Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support

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Dude653

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But what Alex Jones really should be in prison for is claiming that his vitamins supplements treat covid when they don't. That's called fraud
 

HealthAndHappiness

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John 3.18
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

This is the need that I had and the world....3.16 for sure.
I believe that the Father made Christ Lord in spite of our disobedience to Him as such.
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Acts 2.36
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Our role is to believe in Him apart from works.
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Then after complete faith in Christ at that point in time is spiritual birth into His family. As a family member, and to express love, I believe at that point on is growth and submission to His Lordship. I see that as separate from the free gift of salvation.
 

Dude653

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And you missed my point: Empathy is a subjective feeling. This is moral relativism, and no free society will stand on such a foundation for long.
Empathy is a product of mirror neurons
When you see someone experiencing Joy or sadness, the same neurons fire in your brain so your brain wants to feel the emotion too... That's why we want to cry when we watch sad movies
 
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Gojira

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No. You're wrong again
Moral relativism is saying that we shouldn't criticize a particular culture for treating women like property and making them walk around in trash bags and 130° weather
Empathy is saying you shouldn't do that
So a person who needs scripture to tell him it's wrong to rape someone is just associate path on the leash
Yep. You got it.

He sees thorough us gang! The jig is up.

I need to move on from this. He's right about his moral relativism definition, I believe... but the rest, he misses the mark and my point. He and his likeminded folk never ask the question why something is wrong if God is not the source of that understanding. It ultimately comes down to their own subjective feelings. And, that is so incredibly dangerous for any society to take on as its basis of morality. And, they errantly assume that they are morally superior because they don't need God to tell me what's right and wrong. They grew up in a society influenced by Judeo-Christian morality, they accept some of that, discard what they don't like, and then tell us how morally superior they are and how screwed up we are.

You can get a headache in these threads. Have fun gang.
 
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Gojira

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Also you still didn't answer my question
I answered your question. You didn't understand it. You don't understand a lot of what's being told to you. You do not get what people are trying to tell you. And, I'm tired of beating the dead horse.
 

Dude653

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Yep. You got it.

He sees thorough us gang! The jig is up.

I need to move on from this. He's right about his moral relativism definition, I believe... but the rest, he misses the mark and my point. He and his likeminded folk never ask the question why something is wrong if God is not the source of that understanding. It ultimately comes down to their own subjective feelings. And, that is so incredibly dangerous for any society to take on as its basis of morality. And, they errantly assume that they are morally superior because they don't need God to tell me what's right and wrong. They grew up in a society influenced by Judeo-Christian morality, they accept some of that, discard what they don't like, and then tell us how morally superior they are and how screwed up we are.

You can get a headache in these threads. Have fun gang.
I can't help it you don't know the definitions of words. Moral relativism is basically whatever the majority of a culture believes in that's what's morally correct.
So that would be like saying Muslims are morally correct for making their women walk around wearing trash bags and 130° weather
Empathy is saying hey you should stop treating women like that because it's immoral
 

Roughsoul1991

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So how do you explain the fact that I have empathy despite not following any scriptural guidelines?

Romans 2:14-15
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14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.

There is the basic moral law or the law written on the hearts that act within free will to try and restrain the humans evil desires.

But beyond the basics you learn from the Bible. Empathy may have you feel sad for a starving kitten but empathy may also have you feel sad for a pregnant woman who wants an abortion but can't get one. You feel empathy for the woman but lack empathy for the unborn child.

It isn't a concrete guide when humans are involved. Also you are taught on what is appropriate empathy.

Should you care more for a zoo gorilla or the child potentially about to be torn apart? Our society debated this.

Should you care for the life of the elderly or euthanize them when they get to be sick and weeks, months or a few years near the end of life? Our society debates this.

What is appropriate empathy? Some Islamic regions show empathy towards their own people but to others they are treated as property.

If you do not have a standard outside of yourself then everything is subjective. Especially if we are just survival of the fittest with no ultimate judge then who cares how I treat others as long as my desires are obtained.
 
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Gojira

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I can't help it you don't know the definitions of words. Moral relativism is basically whatever the majority of a culture believes in that's what's morally correct.
So that would be like saying Muslims are morally correct for making their women walk around wearing trash bags and 130° weather
Empathy is saying hey you should stop treating women like that because it's immoral
And, I cannot help it if you're unable to understand far deeper things.
 
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Gojira

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Bottom line is this: Same-sex marriage is immoral. It is sinful. It is a big error on the part of our government here in the States. And, I refuse to be forced to celebrate it in any way, shape or form. Such is tyranny.

Folks, the secularist and the believer / political conservative have two definitions of freedom. That is our problem.
 
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Gojira

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Romans 2:14-15
New International Version


14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.

There is the basic moral law or the law written on the hearts that act within free will to try and restrain the humans evil desires.

But beyond the basics you learn from the Bible. Empathy may have you feel sad for a starving kitten but empathy may also have you feel sad for a pregnant woman who wants an abortion but can't get one. You feel empathy for the woman but lack empathy for the unborn child.

It isn't a concrete guide when humans are involved. Also you are taught on what is appropriate empathy.

Should you care more for a zoo gorilla or the child potentially about to be torn apart? Our society debated this.

Should you care for the life of the elderly or euthanize them when they get to be sick and weeks, months or a few years near the end of life? Our society debates this.

What is appropriate empathy? Some Islamic regions show empathy towards their own people but to others they are treated as property.

If you do not have a standard outside of yourself then everything is subjective. Especially if we are just survival of the fittest with no ultimate judge then who cares how I treat others as long as my desires are obtained.
Perfectly said, but laid on deaf ears. It's what I've been trying to say now several times. I'm not saying it any more.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Yep. You got it.

He sees thorough us gang! The jig is up.

I need to move on from this. He's right about his moral relativism definition, I believe... but the rest, he misses the mark and my point. He and his likeminded folk never ask the question why something is wrong if God is not the source of that understanding. It ultimately comes down to their own subjective feelings. And, that is so incredibly dangerous for any society to take on as its basis of morality. And, they errantly assume that they are morally superior because they don't need God to tell me what's right and wrong. They grew up in a society influenced by Judeo-Christian morality, they accept some of that, discard what they don't like, and then tell us how morally superior they are and how screwed up we are.

You can get a headache in these threads. Have fun gang.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
 

Dude653

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"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
But I provideth a screenshot of the definition of more relativism and thou still acteth like an edgelord.
 

Dude653

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Bottom line is this: Same-sex marriage is immoral. It is sinful. It is a big error on the part of our government here in the States. And, I refuse to be forced to celebrate it in any way, shape or form. Such is tyranny.

Folks, the secularist and the believer / political conservative have two definitions of freedom. That is our problem.
No one is trying to force you to celebrate anything.
You're the one trying to force your beliefs on others
 

Dude653

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I don't share your beliefs. You can't make me share your beliefs. I don't have to share your beliefs
I'm not even gay but if I decided to marry a man tomorrow, that's my prerogative man you can't stop me. Cry more
 

Roughsoul1991

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No one is trying to force you to celebrate anything.
You're the one trying to force your beliefs on others
I'm trying to figure out how is this meant as bad? Anytime anyone votes they are voting in the beliefs and agenda of the individual. For example, I want stronger 2nd Amendment protections, so I vote in people who will legislative stronger protections. Those protections if they become law will be enforced on everyone. This is normal.
 
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Gojira

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I'm trying to figure out how is this meant as bad? Anytime anyone votes they are voting in the beliefs and agenda of the individual. For example, I want stronger 2nd Amendment protections, so I vote in people who will legislative stronger protections. Those protections if they become law will be enforced on everyone. This is normal.
Don't you know? To the non-fascist Left, this is fascism :LOL: Unless 'democracy' goes their way, it's not a legitimate democracy. Get with it man!
 

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I can't help it you don't know the definitions of words. Moral relativism is basically whatever the majority of a culture believes in that's what's morally correct.
For example, when Trump encouraged his followers to pick up a weapon and get involved in the war for this country.

Oh, my bad, that wasn't Trump, it was MSNBC's Tiffany Cross who urges liberals to 'pick up a weapon and get involved' in 'war' for democracy

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-tiffany-cross-war

MSNBC routinely warns against the rhetoric of the right encouraging violence from right wing extremists. However, they have no issue with leftists encouraging violence from liberals on the left.
 
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Gojira

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For example, when Trump encouraged his followers to pick up a weapon and get involved in the war for this country.

Oh, my bad, that wasn't Trump, it was MSNBC's Tiffany Cross who urges liberals to 'pick up a weapon and get involved' in 'war' for democracy

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-tiffany-cross-war

MSNBC routinely warns against the rhetoric of the right encouraging violence from right wing extremists. However, they have no issue with leftists encouraging violence from liberals on the left.
Because they follow their prophet, Saul Alinsky, who tells his fellow radicals to accuse the other side of what they themselves are doing.

"Trump and his followers are fascists!" As they run through the streets terrorizing all who disagree with them, because no fascist movement's ever used such tactics. Nope.