The hatred of Jews

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HeIsHere

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That article is nonsense... proven by merely reading it.

It does not supply one shred of evidence:
A.) Big claims, but with no evidence whatsoever.
B.) 2 anonymous sources, with no names, and no way to identify them or prove they even exist.
C.) Sleight of hand: Lots of genuine legal violations are mentioned, but these are for... accusations that are never proven.

Nowhere in this article is one bit of PROOF of ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.
It is, essentially, just an angry screed, and a lot of unproven claims.


BTW...
I don't need to discredit this news source... the article itself is just a lot of claims without evidence.
Whether or not the news source is pro hamas, we can be certain this particular article is nonsense by merely READING IT.
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Yes I would like to see those primary sources where "complete sovereignty" clearly defined as to its meaning and was offered and rejected.
What were you saying about nonsense? :rolleyes:

Israel offered them a two state solution (complete sovereignty) and they rejected it many times; Israel offered to place it under full jurisdiction of their neighbors in Egypt, and Egypt didn't want it. Gaza is like a thorn you can't get rid of. It won't go away, nobody will take it, and it can't be reasoned with. Please remember, there is not one Arab country that even wants refugees from Gaza. Nobody wants anything to do with Gaza, not even their Arab and Muslim brothers.
 

Yahshua

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That article is nonsense... proven by merely reading it.

It does not supply one shred of evidence:
A.) Big claims, but with no evidence whatsoever.
B.) 2 anonymous sources, with no names, and no way to identify them or prove they even exist.
C.) Sleight of hand: Lots of genuine legal violations are mentioned, but these are for... accusations that are never proven.

Nowhere in this article is one bit of PROOF of ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.
It is, essentially, just an angry screed, and a lot of unproven claims.


BTW...
I don't need to discredit this news source... the article itself is just a lot of claims without evidence.
Whether or not the news source is pro hamas, we can be certain this particular article is nonsense by merely READING IT.

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Yes of course it is maxwel. Of course both the article and recording are nonsense because Israel is good and palestinians are bad. So of course anything that deviates from that narrative is a lie. We will fight tooth and nail to maintain out false paradigms.

I'll try to get word out to them next time demanding the palestinians provide better evidence before dying.

For now, here's a video recorded last year of an Israeli drones being sent to the West Bank civilians using a recording to warn palestinians to protect their kids. This is just to prove that they do have the technology and do use it for broadcasting audio to harass.

Quade copter warning

This next video is a mashup of the video you heard, but also a testimony from a young palestinian teen explaining the incident.


Here's an article from journalist Maha Hussaini on the ground who interviewed two eyewitnesses of the incident. The article gives her name and the names of those eyewitnesses.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/disturbing-recordings-crying-infants-played-israeli-quadcopters-lure-gaza-residents-shootin


I'd quote Christ's teaching about two or more witnesses but I'm realizing more and more that this Christian stuff is just for show for many.
 

Nehemiah6

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This is just to prove that they do have the technology and do use it for broadcasting audio to harass.
To warn is not to harass. Do you see your bias? In most wars nobody wars anyone. War is war and that's it.
 

Yahshua

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Simply unbelievable. A mere six months after the worst slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust, and you are already an October 7th denier.

Sick and demented.
If that's the worst slaughter since the Holocaust, then the jews are doing pretty well compared to the palestinians. 200 Jews to nearly 40,000 palestinians so far. That's about 200 palestinians dead for every one Jew that's either dead or still a hostage.

I'll try to remember that Jewish lives are far more valuable to you than palestinians lives.
 

Yahshua

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To warn is not to harass. Do you see your bias? In most wars nobody wars anyone. War is war and that's it.
There's no war in the WEST BANK. And those aren't combatants but civilians.

Talk about bias...Im just asking for god-given brains to deploy reason beyond their programming.
 

PennEd

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If that's the worst slaughter since the Holocaust, then the jews are doing pretty well compared to the palestinians. 200 Jews to nearly 40,000 palestinians so far. That's about 200 palestinians dead for every one Jew that's either dead or still a hostage.

I'll try to remember that Jewish lives are far more valuable to you than palestinians lives.
Flat out evil that you are trying to minimize their deaths by reciting an absurd number like 200.

Bet your one of them that say some ridiculously low number of Jews were killed in the Holocaust too

What the heck is wrong with you?
 

maxwel

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Yes of course it is maxwel. Of course both the article and recording are nonsense because Israel is good and palestinians are bad.
Yahshua, let's clarify a few things.

1.) Please don't accuse me of saying things I didn't say.... lets treat each other fairly. Ok?

2.) Specifically, I never said "Israel is good and Palestinians are bad."

3.) I would never claim a piece of evidence is bad MERELY because of who presented it.
(However, there is a caveat in cases where we have no substantiation EXCEPT eyewitness testimony. When a piece of evidence, or a claim, has no substantiation EXCEPT an eyewitness, then the character of the witness must be considered, because there is simply no other way to weigh the evidence. Sometimes in this Israel/Palestine debate, on some occasions, we have ONLY eyewitness testimony, and in such cases we are logically compelled to consider the character of the eyewitness.)

4.) The arguments above are NOT arguments I made in rebutting any of your evidences... so please don't accuse me of doing things in ways I did not.

5.) I took the time to genuinely look over what you presented... and I simply found no substantiated evidence.
A. UNSUBSTANTIATED:
In both cases, the video and the article, I took the time to actually look at them, and then reported what I saw - that the claims were entirely unsubstantiated. I found zero documented data points of any kind.
B.) VIDEO:
I could make a dark video, of an unknown place, with no visible landmarks, and unknown people talking, without even showing their faces so you can't tell if they're even real people, and I could claim it means virtually anything... and I could make it in 5 minutes from my basement. That video simply didn't contrain proof or evidence of anything.
C.) ARTICLE:
The article simply gave no evidence. There were no names and identifiers of actual witnesses, no documentation of incidents, no documentation of anything. It was just a page of claims, with no evidence.

6. Conclusion:
I didn't claim the sovereign state of Israel is perfect and does no wrong; I merely claimed that the evidences you presented were not good evidences.


Have a great week.

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HeIsHere

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Flat out evil that you are trying to minimize their deaths by reciting an absurd number like 200.

Bet your one of them that say some ridiculously low number of Jews were killed in the Holocaust too

What the heck is wrong with you?
The 200 was correction on your 2000 hostages taken.
Go back and read the posts.

hostage taking of several thousand Jews,
Hmm what were you saying about lying?
 

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I wrote this (in part): "Unlike a fetus, Hamas is a terrorist group"

And you responded like this...

"This movement is just another tint of "pro-choice" isn't it though? Following the mentality that, "it is our body (land or what have you) so we are rightful in aborting any unwanted "occupiers." "

The reference to "occupiers" clearly means fetuses.
I wrote this (in part): "Unlike a fetus, Hamas is a terrorist group"

And you responded like this...

"This movement is just another tint of "pro-choice" isn't it though? Following the mentality that, "it is our body (land or what have you) so we are rightful in aborting any unwanted "occupiers." "

The reference to "occupiers" clearly means fetuses.

dude this person is talking about abortion lol
 

Yahshua

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Flat out evil that you are trying to minimize their deaths by reciting an absurd number like 200.

Bet your one of them that say some ridiculously low number of Jews were killed in the Holocaust too

What the heck is wrong with you?
Fake Christians are what's wrong with me. Racist worshippers of an etho-state over all of the scriptures, is what's wrong with me. Murdering of innocent kids is what's wrong with me. Liars are what's wrong with me.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

When all else fails ad hominem, because there's no moral or scriptural ground you can stand on that justifies what they're currently doing. Nothing they have been through justifies what they're currently doing to these people. The palestinians are not the ones who committed Holocaust against them.
 

Yahshua

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Yahshua, let's clarify a few things.

1.) Please don't accuse me of saying things I didn't say.... lets treat each other fairly. Ok?

2.) Specifically, I never said "Israel is good and Palestinians are bad."

3.) I would never claim a piece of evidence is bad MERELY because of who presented it.
(However, there is a caveat in cases where we have no substantiation EXCEPT eyewitness testimony. When a piece of evidence, or a claim, has no substantiation EXCEPT an eyewitness, then the character of the witness must be considered, because there is simply no other way to weigh the evidence. Sometimes in this Israel/Palestine debate, on some occasions, we have ONLY eyewitness testimony, and in such cases we are logically compelled to consider the character of the eyewitness.)

4.) The arguments above are NOT arguments I made in rebutting any of your evidences... so please don't accuse me of doing things in ways I did not.

5.) I took the time to genuinely look over what you presented... and I simply found no substantiated evidence.
A. UNSUBSTANTIATED:
In both cases, the video and the article, I took the time to actually look at them, and then reported what I saw - that the claims were entirely unsubstantiated. I found zero documented data points of any kind.
B.) VIDEO:
I could make a dark video, of an unknown place, with no visible landmarks, and unknown people talking, without even showing their faces so you can't tell if they're even real people, and I could claim it means virtually anything... and I could make it in 5 minutes from my basement. That video simply didn't contrain proof or evidence of anything.
C.) ARTICLE:
The article simply gave no evidence. There were no names and identifiers of actual witnesses, no documentation of incidents, no documentation of anything. It was just a page of claims, with no evidence.

6. Conclusion:
I didn't claim the sovereign state of Israel is perfect and does no wrong; I merely claimed that the evidences you presented were not good evidences.


Have a great week.

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The spirit of this reply is completely different from the spirit of your previous reply to me. And please dont say otherwise as we both have been here for a while and can tell the difference in tone with a good deal of reliability. Likely because you didn't like the "spoonfed" line.

Anyone who's engaged me enough knows that I always initiate replies in good faith when it's done so with me until it ends. So please let's not feign innocence or assume you were being purely achedemic with your reply saying things like "nonsense" and "purely propaganda". That's concluding more than simply "not good evidence".

As I originally said, if you wanted to explore whether it was true or not you would have performed your own research, as we all have access to the same internet. You didn't want to, which is fine. Your prerogative. But typically those who don't want to know one way or another just deny any and all evidence presented rather than engage in study for fear that it will reveal something they rather not see.

Have a good week.
 

PennEd

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Hmm what were you saying about lying?
How about reading the sentence in it's entirety.

"They are calling the murder, rape, and hostage taking of several thousand Jews,"
The sentence includes the ENTIRETY of the list.

Geesh. Am I really dealing with this level of incompetent literacy?

Also, Yash compared the 200 to the 30,000 gazans, making it clear he was talking about the murders.
 

HeIsHere

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the murder, rape, and hostage taking of several thousand Jews,
Well I can see you intent now, but in my language we do not put a comma before "and" so a I read it as a separate clause.

Having stated that, it still was not several thousand, officially 1200 and even those numbers are most likely not accurate, especially when it is known that there is the Hannibal Directive and the (IDF) Apache Helicopters killed their own civilians and soldiers.
 

HeIsHere

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How about reading the sentence in it's entirety.

"They are calling the murder, rape, and hostage taking of several thousand Jews,"
The sentence includes the ENTIRETY of the list.

Geesh. Am I really dealing with this level of incompetent literacy?

Also, Yash compared the 200 to the 30,000 gazans, making it clear he was talking about the murders.
I do have trouble reading your posts slowly and carefully I will admit.
 

ZNP

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We are in the fog of war, the only things we know for sure are that all sides are trying to discredit the other side, and that all sides are well practiced in the art of deception. Propaganda, deep fakes, and using every means at their disposal to win the PR battle.

However, we also have the word of God and would do well to listen to what God says.

1. This is His land.

2. These are His people and He will take care of this matter.

3. The whole world lies in the evil one.

In my opinion the UN trying to divide God's land is stupid, they have overstepped their authority, God warned them in His word, and so they are opening themselves up to judgement. Second, we should take care of our own house. Everything that they are accusing Israel of having done they have done. By accusing Israel they testify against themselves. This will not go good for them when they have to appear before the judgment seat. Instead of telling Israel what they must do, how about telling yourself what you must do. Finally the whole world lies in the evil one, the only way to be righteous is by the blood of Jesus and to be rescued from this evil age. Condemning Israel or Hamas does not fix this, repenting of sins and turning to Jesus the savior fixes it. All of these protestors will have to answer for that, if you are so concerned about fixing the sin of the world why are you not turning to Jesus and embracing Him?
 

HeIsHere

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The spirit of this reply is completely different from the spirit of your previous reply to me. And please dont say otherwise as we both have been here for a while and can tell the difference in tone with a good deal of reliability. Likely because you didn't like the "spoonfed" line.

Anyone who's engaged me enough knows that I always initiate replies in good faith when it's done so with me until it ends. So please let's not feign innocence or assume you were being purely academic with your reply saying things like "nonsense" and "purely propaganda". That's concluding more than simply "not good evidence".

As I originally said, if you wanted to explore whether it was true or not you would have performed your own research, as we all have access to the same internet. You didn't want to, which is fine. Your prerogative. But typically those who don't want to know one way or another just deny any and all evidence presented rather than engage in study for fear that it will reveal something they rather not see.

Have a good week.
Agree, all of sudden we are in a court of law where the witnesses need to be of good character.

Let's set credibility "bar" super duper high so we can then dismiss it as unreliable.

Why are the same standards not applied to the IDF?

There is a double standard operating when it comes to this war.