Seattle riots against Christian meeting

[Gideon300]

Personally I don't think you informed yourself of the facts, which are that the organizers applied for a permit at a different
park, but the CITY refused and insisted they hold it at that park, which is a popular hangout for queers and whatnot.

The rally organisers were set up, in my opinion. I used to see the gay activists as pretty ridiculous. Not any more. They've captured education, have infiltrated high levels of government and use their influence to undermine Christian morality. They bullied a Muslim majority government into backing down on anti gay laws. That's power. I take them seriously now.

 

[Magenta]

The rally organisers were set up, in my opinion. I used to see the gay activists as pretty ridiculous. Not any more. They've captured education, have infiltrated high levels of government and use their influence to undermine Christian morality. They bullied a Muslim majority government into backing down on anti gay laws. That's power. I take them seriously now.

I do believe there was an element of fomentation on the part of the city officials. I do not think Muslims should
be allowed to throw gay people off rooftops, so some parts of the gay movement are completely understandable.

 

[ResidentAlien]

If Christians followed your advice, eventually no one would preach the gospel anywhere at any time. The world hates us. The park was promoted by the city in order to provoke the riot.

The apostles preaching provoked riots also.

We should not be surprised at the reaction of the world. Jesus said that they would hate us as they hated Him. I don't know why victim blaming is so popular these days. Ukraine is supposedly to blame for Russia's illegal and immoral invasion. Israel is supposedly to blame for Hamas' murderous brutality.

I completely disagree. No one is saying people shouldn't preach the gospel at all; but people should use good sense. If the idea is to evangelize, they should send pairs of evangelists into the park to talk to people individually, get to know them. What they did was just dumb; they could see it coming, or should have.

Yes, Paul caused a riot, but what was his teaching to all the congregations? It wasn't to go out and stir up trouble, but to live peaceably with everyone; at least strive to do so.

 

[Gideon300]

I completely disagree. No one is saying people shouldn't preach the gospel at all; but people should use good sense. If the idea is to evangelize, they should send pairs of evangelists into the park to talk to people individually, get to know them. What they did was just dumb; they could see it coming, or should have.

Yes, Paul caused a riot, but what was his teaching to all the congregations? It wasn't to go out and stir up trouble, but to live peaceably with everyone; at least strive to do so.

The great evangelists of the past, the Wesley brothers, Whitfield and many others were open air preachers. The Wesleys were stoned by the crowd at times. Call them dumb if you wish. They were too dumb to kowtow to the satanic authorities that sought to silence the church. The apostles preached to a crowd on the day of Pentecost. Thousands were saved. You reckon that two disciples wandering around the crowd would have been just as effective? I do not.

You think it would be safer for a couple of believers to go into a crowd of hostile gays and witness to them? I'm not so sure. When Stephen tried it, the crowd stoned him to death. And they were not gay, just religious.

Satan is trying to silence the body of Christ by intimidation, mockery, persecution and lawfare. If we give into that, the Western church will be forced underground like Iran, North Korea or Afghanistan. If that's how you want to live, fine. Personally, I's rather not.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The great evangelists of the past, the Wesley brothers, Whitfield and many others were open air preachers. The Wesleys were stoned by the crowd at times. Call them dumb if you wish. They were too dumb to kowtow to the satanic authorities that sought to silence the church. The apostles preached to a crowd on the day of Pentecost. Thousands were saved. You reckon that two disciples wandering around the crowd would have been just as effective? I do not.

You think it would be safer for a couple of believers to go into a crowd of hostile gays and witness to them? I'm not so sure. When Stephen tried it, the crowd stoned him to death. And they were not gay, just religious.

Satan is trying to silence the body of Christ by intimidation, mockery, persecution and lawfare. If we give into that, the Western church will be forced underground like Iran, North Korea or Afghanistan. If that's how you want to live, fine. Personally, I's rather not.

You're missing the point. The idea of witnessing on an individual basis is to avoid crowds. Try and talk with people; if they resist, thank them for their time and move on. Some homeless ministries I know have the right idea. You have to meet people where they are and show you care before they'll give you the time of day. When you know a group of people is antagonistic and you plow ahead anyway and stir up the hornet's nest, you shouldn't be surprised if you get stung.

I agree Satan would loving nothing more than to silence the body of Christ, that's why we have to be smart. We need to think about how to win souls not score political points. Do you think the stunt they pulled in Seattle actually won anyone over?

 

[ZNP]

The rally organisers were set up, in my opinion. I used to see the gay activists as pretty ridiculous. Not any more. They've captured education, have infiltrated high levels of government and use their influence to undermine Christian morality. They bullied a Muslim majority government into backing down on anti gay laws. That's power. I take them seriously now.

All of that has come at a cost, it used to be people thought they just wanted to be free of persecution but now it is clear they have a much more sinister motive of indoctrinating the children.

 

[ZNP]

I completely disagree. No one is saying people shouldn't preach the gospel at all; but people should use good sense. If the idea is to evangelize, they should send pairs of evangelists into the park to talk to people individually, get to know them. What they did was just dumb; they could see it coming, or should have.

Yes, Paul caused a riot, but what was his teaching to all the congregations? It wasn't to go out and stir up trouble, but to live peaceably with everyone; at least strive to do so.

"As much as is possible". To have a church service in the park when you have a permit is considered normal, common, and reasonable when I was a kid. They are taxpayers, lots of people go to the city to get permits to have functions, parties, barbecues, etc in the park. So then the fact that they did that too is not provocative, nor does it in any way imply they are trying to stir up trouble. So unless there is specific evidence that they were trying to stir up trouble the mere fact that they held a church service in the park is not evidence.

When I was a high school teacher I would walk around the room. Kids sitting in the back would often tell me to leave, that my place was at the front of the room. I would respond that this is my classroom and I can be anywhere in the classroom I please. I wasn't provocative, but I was asserting my right.

That park does not belong to the LGBTQ community anymore than it belongs to the Christian community. It belongs to the citizens of the city. If the LGBTQ community owned an estate, put up signs that it is private property, keep off, and the church decided they would go down onto that property to condemn them, that would be applicable to what Paul said not to do.

 

[ZNP]

I completely disagree. No one is saying people shouldn't preach the gospel at all; but people should use good sense. If the idea is to evangelize, they should send pairs of evangelists into the park to talk to people individually, get to know them. What they did was just dumb; they could see it coming, or should have.

Yes, Paul caused a riot, but what was his teaching to all the congregations? It wasn't to go out and stir up trouble, but to live peaceably with everyone; at least strive to do so.

Your interpretation is typical, when you meet resistance in the gospel you should examine yourself, and no doubt this verse about "as much as is possible be at peace with all men" will be considered.

But Jesus is Lord. If someone can have a fit with a gospel preacher and so the gospel preacher says "my bad, I'll stop" then Jesus is no longer Lord, it is the person having a fit. The rule is given to us in the gospels, if the city tells them Christians are not allowed in that park then you shake off the dust that clings to you and move on to another city. I had this experience on Facebook. I was sharing on the Bible, people had a fit, I stood my ground, I got suspended for 30 days. Facebook did not tell me what the offending post was or what rule I had violated. No warning, no explanation, simply suspended. Since all my posts were based on the Bible I understood they weren't rejecting me, they were rejecting Jesus, so I shook off the dust as a testimony against them. It is very hard to cancel your Facebook account. Their rule is that if at any time in the next 30 days you click on a link to Facebook your account is reopened. They are clingy that way. Since there are links to facebook everywhere it is very easy to actually click on one without thinking. There were probably ten times in that 30 day period where I almost clicked on a link.

Jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against the builded church. If you are not getting attacked by the gates of hell in your ministry then you are not on the front lines. So the attack in and of itself is not proof that the Christians were wrong. Were they trying to provoke this? Were they carrying signs condemning this lifestyle? That would be seen as provocative. Did they choose to preach from Romans 1 at this church service? If so they might want to go before the Lord and see if that was His leading. But, what you don't do is let some unbeliever tell you what you can and cannot do because he is screaming loudly.

 

[Gideon300]

You're missing the point. The idea of witnessing on an individual basis is to avoid crowds. Try and talk with people; if they resist, thank them for their time and move on. Some homeless ministries I know have the right idea. You have to meet people where they are and show you care before they'll give you the time of day. When you know a group of people is antagonistic and you plow ahead anyway and stir up the hornet's nest, you shouldn't be surprised if you get stung.

I agree Satan would loving nothing more than to silence the body of Christ, that's why we have to be smart. We need to think about how to win souls not score political points. Do you think the stunt they pulled in Seattle actually won anyone over?

Some of the greatest revivals ever have been outdoor preachers, including the day of Pentecost. I don't know the results of the Seattle meeting. I was not there. I've done street witnessing. It's hard work. You need to be able to handle rejection and occasional hostility. I've not led anyone to Jesus myself. I do know a couple who were saved some time later as a result of my witness.

It's God's job to save people, by whatever means He chooses. That may well include Seattle type rallies. And God's way is by preaching of the gospel. I suggest that you read Philippians 1 to get Paul's perspective.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The rally was Mayday USA, Saturday, May 24, 2025 in Cal Anderson Park, Seattle. The application for a permit was filed by Tetelestai Ministries, Portland, OR. This group is very Christian nationalist which doesn't really come as that big of a surprise. It's led by "apostle" Jenny Donnelly and her husband.

Donnelly has a bit of a shady past. Her multi-level marketing company (a.k.a. pyramid scheme) AdvoCare was sued by the FTC in 2022 and forced to return $149 million to her distributors.

She's a Dominionist who believes in the 7 Mountain Mandate; that is, the belief that it's God's will for Christians to take over the "7 spheres of influence" which include government, family, education, among others. She was commissioned an "apostle" by Che Ahn, one of the bigwig "apostles" in the NAR, and is good friends with Lance Wallnau, the guy who famously proclaimed that the Donald is King Cyrus.

According to Rolling Stone, "Donnelly is the founder of the Her Voice Movement, which is committed to activating a million women to stand for Christian dominion over American culture and politics in 2024."

Tetelestai is vehemently anti-gay and trans. It's very clear what their agenda was: To stir up trouble and attract attention to themselves and their CN agenda, not to save souls. The more layers you peel back . . . well, you know the rest.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Some of the greatest revivals ever have been outdoor preachers, including the day of Pentecost. I don't know the results of the Seattle meeting. I was not there. I've done street witnessing. It's hard work. You need to be able to handle rejection and occasional hostility. I've not led anyone to Jesus myself. I do know a couple who were saved some time later as a result of my witness.

It's God's job to save people, by whatever means He chooses. That may well include Seattle type rallies. And God's way is by preaching of the gospel. I suggest that you read Philippians 1 to get Paul's perspective.

I probably agree with most of this. The only thing I have a problem with is Christian nationalists with an agenda pretending to care about lost souls. I'll have to leave it there.

 

[ZNP]

The rally was Mayday USA, Saturday, May 24, 2025 in Cal Anderson Park, Seattle. The application for a permit was filed by Tetelestai Ministries, Portland, OR. This group is very Christian nationalist which doesn't really come as that big of a surprise. It's led by "apostle" Jenny Donnelly and her husband.

Donnelly has a bit of a shady past. Her multi-level marketing company (a.k.a. pyramid scheme) AdvoCare was sued by the FTC in 2022 and forced to return $149 million to her distributors.

She's a Dominionist who believes in the 7 Mountain Mandate; that is, the belief that it's God's will for Christians to take over the "7 spheres of influence" which include government, family, education, among others. She was commissioned an "apostle" by Che Ahn, one of the bigwig "apostles" in the NAR, and is good friends with Lance Wallnau, the guy who famously proclaimed that the Donald is King Cyrus.

According to Rolling Stone, "Donnelly is the founder of the Her Voice Movement, which is committed to activating a million women to stand for Christian dominion over American culture and politics in 2024."

Tetelestai is vehemently anti-gay and trans. It's very clear what their agenda was: To stir up trouble and attract attention to themselves and their CN agenda, not to save souls. The more layers you peel back . . . well, you know the rest.

Well then I would expect there are videos from phones that support this.

If this is indeed the case and not simply slander then calling this a Christian church service is not how I would characterize this.

This is what Donnelly says on the website you referenced

Dear friend,
Our nation is in a crisis.
One in five Generation-Z self-identify as LGBTQ+, and there are still states where abortion remains legal, some even up to full-term. How did we get here and what can we do about it?
First, our silence is our enemy.
If you kill a mama bear, her cubs become open for attack. In the same way, if you silence a woman, her children become vulnerable to the enemy. To break the chain of silence, we must encounter the Chain Breaker, Jesus!
Second, if we fight alone, we lose.
This is why we created Prayer Hubs, small groups (2-10 people) who gather to pray once a month to bring change to every sphere of culture!
Third, we must stand.
If we don’t STAND for all of the Truth, our children will FALL for all of the lies. Did you know that other countries have rallied in their streets by the millions to bravely STAND for Truth to protect God’s design for family and gender? And it’s working! These nations are turning back to God.
Women, this is your Esther moment.
You must not be silent at a time like this!
This is why I’m boldly inviting you to engage in strategic opportunities to turn this crisis around. In the following pages, you’ll see how you can join us in the fight for our children, our families, and our nation.
You have a voice and you have a choice.
The times are urgent,
Jenny Donnelly
Founder, HVM

Again, I will not let Rolling Stone magazine or unbelievers characterize Christians. I have no issue with everything she says here and see no reason why women in their communities cannot pray and take a stand for their children.