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tourist

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Your logical fallacy is called straw man because no one is advocating for getting rid of anything in the Constitution or any personal freedoms
The Dems are advocating getting rid of the Second Amendment and the Electoral College. They will trash the entire Constitution if given the opportunity.
 

soggykitten

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Again you couldn't be any more wrong because the ledt typically values personal freedoms above all
So literally no one is trying to get rid of constitutional freedom. Trying to take people's rights away is more of a right-wing thing
Trying to take people's rights away is more of a right left-wing thing.
There, fixed it.
 
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lenna

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Just in the US alone, in 2019 Planned Parenthood killed 332,757 babies in abortions. Of course, they are not the only abortion on-demand provider. You don't hear about this in the lame-stream media. I am sorry about those that died from the coronavirus and those that were severely impacted but the fact is for each coronavirus death there are hundreds of other deaths attributed to various causes.

yes
 

SoulWeaver

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Meh..... It's just a crazy conspiracy theory there will never be a mandatory chip because that would violate body autonomy which would be unconstitutional
Think again, bro. A lot of unconstitutional stuff is already happening or being advocated, all over the world because of this virus.
It's like people are being probed, how far can the envelope be pushed.
Today it's no mask no service. Tomorrow is no vaccine no passport. Those who want to deprive people of rights won't go all Hitler on us in one day, nobody is that stupid, it won't get accepted that way. It's done gradually and incrementally, and presented as beneficial, or as the solution to a problem. People are desensitized and brainwashed to accept it as NEW NORMAL.
Here's one example for you what's discussed to come next, people should be locked up for just getting ideas like this.
US professor: ‘Psychoactive pill’ should be covertly administered to ensure lockdown compliance
 
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EleventhHour

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Again you couldn't be any more wrong because the ledt typically values personal freedoms above all
So literally no one is trying to get rid of constitutional freedom. Trying to take people's rights away is more of a right-wing thing
That would be classical liberalism, that would definitely not be the left.
 

Dude653

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This is just more propaganda from the anti-vax crowd
 

SoulWeaver

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This is just more propaganda from the anti-vax crowd
Dude, I have all vaccines for "big" diseases like measles, tuberculosis, tetanus, etc. There's value in vaccination. For people under significant risks and low immunity, there also may be value in Covid vaccine (hard to say until tested but generally benefits should outweigh risks).
You don't have to be anti vax at all to oppose forced vaccination. (Key word here being forced.)
Opposing forced vaccination is not unreasonable. They call it mandated so it sounds less forced, more like you voted for it.
Why on earth would people rally to be forced to be vaccinated... that's crazy.

"Health passport" (CovidPass) is already getting popular. I see it's being implemented in Australia.
Maybe not now, but after a few pandemics, such will be implemented, and this might gradually lead to a situation that you won't be able to travel anywhere or use any services if you don't comply with whatever vaccination the government requires at the moment.

But what if you don't trust the reputation of the manufacturer, or think there wasn't enough testing done yet and don't want to take it until it is determined that it is safe, or you don't want to take it at all, for any reason? Or you think the lockdown had extended beyond any reasonable measure, or you disagree with some lockdown measures?
Too late - obey or you cannot travel and shop for goods and services.
 

Dude653

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Dude, I have all vaccines for "big" diseases like measles, tuberculosis, tetanus, etc. There's value in vaccination. For people under significant risks and low immunity, there also may be value in Covid vaccine (hard to say until tested but generally benefits should outweigh risks).
You don't have to be anti vax at all to oppose forced vaccination. (Key word here being forced.)
Opposing forced vaccination is not unreasonable. They call it mandated so it sounds less forced, more like you voted for it.
Why on earth would people rally to be forced to be vaccinated... that's crazy.

"Health passport" (CovidPass) is already getting popular. I see it's being implemented in Australia.
Maybe not now, but after a few pandemics, such will be implemented, and this might gradually lead to a situation that you won't be able to travel anywhere or use any services if you don't comply with whatever vaccination the government requires at the moment.

But what if you don't trust the reputation of the manufacturer, or think there wasn't enough testing done yet and don't want to take it until it is determined that it is safe, or you don't want to take it at all, for any reason? Or you think the lockdown had extended beyond any reasonable measure, or you disagree with some lockdown measures?
Too late - obey or you cannot travel and shop for goods and services.
It's not going to be forced. Stop watching Alex Jones
 

SoulWeaver

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It's not going to be forced. Stop watching Alex Jones
How about you stop assuming? I don't watch Alex Jones and I don't know where you got such conclusion.
No it's definitely not going to be forced in one day. It's going to be very gradual until it's normalized and majority accepts it.
When you sign contracts, do you also go "nahhh it will be okayyy, no wayyyy something bad will happen", or should contracts always address the worst case scenario to make sure the legal contract protects YOUR rights. I believe the same to be necessary about laws, once a precedent is set it is very difficult to reverse it.

Again, I am not against vaccines. It's good to have them available. But if you think there won't be pressure about taking it, you've got to be kidding me. Just wait until it comes out. It will be the same pressure as for masks, it's just a question of how far it's going to go, this time. I'd very gladly and happily have you be right. I'm not saying, and never said, that covid vaccines are going to be chipped. It's early for that. Mandating vaccinations will become a habit first, and a part of population might become willingly chipped some time in the future for the sake of faster examination and testing, more accessible healthcare and such.
 

Billyd

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Should the vaccination be required for teachers and all children attending public or private schools? Should it be required by all colleges, universities, and vocational schools? Should it be a condition of employment in the food service industry? Should it be a condition of employment for nursing homes, group homes, and corrections officers? Should it be required for all residents of the same?

Without at least the above people being vaccinated, show me how we are going to reach herd immunity.
 

Dude653

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Should the vaccination be required for teachers and all children attending public or private schools? Should it be required by all colleges, universities, and vocational schools? Should it be a condition of employment in the food service industry? Should it be a condition of employment for nursing homes, group homes, and corrections officers? Should it be required for all residents of the same?

Without at least the above people being vaccinated, show me how we are going to reach herd immunity.
The damage has already been done with so much anti-vax propaganda that there will be too many people who won't take the vax to ever reach herdimmunity
 

Billyd

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The damage has already been done with so much anti-vax propaganda that there will be too many people who won't take the vax to ever reach herdimmunity
We'll wait for the vaccine to see what actually happens. The groups that I cited above are critical to herd immunity. They are also vectors to the most vulnerable citizens.
 

soggykitten

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Think again, bro. A lot of unconstitutional stuff is already happening or being advocated, all over the world because of this virus.
It's like people are being probed, how far can the envelope be pushed.
Today it's no mask no service. Tomorrow is no vaccine no passport. Those who want to deprive people of rights won't go all Hitler on us in one day, nobody is that stupid, it won't get accepted that way. It's done gradually and incrementally, and presented as beneficial, or as the solution to a problem. People are desensitized and brainwashed to accept it as NEW NORMAL.
Here's one example for you what's discussed to come next, people should be locked up for just getting ideas like this.
US professor: ‘Psychoactive pill’ should be covertly administered to ensure lockdown compliance
True. The supreme court has taken it upon itself to disregard the Constitution when they see fit, so we don't have that protection in the case of this pandemic.

Body autonomy doesn't hold with regard to compulsory vaccinations either.
"power of a local community to protect itself against an epidemic threatening the safety of all might be exercised in particular circumstances and in reference to particular persons in such an arbitrary, unreasonable manner, or might go so far beyond what was reasonably required for the safety of the public, as to authorize or compel the courts to interfere for the protection of such persons." SCOTUS 1905 Jacobson v. Massachusetts

And besides that fact, it isn't like we'll be informed a chip is in the Covid 19 vaccine prior to it being mandated. Because who would actually consent knowing they're going to be chipped much the same way as their pet is or has been?
 

SoulWeaver

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True. The supreme court has taken it upon itself to disregard the Constitution when they see fit, so we don't have that protection in the case of this pandemic.

Body autonomy doesn't hold with regard to compulsory vaccinations either.
"power of a local community to protect itself against an epidemic threatening the safety of all might be exercised in particular circumstances and in reference to particular persons in such an arbitrary, unreasonable manner, or might go so far beyond what was reasonably required for the safety of the public, as to authorize or compel the courts to interfere for the protection of such persons." SCOTUS 1905 Jacobson v. Massachusetts

And besides that fact, it isn't like we'll be informed a chip is in the Covid 19 vaccine prior to it being mandated. Because who would actually consent knowing they're going to be chipped much the same way as their pet is or has been?
I think they won't attempt that immediately, it is too early, but it will come.
First, of course, chipping will be represented as advancement of health care system. Why not make things more accessible, faster, and convenient if we can, right? Think of the elderly! They need a better health care... Then when they estimate a critical number has been achieved, the others will be forced to switch to the new technologies and stop being so backwards.

One of the most bizarre things that have appeared over the last few years are the famous "fact checkers" everywhere.
So now, when you want to check facts, you are smacked by the media telling you to take them on their word, because they have "checked the facts" for you. Because the media never lie, right. This is such irony, that is the exact opposite of fact checking. Sometimes I think there is no hope anymore and that we are effectively done for.
 

soggykitten

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I think they won't attempt that immediately, it is too early, but it will come.
First, of course, chipping will be represented as advancement of health care system. Why not make things more accessible, faster, and convenient if we can, right? Think of the elderly! They need a better health care... Then when they estimate a critical number has been achieved, the others will be forced to switch to the new technologies and stop being so backwards.

One of the most bizarre things that have appeared over the last few years are the famous "fact checkers" everywhere.
So now, when you want to check facts, you are smacked by the media telling you to take them on their word, because they have "checked the facts" for you. Because the media never lie, right. This is such irony, that is the exact opposite of fact checking. Sometimes I think there is no hope anymore and that we are effectively done for.
If it is just the chip itself, no sneaking it into a vaccine, I'm thinking one of the selling points they'll push is, think of how safe your information will be. And, their big bonus as they'll put it, less medicare and medicaid fraud. This will be your unique biologically programmed chip.
 

SoulWeaver

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@soggykitten
:coffee::coffee::coffee: Dystopian highlight of the day... smh... if people are accepting this willingly, there's no use we're doomed.
Software is already being developed to monitor people on cameras in public and ensure compliance.
Australia already threatens those who don't want to take the vaccine "we need to create incentives to make that happen, such as no jab no pay, not be able to go to restaurants, not be able to travel internationally... to make that happen"
Watching the world burn at this stage and hanging out with Jesus, pretty much.

The woman in the video below is a doctor. She lists plenty of sources to check for yourself in her video description.
I pray God keeps her alive and safe from these monsters who want to turn us into void slaves.
Very informative:
 

SoulWeaver

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Technology needs to be used wisely because it has potential for abuse, as all things.
Do we really need to inject nanorobotics into ourselves? Especially since we have no long term data, double blind studies, nothing.
Listen to the doctor in the video above I posted, and do the research for yourself and then come and tell me you are cool with that kind of vaccine. Are you aware of these issues or you only speak out of ignorance to mock. I didn't think at first that these patents would be here so soon but things seem very different than I thought.
It most likely won't be the normal, traditional vaccine.
There is not only nanotechnologies, but there is potential to permanently change human DNA.