So Now We Have 'Gay Theology'?! - Article by Chick Publications

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Well that man was obviously not representative of the majority, seeing as I don't see mass movements for incest to be legalized. I once heard a Christian person say 'a child taking a cookie without asking is just as bad as a paedophile raping someone, cause they're both sin'. Using some wingding that belongs to a group to define the views of the entire group is like finding a blood egg and coming to the conclusion that every egg is a blood egg.
Indeed. But if a minority of people who commit incest would ask for their right of marrying their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers (God forbid!) on what basis would you refuse to them this right? I asked many people about this and they admitted that since you lose the landmark of marriage (between a man and a woman) and recognize the non-sense of a marriage between two men, you have to accept marriage between first degree cousins, brothers etc., too.
 
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Indeed. But if a minority of people who commit incest would ask for their right of marrying their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers (God forbid!) on what basis would you refuse to them this right? I asked many people about this and they admitted that since you lose the landmark of marriage (between a man and a woman) and recognize the non-sense of a marriage between two men, you have to accept marriage between first degree cousins, brothers etc., too.
On the basis that incest is proven to lead to pregnancies wherein genetic abnormalities are extremely common, often fatal, and detrimental to both the mother and the child's life. A mother a father having seven alleles in common is biologically injurious. YOU are the one saying that we have to accept marriage between a brother and sister if we accept gay marriage on the principal that a minority ask for it, but it's a false correlation because being gay and being incestuous are two very different things. The view that legalizing homosexuality requires the legalization of incest certainly isn't the viewpoint of most if not all legal principalities, nor of the scientific community, nor the majority of gay people.

Being gay doesn't throw up such problems.
 
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On the basis that incest is proven to lead to pregnancies wherein genetic abnormalities are extremely common, often fatal, and detrimental to both the mother and the child's life. A mother a father having seven alleles in common is biologically injurious. YOU are the one saying that we have to accept marriage between a brother and sister if we accept gay marriage on the principal that a minority ask for it, but it's a false correlation because being gay and being incestuous are two very different things. The view that legalizing homosexuality requires the legalization of incest certainly isn't the viewpoint of most if not all legal principalities, nor of the scientific community, nor the majority of gay people.

Being gay doesn't throw up such problems.
Homosexuality also leads to sexual disease from which the most horrible (and common) one is AIDS.
In islamic countries marriage between first degree cousins is something normal. I believe that if a brother wants to marry his sister (or brother), authorities who allow marriage between two men or polygamy (like in the state of Utah) don't have any basis on which they can tell them "this is not normal".
 
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I was a member of a Christian forum wherein a man who claimed he was transsexual and a humanist argued there is no such thing as morality. And that sex between brother and sister is perfectly natural when it is consensual. And of course he was gay. While zoophilia, aka beastiality, was OK too. Because the animal was unable to vocally consent. But if it did not want to have sex it would, like all animals, possess the capacity to object by physically assaulting its rapist.



They believed all relationships should be allowed by law and to marry.

And they promoted this in a Christian forum without censure.
This is exactly where we are without God. It is why we live in a society where anything goes, it's a godless, messed up society with blurred lines - so we overstep them and that's acceptable as we become our own little gods. How many times I have heard the line "it's not hurting anyone so what's the problem". I wonder how they will explain this one away as they each meet their maker.
 
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Homosexuality also leads to sexual disease from which the most horrible (and common) one is AIDS.
In islamic countries marriage between first degree cousins is something normal. I believe that if a brother wants to marry his sister (or brother), authorities who allow marriage between two men or polygamy (like in the state of Utah) don't have any basis on which they can tell them "this is not normal".
Heterosexuality leads to sexual disease. :confused: First degree cousins can marry in the UK. Just cause you believe it lol doesn't make it true.
 
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:confused: First degree cousins can marry in the UK. Just cause you believe it lol doesn't make it true.
I didn't know that but I can't say it surprises me a lot. It is very weird and unhealthy too.
 
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Again, one wingding you attribute to a generalized group doesn't in any way represent the views of that entire group you create. I could say 'one black guy said once that all white people should be euthanized'. Is that what all black people think??

Seriously. Your arguments are utterly ridiculous.
It is not the same thing. Plus, it is not necessarily what the man said, but the principle on which gay marriage is acceptable. On the same principle you can accept other sexual perversions too on the condition that it is a consensual act.

So, the transexual was actually being consequent in his madness.
 
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This is exactly where we are without God. It is why we live in a society where anything goes, it's a godless, messed up society with blurred lines - so we overstep them and that's acceptable as we become our own little gods. How many times I have heard the line "it's not hurting anyone so what's the problem". I wonder how they will explain this one away as they each meet their maker.
That was the primary line of defense the transman used when Christians would confront his point of view. It's not hurting anyone so what's the problem. It's consensual between the people involved and that is what matters.
He argued sex with his cousin was perfectly OK. A first cousin! Save for being gay, I'd have said, imagine the children. But that was OK too. Because inbreeding doesn't pose any risks. (cough)

I agree. The lines of morality and right living are being blurred. And more rapidly as the years pass. And you notice? In order for those lines to be blurred, and eventually erased by law, the one thing that has to be under siege first is the religion that reiterates those lines and preaches they are inviolable.

And that's where the godless activist structure comes in. Groups like Freedom From Religion Foundation, numerous so called humanist groups, attack the faith and hope to put it in a closet while allowing the howling demonic behaviors in Hell out of theirs. As a matter of equality, in the name of tolerance, at the behest of the Orwellian style Ministry of Truth, Political Correctness.
And if you disagree, you're a bigot.

That label that makes you invisible because you aren't one who testifies to the Hellion anthem: If it feels good do it!
 

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Right of personal choice to live your life as you wish as long as you do not infringe another's rights of personal choice is the tenet here. Being gay, consensually, does not infringe another human or animal's rights. Bestiality infringes an animal's rights. Rape infringes another human beings rights. Paedophilia infringes the rights of a child. Murder infringes the rights of another human being. Theft infringes the rights of another human being.

You say right of choice leads to a 'free for all', by which I assume you mean social chaos, without law. In fact, equal rights leads to exactly the opposite; social equilibrium, the freedom of rights for each individual, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation or sex.

Again, the taking up of a religious life, with all its personal laws, is a choice undertaken by the individual, but it is not the legal obligation of all individuals to take up a religious life, with all its personal laws. A person's secularly legal obligation is to abide by secular law, which by definition is not affiliated with, prescriptive of, or biased towards any religious or non religious worldview.

Secular legislation is the practice of creating inclusive laws that are not based upon religious tenets but upon the premise of equal treatment for all people. The law recognizes the authority of no religion or belief system other than the law itself, and the laws themselves are based upon nothing more than this principle: equality of rights. That equality of rights is the same for EVERYONE. You might disagree with some of the consequences of that equality of rights, and that's your prerogative, but you are also bound by them, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

The law does not prohibit you from taking up a personal religion, but it does prohibit you from enforcing your personal religious laws (which stand outside secular laws) on others. Nobody says you have to be gay. Nobody says to have to be straight either. Why? Cause being gay or straight is a personal choice undertaken by the individual that does not infringe another's right to personal choice.

However, the law says you can't be a rapist. Why? Because rape is a personal choice that directly violates the rights of another person to personal choice.
Your neo marxist utopia has never worked nor ever will work so long as man's heart is EVIL. Even in the Millennium under the best conditions man's true evil will be made manifest as he runs to side with satan after he's loosed from his chains.

There are always the strong manipulators over powering the weak, where even in countries that are supposed to be egalitarian like Soviet Russia or Red China, you have the elite at the top wining and dining while the 'masses' are laid low. I'm sure you've read Animal Farm if it hasn't yet been banned for university students. As such utopian equality is a pipe dream and squares not with the reality of man's depraved heart.

You say consensual gay relations hurt no one? Healthcare costs have skyrocketed due to the epidemic of aids to name one let alone now many people do not have the choice to live by their conscience and refuse to serve them.
So much for personal choice.
 
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My gay neighbors, are upper middle class (six figure incomes). They have no children. The live in a monogamous relationship. The spend at least 10% of their incomes on charities (including our unwed parents mission (Christian run pregnancy center). They are healthier than most Christians of their age that I know. In short they are not burdens to society. They are lost and going to Hell. Sadly, they know that too. I'll be willing to bet you that the couple I've described here is the typical gay couple. I pray today that will open a door into their heart, and give me an opportunity to share the Gospel with them and save them from the future that they now have.
 

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right. it does not matter how nice they are and how much good they do. sin is sin. I could do all you said they did and more and be a womanizing drunk and go to hell. its great that they do well, but that is not the point.
 

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right. it does not matter how nice they are and how much good they do. sin is sin. I could do all you said they did and more and be a womanizing drunk and go to hell. its great that they do well, but that is not the point.
It is the point. They are just as lost as anyone who is lost in any sin. As long as we turn away from them because they are lost in a "filthy" lifestyle, they will remain lost. Which is more important, whether or not a sin is legal, or the salvation of each person lost in the sin? When we make a sin illegal, it doesn't save a single person. When we lead a person out of a sinful lifestyle, it doesn't matter whether the sin is illegal or not. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have laws that make sins illegal. I'm saying that whether the sin is legal or not, our responsibility as Christians is to take the Gospel to everyone. I pray that I am able to do.
 
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Your neo marxist utopia has never worked nor ever will work so long as man's heart is EVIL. Even in the Millennium under the best conditions man's true evil will be made manifest as he runs to side with satan after he's loosed from his chains.

There are always the strong manipulators over powering the weak, where even in countries that are supposed to be egalitarian like Soviet Russia or Red China, you have the elite at the top wining and dining while the 'masses' are laid low. I'm sure you've read Animal Farm if it hasn't yet been banned for university students. As such utopian equality is a pipe dream and squares not with the reality of man's depraved heart.

You say consensual gay relations hurt no one? Healthcare costs have skyrocketed due to the epidemic of aids to name one let alone now many people do not have the choice to live by their conscience and refuse to serve them.
So much for personal choice.
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You're a f***ing idiot. Get an education.
Now that....is a liberal.

Look at the rate of sexually transmitted disease within the homosexual community. Not just aids but hepititis and the regular std's.

The average lifespan is a lot shorter as well.

There is destruction of the anal canal.

What a gay couple shows to the community may be very different to what happens behind doors. When you engage is such perversion, it will show up in other areas of your life as well.

If we are such idiots, why come to a christian site to spread what the majority of us think is foolishness, at best.

I know why...talking to pot smoking low information liberals has to be very boring.
 

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Now that....is a liberal.

Look at the rate of sexually transmitted disease within the homosexual community. Not just aids but hepititis and the regular std's.

The average lifespan is a lot shorter as well.

There is destruction of the anal canal.

What a gay couple shows to the community may be very different to what happens behind doors. When you engage is such perversion, it will show up in other areas of your life as well.

If we are such idiots, why come to a christian site to spread what the majority of us think is foolishness, at best.

I know why...talking to pot smoking low information liberals has to be very boring.
Did you ever thinkthat said gay couples just don't care? I mean maybe they are happy?
 
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Did you ever thinkthat said gay couples just don't care? I mean maybe they are happy?
Nope. Living in an unashamed sinful condition will exhibit its own fruit.
 

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Nope. Living in an unashamed sinful condition will exhibit its own fruit.
And now its over and out. Well, what can be said more than when these issues are discussed it usually takes out the true hearts of people, for good and evil. And only God can change these goofy and wicked ideas about pro-choice and gay pride and similar.
 

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dunno :p my wife says the only thing I know how to do is push buttons...but I tried not to...sort of.