Terrorist Attack in Pakistan Leaves more than 120 schoolchildren dead
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Stop your ignorance please. Read the rationale from the followers of muhammed themselves:
Pakistani Taliban Cite The “Prophet” Mohammed’s Slaughter of Jewish Children To Justify Peshawar School Slaughter… | Weasel Zippers
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There are points on which we agree, brother. But this... thing you posted isn't a source. I would love to see a better source to show people when they ask, do you think you could find a reliable one? That'd be fantastic. Posting this makes us kind of look like we get all of our news on current events from... well, what is essentially a "meme"...
None I guess, I just hate reading things like this that are so far off it's not even a logical point. Sorry if that offends you. There are just certain things I feel compelled to comment on, and that was one of them. Now if I did take the time to explain exactly what I meant, why, and what reasons I say this I don't think he would even take the time to read it, or really care at all. That's why I didn't waste my time writing it all out. That was more to put it out there to counter his ridiculous statement for other readers, if he can put his view out there so can I. If he truly wants to know more or why I said that he can ask and I'd be more than happy to discuss it, but just throwing out a statement like that DOES betray his ignorance on the subject he brought up.
"What's your job in this situation?", to back up the truth Jesus Christ has brought me to, and at least counter the completely flawed logic of his assessment. What's your job in questioning my motives? You are doing the same thing right now, why did you feel compelled to ask me this? This is a CHRISTIAN site and I will call this kind of thing out when I feel the need to. Anything else I can answer for you?
"What's your job in this situation?", to back up the truth Jesus Christ has brought me to, and at least counter the completely flawed logic of his assessment. What's your job in questioning my motives? You are doing the same thing right now, why did you feel compelled to ask me this? This is a CHRISTIAN site and I will call this kind of thing out when I feel the need to. Anything else I can answer for you?
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First, brother. I feel compelled to let you know that Human has proved himself in several threads to have ears to hear if you would only be kind, compassionate, and patient in your explanations. You and He are both God's children. Even if he currently doesn't think so. He will kindly and patiently explain every one of his points, back them with sources, and even "agree to disagree" with you. He's doing his best to understand us as a group.
If Christ's truth is what you're trying to back up, I urge you to consider a few truths about the one who we claim to follow.
He told us to love one another. To love our "enemies". And how do we know how to do that? And why it's so important? I post this scripture all the time. (those of you who follow my responses, and tire of seeing me use it, thank you for your patience) I bring you, once again to 1 Corinthians.
13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecyand can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror;then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
In response to what my motives are in questioning your motives, to judge and condemn someone who doesn't understand our faith, and to question a brother in Christ regarding his reflection of the love of Christ, are very different matters.
[h=1]Hebrews 10:19-27New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]A Call to Persevere in Faith[/h]19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Sometimes, to love a brother or sister in Christ is to come in correction. Or are you of the opinion that we should allow ourselves and each other to bar the way for those trying to learn more?
Agape love, brother. Just some food for thought.
If Christ's truth is what you're trying to back up, I urge you to consider a few truths about the one who we claim to follow.
He told us to love one another. To love our "enemies". And how do we know how to do that? And why it's so important? I post this scripture all the time. (those of you who follow my responses, and tire of seeing me use it, thank you for your patience) I bring you, once again to 1 Corinthians.
13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecyand can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror;then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
In response to what my motives are in questioning your motives, to judge and condemn someone who doesn't understand our faith, and to question a brother in Christ regarding his reflection of the love of Christ, are very different matters.
[h=1]Hebrews 10:19-27New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]A Call to Persevere in Faith[/h]19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Sometimes, to love a brother or sister in Christ is to come in correction. Or are you of the opinion that we should allow ourselves and each other to bar the way for those trying to learn more?
Agape love, brother. Just some food for thought.
The phrase, New Testament, means New Covenant. Now that Jesus has walked the Earth, we live under a New Covenant, and the Greatest Commandment within this New Covenant calls for us to love God with all of our heart and all of our soul, with all of our strength and all of our mind, and we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. The teachings of islam have nothing to do with God's New Covenant and the sooner islam is eradicated from all existence, the better.
First off I don't really see my first comment to be an attack or hateful in any way. If he can throw his opinion out there then so can I. He was suggesting that the Holy Bible and Quran were comparable with their brutal teachings then throws out one of the common atheist verses that "proves" his point. I say nowhere in the bible are we ever commanded to kill, at all. Yes God did command His people to kill every man, woman, child, and animal, but those were commands strait to them then. The Quran gives these violent commands to ALL Muslims, period. There is a HUGE difference in that, and if you look into either deeper you learn more about it. The superficial look and comment by Human was DEAD wrong, and I still don't see how a sister in Christ will jump to defend his right to say whatever, and try to jump on me for "not being nice"? First off I don't see what I said that was an "attack" or “mean”, it was a simple observation that I can make because I've been in his position and shared his views before. Guess what? I was dead wrong, therefore can see his ignorance because I've in fact been that ignorant of the Bible and made the same cases, to be honest I called myself Christian for 5-6 years and was ignorant of what it teaches. It may not have seemed "loving" and patient, but he threw a statement out there and I answered it with one of my own. If ANYONE was to show a real interest in understanding and asked me anything I would go out of my way to help, but this is the internet and a known nonbeliever throws out something as completely wrong as that, no matter how polite they say it, I will through my view out there too. The difference? Mine is true, and aims to give Jesus all the glory. So I'm sorry if I didn't come across "loving" enough to you, but I was NOT rude to him, and stand by my comment, period.
All that being said I understand what you're saying and do agree with your point, but in this situation I think you've misread my motives. Read through my testimony here to get a better feel from where I am with our Lord and where my heads at. This wasn’t to make “me right” or any kind of prideful objectives with it. He put his view out there, I thought it was completely wrong and I put mine, no more no less.
All that being said I understand what you're saying and do agree with your point, but in this situation I think you've misread my motives. Read through my testimony here to get a better feel from where I am with our Lord and where my heads at. This wasn’t to make “me right” or any kind of prideful objectives with it. He put his view out there, I thought it was completely wrong and I put mine, no more no less.
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Well, brother. There were just entirely too many "I's" and "me's" in that statement to believe that you're truly seeking a peaceful understanding in Christ. I urge you to pray on this. It's not possible to reason with someone who is defensive and has no ears to hear, but I can still pray for you.
Also, as a "known unbeliever" Doesn't that mean he deserves to hear the truth ans get an actual explanation? How is he to know that those two points aren't comparable?
Also, as a "known unbeliever" Doesn't that mean he deserves to hear the truth ans get an actual explanation? How is he to know that those two points aren't comparable?
First do you really think he genuinely cares at all about the bible or my understanding of it? Most people, Christian and secular alike, have their minds made up already. If he’s seeking he will ask questions, but nobody is going to be “debated” into Truth. I think most on both sides would agree. I’m not in to just wasting time, and have seen him often enough on here to make a prediction of how that would go over and made the call that a long history lesson, bible class, and Quran rundown typed out wouldn’t really be too fruitful in this case, but heck you’ve got all the answers so I’ll just PM you next time to approve my comments beforehand. You jump on me for not being loving, yet claim to know about my “understanding in Christ”. How can you know that from 2 comments and NO questions?
I guess just keep on praying for me. You obviously know me very well so hopefully one day I, (<-- is this "I" ok? or does it invalidate this comment too?) will reach the level you're talking about. Thanks for setting me strait with love. Very constructive, BTW just throwing in a few nice phrases doesn’t make you loving, to be honest this last comment has been one of the most offensive comments I’ve even had here. By the way you know he arms us with our testimonies right? Kind of hard to use it without "I's" and "me's", no? Just as long as all credit goes to Him. Good luck bringing everyone to your perfect understanding, and good job doing the same thing you were “attacking” me about, but I won’t throw these kind of judgments about your faith out there like “There were just entirely too many "I's" and "me's" in that statement to believe that you're truly seeking a peaceful understanding in Christ”, and I see this as WAY more offensive than anything I said to him. He’s an unbeliever so I don’t think me saying “you’re ignorant to the bible” is going to affect him too much. I on the other hand I am a regenerated, Holy Spirit filled, Christian in every sense due solely to His Grace, Mercy, and sacrifice, that you know 0% about at all, even after I told you I’ve put my testimony on this site where you can see exactly where I’m coming from you answer with “There were just entirely too many "I's" and "me's" in that statement to believe that you're truly seeking a peaceful understanding in Christ.” Before you even read it. LOL, wow I didn’t want to be ugly, but you are being very hypocritical in my opinion. That’s why I didn’t explain more in my first comment, it turns into a back and forth with no one even asking a question, just like this now. You win, you’re right, Jesus loves you more. Just keep praying I’ll learn, all while knowing NOTHING at all about me because you’ve already slapped my offer to get to know me away, and can tell my motives from a couple comments online. You win.
I guess just keep on praying for me. You obviously know me very well so hopefully one day I, (<-- is this "I" ok? or does it invalidate this comment too?) will reach the level you're talking about. Thanks for setting me strait with love. Very constructive, BTW just throwing in a few nice phrases doesn’t make you loving, to be honest this last comment has been one of the most offensive comments I’ve even had here. By the way you know he arms us with our testimonies right? Kind of hard to use it without "I's" and "me's", no? Just as long as all credit goes to Him. Good luck bringing everyone to your perfect understanding, and good job doing the same thing you were “attacking” me about, but I won’t throw these kind of judgments about your faith out there like “There were just entirely too many "I's" and "me's" in that statement to believe that you're truly seeking a peaceful understanding in Christ”, and I see this as WAY more offensive than anything I said to him. He’s an unbeliever so I don’t think me saying “you’re ignorant to the bible” is going to affect him too much. I on the other hand I am a regenerated, Holy Spirit filled, Christian in every sense due solely to His Grace, Mercy, and sacrifice, that you know 0% about at all, even after I told you I’ve put my testimony on this site where you can see exactly where I’m coming from you answer with “There were just entirely too many "I's" and "me's" in that statement to believe that you're truly seeking a peaceful understanding in Christ.” Before you even read it. LOL, wow I didn’t want to be ugly, but you are being very hypocritical in my opinion. That’s why I didn’t explain more in my first comment, it turns into a back and forth with no one even asking a question, just like this now. You win, you’re right, Jesus loves you more. Just keep praying I’ll learn, all while knowing NOTHING at all about me because you’ve already slapped my offer to get to know me away, and can tell my motives from a couple comments online. You win.
Certainly they aren't -- several university seminars on comparitive religion and 12 years of religious studies in school are probably better places. I feel aptly qualified to comment on the teachings of various religions, and recognize that both the Bible and the Quran include verses toward compassion, charity, kindness, and execution, vengaence and strife. It is, ultimately, up to the reader which teachings they find more important. If it were not, we would not get militant Christians in Africa or exremist Muslims, nor kind Christians and Muslims alike. There is a clear dichotomy there; a willingness to follow hatred or a willingness to follow love. These are aspects of the individual and dictate the manner in which they follow the religion.
As Woolf and Hulsizer (Webster University) write in Intra and Inter Religious Hatred in Violence, ''Unfortunately, most of the discussion of religious hatred in the aftermath of the September 11th attacks has focused on the specifics of Islam. Religious responses from various theological perspectives have occurred along a continuum of dialogue. At one end of the spectrum, many theologians have stressed the beauty and peace-abiding nature of the Islamic faith. At the other end, well-known Christian evangelists have offered harsher opinions. For example, Franklin Graham, son of the Reverend Billy Graham, stated that he believed Islam to be a "very evil and wicked religion," and Jerry Falwell called Mohammed a "terrorist." While both have subsequently qualified their remarks, such comments exemplify a reciprocal foundation of religious intolerance that argues a purely theological root for religious hatred, terrorism, and violence. While theological rationales for the formentation of intra-religious hatred vary, there is commonality in the psychosocial roots of such enmity across religious boundaries''.
The authors go on to list several examples of 'Christian' violence, noting that across all religious boundaries, the psychologically conditions and communal motivations for religious violence exist at one extreme end of a much broader psychosocial continuum of denominational thought that is consistently variant across all religions.
As Woolf and Hulsizer (Webster University) write in Intra and Inter Religious Hatred in Violence, ''Unfortunately, most of the discussion of religious hatred in the aftermath of the September 11th attacks has focused on the specifics of Islam. Religious responses from various theological perspectives have occurred along a continuum of dialogue. At one end of the spectrum, many theologians have stressed the beauty and peace-abiding nature of the Islamic faith. At the other end, well-known Christian evangelists have offered harsher opinions. For example, Franklin Graham, son of the Reverend Billy Graham, stated that he believed Islam to be a "very evil and wicked religion," and Jerry Falwell called Mohammed a "terrorist." While both have subsequently qualified their remarks, such comments exemplify a reciprocal foundation of religious intolerance that argues a purely theological root for religious hatred, terrorism, and violence. While theological rationales for the formentation of intra-religious hatred vary, there is commonality in the psychosocial roots of such enmity across religious boundaries''.
The authors go on to list several examples of 'Christian' violence, noting that across all religious boundaries, the psychologically conditions and communal motivations for religious violence exist at one extreme end of a much broader psychosocial continuum of denominational thought that is consistently variant across all religions.
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My faith dictates that I agree here. But what Human says is true too. The Quran does revere Jesus. Just not as the Christ. As a Christian, that tells me this: These people are missing the great key factor in our faith. They're missing it. That should concern and sadden us. It should cause us to love them and to pray for them. Pray for their eyes to be opened. Not judge and condemn them.
[h=1]Matthew 18 New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven[/h]18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said:“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
[h=3]Causing to Stumble[/h]6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
[h=3]The Parable of the Wandering Sheep[/h]10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. [11] [a]
12 “What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? 13 And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. 14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.
[h=1]Matthew 18 New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven[/h]18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said:“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
[h=3]Causing to Stumble[/h]6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
[h=3]The Parable of the Wandering Sheep[/h]10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. [11] [a]
12 “What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? 13 And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. 14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.
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I believe this comment speaks for itself, brother...
The only thing I will say is not in my own defense, but actually a point against me. Against every one of us, really. We have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All of us. That means me too. But if I call you my brother, and I let you continue in a way that I feel is destructive to your happiness and the ability for you to love others with compassion, then what right do I have to stand before God and say I walked in love. If I let my own brother continue to think what he's doing is right, when in fact, it isn't. You seem a bit disturbed by my comment, and for that I am deeply sorry. But I am not sorry that I said it. I hope one day we can reach an understanding and become closer to His will in our lives and interactions with ALL people.
Let's not become fat sheep here. There's too much work to be done.
The only thing I will say is not in my own defense, but actually a point against me. Against every one of us, really. We have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All of us. That means me too. But if I call you my brother, and I let you continue in a way that I feel is destructive to your happiness and the ability for you to love others with compassion, then what right do I have to stand before God and say I walked in love. If I let my own brother continue to think what he's doing is right, when in fact, it isn't. You seem a bit disturbed by my comment, and for that I am deeply sorry. But I am not sorry that I said it. I hope one day we can reach an understanding and become closer to His will in our lives and interactions with ALL people.
Let's not become fat sheep here. There's too much work to be done.
You have a wonderful heart, my sister, and I appreciate the Light that you share here. Be tolerant of me and always remember that what I share may upset you, but it's from the heart; a heart that recognizes it's need of Jesus' grace.
That said, know that I judge islam for being the murderous, cancerous death cult that it is, and I try hard, really, really hard not to judge muslims for simply being muslim, but I do judge muslims who murder in the name of their cancerous death cult.
I truly want nothing more than for any and all non-believers to have the veil removed from their eyes and hearts so that they may recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior and rejoice. Until then, they are in my heartfelt prayers, yet be that as it may, we must stay vigil against all manner of evil.
That said, know that I judge islam for being the murderous, cancerous death cult that it is, and I try hard, really, really hard not to judge muslims for simply being muslim, but I do judge muslims who murder in the name of their cancerous death cult.
I truly want nothing more than for any and all non-believers to have the veil removed from their eyes and hearts so that they may recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior and rejoice. Until then, they are in my heartfelt prayers, yet be that as it may, we must stay vigil against all manner of evil.
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Brother, this answer was wonderful.
I appreciate your patience here and your want for everyone's salvation. It is truly refreshing. And, of course, I am appalled by these atrocities, and I believe we all should be. We can band together in prayer and find a way to change the hearts of these men. It will never EVER excuse the murder of innocent children, or a doctrine which justifies it. Amen to that. For now, I think we (myself not only included, but ESPECIALLY) can use these horrific events to renew our desire to turn their hearts away from the kind of evil that rejoices in the death of an innocent child.. I don't want anyone to ever see my calm demeanor here as apathy. I pray every day for the strength and wisdom to know how to handle these situations. I'm a mother. It is horrific to imagine anything like this happening to anyone's child. It pains me so much that without His peace washing over me, I don't know how I'd cope. Truly. So I do my best as an imperfect human to use these things to motivate my prayer life. To direct my attention, my prayers, my resources to where they can do the MOST good. And I fear that we sometimes get so carried away in the horror of a situation, we lose our way and forget that we can go out and be the one who leads a Muslim in the right direction. Thanks for being patient and understanding. God bless you, brother.