The debate on CNN

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Fiorina seemed a little bitter to me.... I don't think she did as well as some think...but maybe the women like her? She had a couple good moments but her overall "persona" was rather ugly...haha
Lol the look she gave Trump after him saying how nice she looked was priceless. That will be a meme me thinks.
 

VCO

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I doubt that it will happen tomorrow, but the fact is the field is quickly boiling down to a two-man race: Trump and Carson.

Personally, as most of you know, I favor Carson, and I think in the end, he wins the nomination if, indeed, it becomes that two-man race. What Trump supporters are correct about is that GOP voters are fed up with the status quo of same ol' same ol'. What they are wrong about is that Trump is the answer.

Carson is the answer. He's reasonable, intelligent, engaging, powerfully humble. It will be hard for Clinton, Biden, Sanders, or even Elizabeth Warren to overcome his persona. He is a quick learner, and more than capable as an executive.

The final outcome boils down to whether or not the politicians can make inroads against the top two. Carson currently is in a statistical tie in Iowa, has a slight lead in New Hampshire. Trump isn't losing ground, but as I predicted a few weeks ago, he isn't going to gain those abandoning the establishment candidates. He's maxed his support. Carson has an 81% approval rating, only a 6% negative rating, both of which are extremes in the field, by a wide margin.

Carson wins. And if he does, the GOP wins next November..

No, Mike Huckabee was the clear winner!
 

VCO

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Fiorina seemed a little bitter to me.... I don't think she did as well as some think...but maybe the women like her? She had a couple good moments but her overall "persona" was rather ugly...haha
What bothers me is she KEEPS bragging about going from Secretary and climbing the ladder all the way to CEO Hewlett Packard. What she NEVER MENTIONS is that as CEO she nearly bankrupted the company, thus she was fired from the CEO job.

[video=youtube;qzB04Chz-xQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzB04Chz-xQ[/video]
 
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Well you know, she has two XX chromosomes so automatically gets the lion's share of the conservative female vote anyways. America is all about special interests these days. If she was a black lesbian, that would get her even farther irregardless of whether everything she touches turns to dust.

What bothers me is she KEEPS bragging about going from Secretary and climbing the ladder all the way to CEO Hewlett Packard. What she NEVER MENTIONS is that as CEO she nearly bankrupted the company, thus she was fired from the CEO job.
 

BruceWayne

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Rubio ftw. :eek:

I didn't see much of the debate, but I thought Rubio and Christie were good. And even though I disagree with many of his views and shook my head at his Iraq War comments, I still thought Carson came off very well debate-wise.
 

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Well you know, she has two XX chromosomes so automatically gets the lion's share of the conservative female vote anyways. America is all about special interests these days. If she was a black lesbian, that would get her even farther irregardless of whether everything she touches turns to dust.
Your comment about XX chromosomes is really insulting to me. I don't vote based on gender. Just like I didn't voted for Obama because he's black -- it wasn't his race, it was his ideology. But I digress.

Both my husband and I though Fiorina won that debate last night (with Rubio a close second). She was well-spoken, well-informed and has actual PLANS. At this point, she has my vote, and that's NOT because I'm a woman, it's because I'm an intelligent conservative.

Trump is a bloviating idiot. Bush is milktoast. Carson is a nice guy with good ideas but no passion. I could go on with the lesser field, but why?
 

mailmandan

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Trump really got Jeb Bush fired up a few times! :eek: The camera was on Trump quite a bit.
 

Desdichado

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Well you know, she has two XX chromosomes so automatically gets the lion's share of the conservative female vote anyways. America is all about special interests these days. If she was a black lesbian, that would get her even farther irregardless of whether everything she touches turns to dust.
It would be interesting to see how she polls among women. Most conservative ladies I talk with favor a male candidate at present.
 

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I gotta tell ya, Desdichado, I didn't think much of her until the debate last night. Granted, I didn't see the first debate, but I have been leaning toward Cruz or Rubio -- and I still like them both very much -- but Friorina proved herself to be a great communicator last night and I like her chutzpah.
 
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You know, no matter who I think is the best debater, I have to say that the best candidate is going to be the one who can actually get things done. I suppose Obama has set the standard with that. He rolled all over congress and reminded me more of a dictator. I suppose the candidate most likely to be able to do that would be Trump. Certainly, Marco Rubio would likely be the best, but I really don't think he could make the changes happen that he suggested the country needs. How would any one of them do that unless they go the same dicatorial route that Obama has? Most presidents have not done that, but have worked within their respective parties and with Congress. If you don't think your favorite candidate would ever go that route, which of them do you consider the best candidate?
 
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Bingo.

I do not see this debate really changing the dynamic. Trump got clobbered, which was not wise for the clobberers (yeah! give him EVEN MORE press coverage! It's worked SO WELL for them!).

Rubio pleased the pundit class...but he did the same during the last debate. Fiorina stuck some blows...but they were not as good as the last debate. Rand Paul whined...again. Christie did well, but he missed his boat in 2012. Ted Cruz sounded fantastic when they actually remembered he was on the stage, but he looked like Harry from Third Rock from the Sun. Carson looked like a lovable political novice. Jeb and Trump palled around.

My prediction is that the dial doesn't move because of it. If it does move, it'll be a temporary Fiorina gain that will fizzle out unless she fans the flame.
Lots of uncertainty in political campaigns.

If Fiorina numbers go north, I suspect Carson's will head south. Could be wrong.

Either way, I like the fact that the frontrunners are not politicians.

(If you disagree with me, do not resort to name calling, at least
not in this matter. I am not a moron. Thank you! :eek:)
 
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America is all about special interests these days. If she was a black lesbian, that would get her even farther irregardless of whether everything she touches turns to dust.
That is true. Ageofknowledge is right. He is.
 
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Lots of uncertainty in political campaigns.

If Fiorina numbers go north, I suspect Carson's will head south. Could be wrong.

Either way, I like the fact that the frontrunners are not politicians.

(If you disagree with me, do not resort to name calling, at least
not in this matter. I am not a moron. Thank you! :eek:)
but it is possible you are a brainwashed idiot kool aid drinker. You could even be a....wait a minute...that pretty much covers it. Lol.
 
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Galahad

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but it is possible you are a brainwashed idiot kool aid drinker. You could even be a....wait a minute...that pretty much covers it. Lol.
Yes. That is true. But not kool aid. Some caffeine. Lots of water. :(
 
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Yes. That is true. But not kool aid. Some caffeine. Lots of water. :(
well it's okay. I'm just dumb...really super dumb and not very smart either. I think a bag of hammers can reason better than me. Lol
 

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Carson. I just don't see him as a fighter. He's not fired up. I mean, what's he going to do if we get attacked again by terrorists? I can't say what he would do because I haven't witnessed any power or spirit in him. He seems so content. Too calm and at ease. Lots of people struggling. But Carson...what's he going to do? Will he fight. Will he fight.

"Carson. Carson. You there? Hey. Look! The house is on fire."

He's not aggressive.

Any thoughts? Input? What am I missing?

I sincerely ask.

I ain't voting for another politician. Carson is not. I know. But where's the spirit and passion and determination? He needs zeal!


Passion? Hitler had passion, guarantees nothing.
Deuteronomy 1:13 (KJV) Take you wise men, and understanding, and known among your tribes, and I will make them rulers over you.
 
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Voters wanted a debate, CNN wanted a reality show. We got the latter, with Trump as the "star."

Trump’s presidential campaign is nothing more than an enterprise in the distinctive use of television. This just another season of "The Apprentice," which enjoyed success based on the same viewer demand out there in 2016 politics.

Last night's debate, to a great extent the 2016 GOP campaign, is exactly what the TV networks did with the big quiz shows like "21" of the 1950s. Most of you are too young to remembers nerdy Herb Stempel and the well-born Charles Van Doren sweat in the "isolation booth." Could they come up with the answers in time? How long could they continue as champions?

Turned out that booth wasn't actually very isolated. Congressional investigation into prime-time network games shows put an end to "21" and other shows like it because of the discovery of fraud and a quest for ratings. Show producers wanted to win popular constants to win, so they gave them the answers to the payoff questions that guaranteed their return. They did this while they wore headphones that supposedly kept them from hearing what was happening on stage.

That might sound off-topic. It isn't. This is how we elect presidents today. Trump guarantees ratings, so the network and cable news operations let him get by on fluff, bluster, and ignorance, the same attitude that put Obama in the White House. God help us, please don't let the reality/game show mentality put a dumbass fake conservative in there, too.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Carson. I just don't see him as a fighter. He's not fired up. I mean, what's he going to do if we get attacked again by terrorists?

I can't say what he would do because I haven't witnessed any power or spirit in him. He seems so content. Too calm and at ease. Lots of people struggling. But Carson...what's he going to do? Will he fight. Will he fight.

"Carson. Carson. You there? Hey. Look! The house is on fire."

He's not aggressive.

Any thoughts? Input? What am I missing?
A lot.

I sincerely ask.

I ain't voting for another politician. Carson is not. I know. But where's the spirit and passion and determination? He needs zeal!
You don't think, in his years as a pediatric neurosurgeon, he wasn't a fighter? That's not giving the man credit for being able to handle the pressure of holding the essence of a human being -- a child's brain, no less -- in his hands, knowing that one wrong step destroys who the patient is, or perhaps kills him/her. Surgeons can't afford to be excitable, can't allow themselves the luxury of ranting and raving against the unfairness and corruption of the human body as Trump rants and raves against the political system.

Trump can't rant and rave at Putin, al-Baghdadi, al-Zawahiri. He'll have to take action, and anger or arrogance has no place in the midst of such a decision. Give me the calm and rationale of a neurosurgeon instead of a raving maniac when we have to confront national security, an economic collapse, or riots in inner cities across the country.

I'd much rather have a man who knows that kind of pressure in the realm of neurological surgery than some clown who never worked a day in his life, who claims his "favorite book" is the Bible but can't even quote something as simple as John 3:16, and whose second-favorite book is "The Art of the Deal."
 
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Most intelligent - Carson
Wisest - Carson
Best political backing in congress - Bush
Experience - Bush, maybe Rubio
Most aggressive - Trump
Most knowledgeable about business - Trump
Most likely to lie - Trump
Most likely to not follow his plan - Trump
Most likely to hide deals for others in bills - Trump
Most likely to know what bills are not good for the country and it's citizens and how to handle it - Rubio
Most likely to know what bills are not good - Carson
Most likely to follow his plan - Trump(I have difficulty trusting that he does not have a plan he isn't talking about and that is what I think he will follow, not his public plan)
Rubio will follow what he tells everyone as best he can.
Most likely to be blocked at every turn - Rubio

Let's face it, unless Congress is changed, it's going to be tough to have any real change unless the POTUS bypasses congress. I reserve the right to change my mind.