 2 years

do you support Christians in another country?

do you pray for them?

do you actually give 2 pence?
 

Locutus

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This is a pic I took in Kashmir - the missionary is in the blue shirt - this was around 8000 feet in mountains around Pahalgam:

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7seasrekeyed

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of course you won't read or hear about this on liberal news media or read about it when searching for articles to denigrate conservatives or Christians


Pence: US Will Bypass UN and Aid Persecuted Iraqi Christians Directly
Vice president reveals USAID will provide direct assistance to religious minorities targeted by ISIS.

During a speech to advocates for the persecuted church, Mike Pence unveiled plans for the United States to provide more direct aid to Christians and other minorities facing genocide in the Middle East.



The vice president reiterated the Trump administration’s commitment to defending religious groups persecuted by ISIS, announcing plans to visit the region in December and a strategic shift away from funding “ineffective” United Nations programs. Instead, Pence said President Donald Trump has directed the State Department to send aid directly through USAID and faith-based partners.
“We will no longer rely on the United Nations alone to assist persecuted Christians and minorities in the wake of genocide and the atrocities of terrorist groups,” Pence told the crowd gathered in Washington, DC, for the annual summit of In Defense of Christians (IDC).
“The United States will work hand in hand from this day forward with faith-based groups and private organizations to help those who are persecuted for their faith. This is the moment, now is the time, and America will support these people in their hour of need.”
The Christian population in the region has dwindled significantly, with two-thirds of believers in Iraq and Syria fleeing since 2011. A 2014 CT cover story by Philip Jenkins assessed how Iraqi Christians were “on the edge of extinction.”
“This is good news and we want to thank President Trump, Vice President Pence, and all those who have been working diligently on this issue,” said Frank Wolf, distinguished senior fellow at the 21st Century Wilberforce Initiative. “This should impact humanitarian aid for those living as internally displaced persons and refugees and stabilization assistance for the Christians and Yazidis returning to areas seized from them by ISIS.”
The US has committed millions to the United Nations Development Program (UNDP), which some have called out for not doing more to help Christians in Iraq in particular.
“The money has been spent, but not on the Christian refugees,” Nina Shea, director of the Center for Religious Freedom at the Hudson Institute, told conservative news site LifeZette. “The UN has proven itself to be extremely politicized and unaccountable and should be the last body charged with millions—even billions—of dollars of aid to help persecuted minorities on the brink of extinction.”
Pence himself echoed the UN critique at the event.
“Here is the sad reality. The United Nations claims that more than 160 projects are in Christian areas. But for a third of those projects, there are no Christians to help,” he said. “The believers in Nineveh Iraq have had less than 2 percent of their housing needs addressed and the majority of Christians and Yazidis remain in shelters. Projects that are supposedly marked finished have little more than a UN flag hung outside an unusable building, in many cases a school.”
Many experts on humanitarian efforts in the region agreed that the United States made the right move in shifting its approach, though questions remain about the logistics and specifics about the plan Pence referenced.
“It’s the right move. The question is, ‘Are we ready for it?’” said Chris Seiple, president emeritus of the Institute for Global
 
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con't

Engagement (IGE).
Even with the shift away from UN projects, advocates agree oversight will continue to be a challenge.
“The UN projects for the minorities have been called insignificant and cosmetic by the Christian leaders on the ground. There have been persistent reports of pay-to-play in the UN’s awarding of contracts,” Shea told CT. “Now USAID and its contractors will face a big responsibility to ensure they listen to authentic community voices about the projects most needed, and to ensure corruption is not again a large-scale problem.”
Since reconstruction is one of the only areas of economic activity in the Nineveh Plains region at this point, hiring local Christians to help rebuild is expected to draw displaced believers back to the area, according to Shea. While critics saw the UN as overlooking geo-political and spiritual factors in humanitarian disasters, the new US plan allows for intentional focus on religious forces and relationships between faith groups.
“Everybody wins if the Nineveh Plains is stable, bottom line. You have to start with the people who live there and used to live there, and that’s mostly religious minorities. And they want to stay,” said Seiple. “There’s nothing wrong with going where there is the greatest need.”
The vice president tweeted clips from his remarks, including his plans to visit the Middle East at the end of the year “to deliver the message that it is time to bring an end to the persecution of Christians.”
Religious groups including the Knights of Columbus and Aid to the Church in Need are already actively involved in rebuilding efforts. The Knights applauded Pence’s announcement, stating, “The real world impact it will have on the survival of threatened minority communities cannot be underestimated.”
Open Doors USA, which is working to rebuild homes along the Nineveh Plains, also praised the move. “We are hoping and praying for a new future for those who have had to flee in the midst of severe persecution,” the group stated. “We are grateful for the commitment of this administration to preserving these ancient Christian communities, among other religious minority groups.”
Though direct support to local churches, the government of Hungary has given 1.9 million euros toward rebuilding homes in the northern Iraq village of Telskuf, World Watch Monitor reported. This week, the returned Christians families in Telskuf had to flee again due to tension between Iraqi and Kurdish troops.
In his keynote IDC address, Pence did not offer further details on which organizations or which projects in particular the government will be partnering with. The vice president repeatedly brought up Trump’s directives and concern over the situation in the Middle East.
“Let me assure you tonight, President Trump and I see these crimes for what they are: vile acts of persecution animated by hatred for Christians in the gospel of Christ,” Pence said. “And so too does this president know who and what has perpetrated these crimes and he calls them by name: radical Islamic terrorists.”
How the country responds to the new approach in Iraq will largely depend on “how it’s going to be played by our president,” Seiple said.
Seiple, who made eight trips to Iraq between 2014 and 2016, is hopeful that the administration will follow up the announcement by turning to strong leaders and organizations on the ground in the Middle East. He also praised the work of current USAID administrator Mark Green. Seiple is looking for the US government to tell a story of Muslims, Christians, and other faiths coming together for a common cause in the region: supporting the best local initiatives to reconcile and rebuild.
“Everything that’s done in relief and development has to embed reconciliation, or else there’s no way in hell it’ll work,” he said, referencing the destruction of trust between religious and political factions in the Middle East.
Some US Christians have pushed back against the Trump administration’s immigration and refugee policy, asking the president not to deport Iraqi Christians back to their genocidal homeland and pushing back against restrictions on refugee admittance.
The evangelical aid group World Relief said Trump’s latest order on refugees, issued earlier this week after the previous ban expired, still keeps the US from doing what it can to protect persecuted Christians.
“In 2017, the US admitted far fewer Christian refugees than in prior years due to the ban on citizens of these countries and the reduction in the overall numbers of refugees allowed to find safety in America,” according to Emily Gray, a senior vice president at World Relief.
Last year, then-Secretary of State John Kerry officially designated ISIS’s atrocities against Christians and other religious minorities as genocide. The current administration, including Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, has continued to use that designation.
Tillerson focused this year’s international religious freedom report on the genocide, saying, “ISIS has and continues to target members of multiple religions and ethnicities for rape, kidnapping, enslavement, and death. The protection of these groups—and others who are targets of violent extremism—remains a human rights priority for the Trump administration.”
The vice president also spoke at the World Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians last May.
The IDC event was sponsored by Christian organizations such as the Philos Project, the Institute on Religion and Democracy, and the Religious Freedom Institute.

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Locutus

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try to keep up

it has been going on much longer than the last 2 years

do you support Christians in another country?

do you pray for them?

do you actually give 2 pence?
I don't do my alms before men or wolfies BigSmile.gif
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I don't do my alms before men or wolfies View attachment 196130
so structuring aid for persecuted Christians is alms now?

if you would keep up with actual Christian organizations and news, you would know about what is being done for persecuted Christians

the actual question every individual has to answer, is what are YOU doing?

you won't have to answer for anyone but yourself when the time comes
 
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Susanna

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Both times just traveling around the place, smoking some hash, sipping tea with the locals. First time I was in VW van with a bed in the back, second time with a school bus converted to an RV. On the second trip I lived in Kathmandu for 9 months. Rented a small house in the valley with a flat roof top view of the mountains - awesome.

After that worked with an English missionary doing simple medical work in Kashmir and in the mountains for 3 months.
You were a weed smoking missionary? That sounds really 70s-ish lol.
 
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Susanna

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I have been to Islamic countries, and it seems to me that many people there are rather lukewarm about their religion, contrary to some of the villains coming to the western countries.
 

Locutus

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I have been to Islamic countries, and it seems to me that many people there are rather lukewarm about their religion, contrary to some of the villains coming to the western countries.
That's true in many cases especially in the rural areas, most want to live in peace and raise their families - the folks in that pic were part of a nomadic tribe that traveled the mountain passes from Pakistan to Kashmir tending their goats - dirt poor but very welcoming,
 
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kaylagrl

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I have been to Islamic countries, and it seems to me that many people there are rather lukewarm about their religion, contrary to some of the villains coming to the western countries.

And that is why there is so much war between Muslims. Some want to be more secular and to the hard core Koran following Muslims they are infidels. The hard core sect will never accept change.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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It means I ain't can't justify myself to you.
fixed it for yah

but let's see why you can't justify yourself here (I didn't ask you to but that's besides the point)

you have at least twice now questioned the character of Mike Pence, VP of the US and I posted plenty of information about what is being done and what Pence is doing

do you respond to that after your sad little challenge?

you do not.

because you cannot

So where was Mike Pence while all this news was happening? Too busy trying to fight LGBTQ rights.
you mock and try to destroy someone's witness, have no witness of your own...I don't think smoking hash in Afghanistan qualifies...(but you certainly were well placed to do so) and when presented with the facts you twist the dialogue and pretend someone is questioning whatever your faith is when you actually scorned Pence and said he was after the LGBTQ community

so you snipe at someone who is in a position to do plenty, who IS doing plenty and then ignore the response to your mocking

it becomes obvious you are just sucking air and spreading smoke

maybe a little less hash and a little more Sunday School would have helped :rolleyes:
 

Locutus

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I didn't have time to read yer 2 posts there Wolfy, neither do I check with CT for news on Pence announcements.
 

Locutus

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but let's see why you can't justify yourself here (I didn't ask you to but that's besides the point)

do you respond to that after your sad little challenge?

you do not.

because you cannot
So which one is you?



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