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ZNP

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Right to abortion and right to shoot children is a valid comparison

Right to abortion and right to bear arms is not.

It is not wrong to bear arms. It is wrong to bear arms to commit crimes or irresponsibly.
I'm willing to compromise if the abortionists are. Let's outlaw abortions and also outlaw shooting children.
 

Icedaisey

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Cars don't kill people, people with cars kill people.

That's why you have to study, take a test, and get a license to drive a car. Not so with a gun.

Gee, your analogy kinda falls apart right there, doesn't it?
No, it doesn't.

People who conflate the 2nd amendment with abortion won't realize that.
The only semblance of relationship the OT gun topic has to this thread is among those who believe violating people's Constitutional rights keeps us safe.

How about we violate the first amendment? No more religious freedom. Because any religion's zealots pose a threat to the non-religious.

Keep your faith to yourselves. And we'll all be safe. Besides, faith is personal. It doesn't need to go public when that can upset the moral framework others hold dear.

I know, let's repeal the amendment that repealed slavery.

Just look at how contemporary black people abuse their freedoms. BLM, for instance.

Ran by racists who publicly boast they're trained Marxists.

BLM, pays for TV ad space wherein they state all lives can't matter until black lives matter.
And then their membership prices it through acts of terrorist, vandalism, and murder.

What's next? Who wants to repeal the first amendment also due to the abuses of the Cancel Culture?

If you're not free to opine,you'll be less likely to riot. Two birds with one stone, since this would also shut down BLM.

So much Constitution, so little time.
 

Icedaisey

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Go back and address the point ... guns are used to kill, cars are used to kill. Why require a license for one but not the other?
Dear God,please tell me this guy doesn't drive!

The first murder in recorded history was said to occur with the assailant using a rock. Though the actual "weapon" isn't stated.
Should we outlaw rocks?

Guns don't kill people. Cars don't kill people. People kill people.
Let's outlaw people.
 

OIC1965

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Go back and address the point ... guns are used to kill, cars are used to kill. Why require a license for one but not the other?
First of all, there is no right to shoot children. That right does not exist.

Secondly, abortion and bearing arms is a false equivalency.

As far as license to own a gun…even if you hold that is a good position, allowing people to own a gun without a license is not the same as “ right to shoot people”.
 

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And no, this wasn't a gun control thread and I'm sorry for derailing it into one. But the original reason for the comparison still stands... why is life inside the womb so sacred, but once born it's not?
Again, nobody is saying life isn't sacred after birth. Did you ignore everything else I said before? Just ran off with my car analogy and dismissed the rest?
 

OIC1965

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Go back and address the point ... guns are used to kill, cars are used to kill. Why require a license for one but not the other?
Did the founders who wrote the Constitution require a person to have a license to own a gun?
 

OIC1965

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Again, nobody is saying life isn't sacred after birth. Did you ignore everything else I said before? Just ran off with my car analogy and dismissed the rest?
He equates right to own gun with right to shoot children, which is a monumental false equivelant.
 

ZNP

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Go back and address the point ... guns are used to kill, cars are used to kill. Why require a license for one but not the other?
I think you should have liability insurance if you own a gun and it should be the law. Now if you have had a gun your whole life and you have a gun safe and there are no small children in the house I would think the insurance would be very small. But here are the advantages of such a rule:

1. Police find a bullet and casing in a crime, they can subpoena all the insurance companies. They check their records and tell the cops within hours who owns the gun and who is insuring it. Right now the US government is not allowed to keep a digital record of this as it is viewed as the first step in taking the guns away.

2. When you buy a gun the retailer is motivated to approve the sale. However, the insurance company is going to be far more selective. So someone with a whole bunch of red flags might get an estimate that is prohibitively high. Can't buy the gun without proof of insurance.

3. Whenever you buy anything related to your gun you have to show proof of insurance. Now suppose you have that guy who shot up Las Vegas. The insurance company is seeing that he has bought a dozen guns, he has bump stock with all of them, he has a steamer trunk full of ammunition. They are going to be liable for the mayhem so you can be sure they will spot this immediately with their various algorithms and notify the authorities.

4. Or you have the guy in Colorado who bought a gun legally, bought body armor, and then started seeing a psychiatrist. Once again, red flags might have alerted the police prior to the incident.

5. What really started to make cars safe was when we required drivers be insured. All of a sudden we had a huge lobbyists arguing for safety criteria, crash tests, rating cars based on safety, mandatory seat belts, mandatory air bags, etc.
 

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I think you should have liability insurance if you own a gun and it should be the law. Now if you have had a gun your whole life and you have a gun safe and there are no small children in the house I would think the insurance would be very small. But here are the advantages of such a rule:

1. Police find a bullet and casing in a crime, they can subpoena all the insurance companies. They check their records and tell the cops within hours who owns the gun and who is insuring it. Right now the US government is not allowed to keep a digital record of this as it is viewed as the first step in taking the guns away.

2. When you buy a gun the retailer is motivated to approve the sale. However, the insurance company is going to be far more selective. So someone with a whole bunch of red flags might get an estimate that is prohibitively high. Can't buy the gun without proof of insurance.

3. Whenever you buy anything related to your gun you have to show proof of insurance. Now suppose you have that guy who shot up Las Vegas. The insurance company is seeing that he has bought a dozen guns, he has bump stock with all of them, he has a steamer trunk full of ammunition. They are going to be liable for the mayhem so you can be sure they will spot this immediately with their various algorithms and notify the authorities.

4. Or you have the guy in Colorado who bought a gun legally, bought body armor, and then started seeing a psychiatrist. Once again, red flags might have alerted the police prior to the incident.

5. What really started to make cars safe was when we required drivers be insured. All of a sudden we had a huge lobbyists arguing for safety criteria, crash tests, rating cars based on safety, mandatory seat belts, mandatory air bags, etc.
Thank you. Finally someone who gets it.

But again, this ain't a gun thread so I'll just stop here with this for the rest of you:

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OIC1965

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Go back and address the point ... guns are used to kill, cars are used to kill. Why require a license for one but not the other?
Also, I don’t think requiring a license would end gun violence.

a. People with drivers licenses sometimes murder with their car

b. Guns can be bought illegally

c. Sometimes the shooters use someone else’s gun.

D. It’s ok if you favor requiring a license to carry. But having a gun in your home shouldn’t require any government control.

e. I am ok with gun control for people who have committed gun related crimes in the past.
 

OIC1965

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Proves how wonderful the pro lifers are, they have already met the abortionists halfway.
I didn’t notice you were the one who was replying in the earlier post and didn’t catch the humor of the post.
 
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And no, this wasn't a gun control thread and I'm sorry for derailing it into one. But the original reason for the comparison still stands... why is life inside the womb so sacred, but once born it's not?
Both are equally important. No is saying anything different.
 
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kaylagrl

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Go back and address the point ... guns are used to kill, cars are used to kill. Why require a license for one but not the other?

So school and mass shootings would stop if they just had a few lessons?
 
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kaylagrl

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Do you have published evidence of this? From credible science sources?
What do you call credible sources? Google " how many genders are there according to science" see what answer you come up with. Maybe there's a handful of conservative scientists that would come out and say that. But who would believe them? The radicals have everyone believing there are dozens of genders.
 

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And no, this wasn't a gun control thread and I'm sorry for derailing it into one. But the original reason for the comparison still stands... why is life inside the womb so sacred, but once born it's not?
So then, your post is actually saying you don't apologize for the derail.

Guns in no way, shape,or form, relate to abortion legislation.
 
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"The Guttmacher Institute says that fourteen thousand abortions per year are due to rape or incest, which amounts to just over 1 percent of all abortions. Other studies show that pregnancies due to rape are much rarer than is generally thought, perhaps as few as one in a thousand cases. Statistics are often self-serving."
Searched DDG because they may be better than Google for this, using your claim about Guttmacher's statistics. The findings in those sources don't comport with your percentage claim.
DDG results

Medical rape, incest?

That claim at least revokes another's claim here when they stated 99% of pregnancies are due to consensual sex.

Do you believe a child or woman impregnated by incest or rape are entitled to choose abortion?
Guttmacher is an arm of Planned Parenthood, their stats are medical/rape/ incest are 4 percent of abortions. I haven't seen any other stats used. Pro- choicers use the medical/rape/ incest argument to justify 60 million abortions. 92% of abortions in America are purely elective — done on healthy women to end the lives of healthy children according to Guttmacher. So I don't get stuck on 1% if abortions due to rape. I believe that while rape is horrific, it is not the fault of the baby. Give the child up for adoption, same as incest cases. For me, life of the mother is the only situation an abortion may have to be performed. And that is extremely rare.
 

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So then, your post is actually saying you don't apologize for the derail.

Guns in no way, shape,or form, relate to abortion legislation.
I'm not sure, when they pull out a baby that is still alive how do they "terminate"?
 

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What do you call credible sources? Google " how many genders are there according to science" see what answer you come up with. Maybe there's a handful of conservative scientists that would come out and say that. But who would believe them? The radicals have everyone believing there are dozens of genders.
Re: what do I call credible sources?

Typically, if it is a science issue, peer review would qualify. Though as to be expected in these times, that is under scrutiny as to its legitimacy.

The mental health field, sciences, have already compromised in matters of disorders that at one time identified gender confusion, DSD (Disorders of Sex Development), and homosexuality, as emotional and mental disorders. Not so much anymore.
Largely due to pressure from the LGBTQ+ community.

Perhaps, in matters of gender, science does say still that there are but two sexes. Female, Male.

Science there are only two genders


I'm not sure, when they pull out a baby that is still alive how do they "terminate"?
:cry: It's late here and I don't want to have that visual in my head before bed.