Russia/Ukraine

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President Zelensky is indeed from a Jewish background, but he has professed faith in Christ's Resurrection. So he is a Jewish Christian, like the Apostles were, not a Jew who doesn't believe in Jesus, as the Pharisees were. Also, his wife and children are baptized Orthodox Christians. Ukraine is like 80% Christian, mostly Orthodox Christian. Here is the video about that.


Some Excerpts:

"Great people of great Ukraine!

Today is a great holiday. And I’m in a great place. The Great St. Sophia Cathedral. In the cathedral, which was founded a thousand years ago, on the field of the sacred battle where the army of Kyivan Rus’-Ukraine defeated the Pechenegs. In the cathedral, which was not destroyed by the Horde invasion or the Nazi occupation, which withstood in spite of everything!

Today we all believe in a new victory for Ukraine. And we are all convinced that we will not be destroyed by any horde or evil.

We are enduring dark times. And on this bright day, most of us are not in bright clothes. But we are fighting for a bright idea. On the bright side. And the truth, people, the Lord and the holy heavenly light are on our side. The power of the patron saint of the human race – Oranta. She is above me. She is above us all.

The unshakable pillar of the Church of Christ, the unbreakable wall of the main stronghold – Kyiv, the Unbreakable Wall of the State. As long as there is Oranta, there is Sophia, and Kyiv stands with her, and the whole of Ukraine stands with them!

Above the image of Oranta are the words from the Psalms: “God dwells in that city; it cannot be destroyed. From the very break of day, God will protect it.” On this Great Day, we all believe that our dawn is coming soon.

Oranta in Latin means “one who prays”. We have all been praying for the last two months. And in the Resurrection of Christ, which symbolizes the great victory of life over death, each of us asks the Lord for one thing. And speaks the same words to heaven. The words of a great and united prayer.

Great and Only God! Save our Ukraine!

Protect those who protect us! Heaven, protect those who defend the native land. Strengthen the will of those who protect us from captivity. Save those who save Ukraine. These are our military, national guards, border guards, our territorial defense, intelligence. These and all our other warriors of light.

Help those who help them. These are volunteers and all people who care. From Ukraine and around the world. Give strength to all who give all their strength. May everyone who seeks always find. May everyone who is on the road always overcome it. And may everyone who does everything possible to save Ukraine never lose faith that everything is possible.

Save the lives of those who save the lives of others. These are all our medics. Our firefighters, rescuers, sappers. May the victory of life be a symbol not only of this holiday. May life win the battle against death every day.

Take care of our mothers. Give endurance to those who are waiting for a son or daughter from the war. Give fortitude to those who, unfortunately, have lost their children on the frontline. Help those who have lost their children in peaceful cities and villages where Russia has brought death to overcome unbearable pain ...

Last year we celebrated Easter at home because of the pandemic. This year we also celebrate the Resurrection of Christ not as we used to. Because of another virus. Because of the plague called war.

Both last year’s and the current threat are united by one thing – nothing can defeat Ukraine.

The great holiday today gives us great hope and unwavering faith that light will overcome darkness, good will overcome evil, life will overcome death, and therefore Ukraine will surely win!

And on Easter, we ask God for great grace to make our great dream come true – this is another great day – the day when great peace will come to Ukraine. And with it – eternal harmony and prosperity.

With faith and confidence in this – I congratulate all of you on Easter.

Take care of yourselves. Take care of your loved ones. Take care of Ukraine!

Christ is Risen!

He is Risen Indeed."
 

cv5

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President Zelensky is indeed from a Jewish background, but he has professed faith in Christ's Resurrection.
A professor is not necessarily a possessor. Taking bribes, dancing on a string like a puppet, and snorting coke is his present occupation. God willing that he should genuinely repent and depart from all of his sinful ways.

Mat 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
 

ZNP

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President Zelensky is indeed from a Jewish background, but he has professed faith in Christ's Resurrection. So he is a Jewish Christian, like the Apostles were, not a Jew who doesn't believe in Jesus, as the Pharisees were. Also, his wife and children are baptized Orthodox Christians. Ukraine is like 80% Christian, mostly Orthodox Christian. Here is the video about that.
I hope for his sake that this is true.
 

Nehemiah6

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President Zelensky is indeed from a Jewish background, but he has professed faith in Christ's Resurrection. So he is a Jewish Christian...
If he is a genuine Christian why is a a war-monger who does not want a negotiated settlement with Russia, and an end to this useless war?

And the Ukrainians are committing as many atrocities as the Russians. And why are all the Western nations so keen to keep on sending him billions of dollars (all going down the drain) and limitless weapons and munitions, unless this is a proxy war for the West?

Biden wanted this war so badly because he did not want Americans to focus on his TOTAL FAILURE as a president, and his total destruction of America. But Zelensky wanted this war for his own ego, not to benefit Ukrainians.
 

Dirtman

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If he is a genuine Christian why is a a war-monger who does not want a negotiated settlement with Russia, and an end to this useless war?

And the Ukrainians are committing as many atrocities as the Russians. And why are all the Western nations so keen to keep on sending him billions of dollars (all going down the drain) and limitless weapons and munitions, unless this is a proxy war for the West?

Biden wanted this war so badly because he did not want Americans to focus on his TOTAL FAILURE as a president, and his total destruction of America. But Zelensky wanted this war for his own ego, not to benefit Ukrainians.
Biden wanted it for more than just a distract from his dismal leadership.
This war is also about energy policy and profits. Russia was supplying up to 40% of European energy oil and gas and with the new pipe line complete they were set to up that to as much as 80%. The UN cant have Russia holding that much control over the European energy sector.
By the way. Thats why i dont believe Russia destroyed that pipeline, Nord stream one. Its a massive money maker and Putin isnt that horrible of a tactician (beside the fact he could just shut off the valves at any time if he so desires.). I think America did that. To cut revenue to Russian and to force European hands. With that gas europeans are less inclined to fight against Russia. With out it there is less reason to remain neutral or uninvolved.
 

Nehemiah6

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By the way. Thats why i dont believe Russia destroyed that pipeline, Nord stream one. Its a massive money maker and Putin isnt that horrible of a tactician (beside the fact he could just shut off the valves at any time if he so desires.). I think America did that.
I believe you are right. And that is why Sweden is refusing to disclose the details of that sabotage, since it will expose America's role in a criminal act. Russia has every right to know who sabotaged the pipeline.

Swedes refuse Russian request for pipeline probe info
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-russian-request-pipeline-probe-info-91322773

Look for another coverup, or total misinformation and disinformation from Sweden.
 

gb9

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If he is a genuine Christian why is a a war-monger who does not want a negotiated settlement with Russia, and an end to this useless war?

And the Ukrainians are committing as many atrocities as the Russians. And why are all the Western nations so keen to keep on sending him billions of dollars (all going down the drain) and limitless weapons and munitions, unless this is a proxy war for the West?

Biden wanted this war so badly because he did not want Americans to focus on his TOTAL FAILURE as a president, and his total destruction of America. But Zelensky wanted this war for his own ego, not to benefit Ukrainians.
if zelensky cared about the people, he would have worked out a peace deal with russia months ago.
instead, he just begs for money, and keeps letting the cites in his country get pounded.
 
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The Art of War:

After shelling your own nuclear power plant, blow up your own gas pipeline and then to ensure victory blow up your own bridge to cut your own supply line.

— Sun Tzu
I think that is Sun-joe Tzbidenu. Sun Tzu's less well-known brother, who led Sun Tzu's enemies into ignoble defeat.
 
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if zelensky cared about the people, he would have worked out a peace deal with russia months ago.
instead, he just begs for money, and keeps letting the cites in his country get pounded.
That's why it's best for a nation's rulers not to be eunuchs or sodomites.
 

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Russia/Ukraine

Ukraine should not achieve certain goals by killing Ukrainian people who are pro Russian. Russia should not wage war because dogs bite dogs.

To discuss right and wrong, both Ukrainians and Russians should go to see God.

Go to see God means dead people is good people.


R.I.P
 

cv5

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I believe you are right. And that is why Sweden is refusing to disclose the details of that sabotage, since it will expose America's role in a criminal act. Russia has every right to know who sabotaged the pipeline.

Swedes refuse Russian request for pipeline probe info
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-russian-request-pipeline-probe-info-91322773

Look for another coverup, or total misinformation and disinformation from Sweden.
Everybody, including journalists of all types, know full well the USA did it.

The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Sabotage
The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Sabotage — MonkeyWerx (monkeywerxus.com)
 
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If he is a genuine Christian why is a a war-monger who does not want a negotiated settlement with Russia, and an end to this useless war?

And the Ukrainians are committing as many atrocities as the Russians. And why are all the Western nations so keen to keep on sending him billions of dollars (all going down the drain) and limitless weapons and munitions, unless this is a proxy war for the West?

Biden wanted this war so badly because he did not want Americans to focus on his TOTAL FAILURE as a president, and his total destruction of America. But Zelensky wanted this war for his own ego, not to benefit Ukrainians.
Hi Nehemiah. Re: the bolded. Disagree. An overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian people support Prez. Zelensky's actions:

Source: "Kyiv, Ukraine – The latest public opinion survey in Ukraine conducted by the International Republican Institute’s (IRI) Center for Insights in Survey Research (CISR) shows that confidence in winning the war against Russia and approval for President Zelensky remain very strong. Most Ukrainians do not believe in conceding any territory and support for NATO membership has spiked.

When asked if they believe Ukraine will win the war, 98% said yes. With regard to President Zelensky, 91% of Ukrainians approve of his job performance.

“The information gathered from this poll is confirmation from our previous survey,” said Stephen Nix, Senior Director for IRI’s Eurasia Division. “Ukrainians are very firm in their conviction that they will be victorious in the conflict against Russia, and they overwhelmingly support the actions of their wartime president.” https://www.iri.org/news/iri-ukrain...-concessions-and-a-spike-for-nato-membership/

It wasn't Ukraine that chose this War. After Putin's 2014 invasion, they ceded Crimaea to Russia in the hope that such appeasement would end Putin's aggression. It did not. In this year's invasion, Russia even attacked Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine. It would be like an enemy attacking Washington, or like Hitler attacking Warsaw in Poland. The Russians thought they would easily capture Kyiv, but they were badly mistaken, could not, and were defeated. Then they made some gains in the South, but Ukraine took most of it back during its recent counter-offensive.

Also, the invasion has led to nearly 15 Million Ukrainians displaced from their homes, either externally or internally. Very bad imo. Source: "The invasion has likely resulted in tens of thousands of deaths on both sides and caused Europe's largest refugee crisis since World War II,[12][13] with an estimated 8 million people being displaced within the country by late May as well as 7.6 million Ukrainians fleeing the country as of 3 October 2022." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

I totally disagree with Pro-Abort leftist Biden on almost everything. But also many Conservatives believe in Peace through Strength (which after all was the Raeganite approach to the Soviet Union) and I agree with what Trump says below here.


God Bless.
 

ZNP

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I think that is Sun-joe Tzbidenu. Sun Tzu's less well-known brother, who led Sun Tzu's enemies into ignoble defeat.
This may be true but there was a story spread that Sun-joe Tzbidenu stood strong against Corn BaBa when he was younger, it was only after he sold his soul to the devil (as well as his kids).
 

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Hi Nehemiah. Re: the bolded. Disagree. An overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian people support Prez. Zelensky's actions:
Politics are a fools game. Total waste of time IMO. For Christians.

If these leaders truly wanted peace.....they would have it. Would they not?

Its all about cash flows, money laundering, resource theft/exploitation, and enslavement of mankind. Little to no redeeming virtues IMO.
 
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Hi Cv5. What if Putin wants War and appeasement is not going to stop him? This reminds me of Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler during the 1930s, we all know that didn't work out. A source on that: "An engaging range of period texts and theme books for AS and A Level history. This book examines the key roles played by Adolf Hitler and Neville Chamberlain in the events that led to the outbreak of the Second World War. It looks at Hitler's foreign-policy aims, why appeasement became British foreign policy and, most extensively, the role of Chamberlain and appeasement in the unfolding international crisis of the late 1930s. Using a wide range of primary sources, Frank McDonough offers a generally critical interpretation of Chamberlain and appeasement, and suggests that standing up to Hitler earlier may have prevented war. The book also features a detailed analysis of the historical debates surrounding the issue of appeasement." https://www.amazon.com/Chamberlain-Appeasement-Cambridge-Perspectives-History/dp/0521000483

Faced with someone who doesn't care that some 15 MN Ukrainians are displaced and suffering, what else can you do but fight? That's why 91% of Ukrainians are in favor of fighting for their freedom. I agree with them too. God Bless.
 

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Understanding Super Villain Math

If you are stuck in the simple math that 2 is bigger than 1 and 4 is bigger than 2 you would never understand why anyone would want war, famine, pestilence, etc.

Instead we need to go on from whole numbers to fractions. 2 is not bigger than 1 if I divide it by 3. That is what inflation is. If I can divide your dollars then it doesn't really matter how many you have. After all which is more 100 US dollars or 200 Venezuelan dollars?

No real wealth can be described as 1, as in 1 pie. If I owned one slice, or one eighth of the pie and I double that to two slices I have just doubled my wealth. How do I do that? Simple, pandemic kills off some who owned a slice, war kills off others who own slices, and famine kills off all those who thought that the rulers of this world would share some of the pizza with them.

So therefore war is good, the more people who die the less pizza the elites have to share.

But, but then why do they want socialism, isn't that sharing the pizza? LOL, funny guy, socialism is when you willingly put the handcuffs on in return for being promised that they would take care of you, and guess what, they are going to take care of you.
 
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"The Ukraine on your news and Ukraine in real life are two completely different countries — and the main difference between them is: Ours is real. You are told we are Nazis. But could a people who lost more than 8 million lives in the battle against Nazism support Nazism?” Zelensky asked, addressing the charges directly in Russian.

The Ukranian president did not explicitly note his Judaism in the address, but mentioned his personal connection to the Holocaust.

“How can I be a Nazi? Explain it to my grandfather, who went through the entire war in the infantry of the Soviet army, and died a colonel in an independent Ukraine.”

Three of Zelensky’s grandfather’s brothers were killed in the Holocaust and Zelensky has been outspoken about his Jewish identity.

Between May and August 2019, Ukraine was the only country other than Israel to have both a Jewish head of government – Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman – and a Jewish head of state, President Zelensky."

https://jewishunpacked.com/can-ukraine-have-a-nazi-problem-with-a-jewish-president/
 

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