The hatred of Jews

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ZNP

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The slogan finishes "Palestine will be free", I think? Nothing about extermination of the Jews. So are you lying willfully, or ignorantly? Is it not a reasonable desire and right of all people to be free? Have you heard of the United States Declaration of Independence?

This is a Communist idea, and one promoted by Stalin at the end of World War II. Good guys actually hold individuals to account for their crimes, not an entire people. Holding an entire race or people accountable for the crime of a few is actually a crime against humanity, not that promoting such is anything really new for those supporting terrorists. Should all Americans be held to account for the half million Ukrainians killed trying to hide Biden's corruption?
BTW the uncircumcised Philistine that was defying the armies of God lived in Gaza.
 

Moses_Young

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BTW the uncircumcised Philistine that was defying the armies of God lived in Gaza.
And now we have uncircumcised Philistines - but identifying as Jews - denying the Son of God, and even being so bold as to say that God is on their side as they blaspheme Him and murder true Jews amongst others in their genocide. But perhaps worse than this is that some Christians are even supporting these uncircumcised Philistines simply because they identify as Jews.
 

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Really? We just learned that the number of people killed was greatly exaggerated by the UN and they cannot provide the names or evidence to support the initial reports. We have also learned that UN schools taught the kids in Gaza to hate the Israelis. So we know they are biased and their reporting is not trustworthy if not blatant lies. This is known as the fog of war. People who have actually been in war know about this, people who haven't are much more likely to be in these idiotic protests operating as useful idiots.
This is incorrect, the numbers were not greatly exaggerated.

The UN numbers were adjusted because they have not been able to identify all the bodies in the rubble. They have about 25, 000 identified people.

The estimated number for the total number of people killed by Israel in Gaza and those missing under the rubble or elsewhere has never changed.

Btw "fog of war" (1832) does not really apply anymore in the age of technology, spy surveillance and video recordings.
 

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Btw "fog of war" (1832) does not really apply anymore in the age of technology, spy surveillance and video recordings.
BTW "fog of war" does still apply in the age of propaganda, deep fakes, AI, CIA, Mossad, photoshop, etc.
 

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And now we have uncircumcised Philistines - but identifying as Jews - denying the Son of God, and even being so bold as to say that God is on their side as they blaspheme Him and murder true Jews amongst others in their genocide. But perhaps worse than this is that some Christians are even supporting these uncircumcised Philistines simply because they identify as Jews.
Oh it is much worse than philistines pretending to be jews. We have people pretending to be god, pretending to be the judge, usurping Jesus position as Lord. This may seem incredible but people who were given the commission to call people to repent and be saved, people who are supposed to be followers of Jesus who said He didn't come to judge but to save, these people are actually usurping the Lord's position as judge!

In this trial they are witnesses, not judges!
 

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Oh it is much worse than philistines pretending to be jews. We have people pretending to be god, pretending to be the judge, usurping Jesus position as Lord. This may seem incredible but people who were given the commission to call people to repent and be saved, people who are supposed to be followers of Jesus who said He didn't come to judge but to save, these people are actually usurping the Lord's position as judge!

In this trial they are witnesses, not judges!
Christians have a duty to maintain a civil society, that is why we have laws, courts and yes judges for this world, God will deal with them in the next.
 

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Christians have a duty to maintain a civil society, that is why we have laws, courts and yes judges for this world, God will deal with them in the next.
And certainly not to call evil good, one example being by stating that its okay for a particular group of barbarians to be murdering Christians and non-believers, simply because this group of barbarians self-identifies as Jews or Zionists or even "God's chosen people".
 

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And certainly not to call evil good, one example being by stating that its okay for a particular group of barbarians to be murdering Christians and non-believers, simply because this group of barbarians self-identifies as Jews or Zionists or even "God's chosen people".
It is absolutely painful to watch this deception.

What a huge "Darbyite" gully some Christians have fallen into.
Clear as day

29But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
 

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And certainly not to call evil good, one example being by stating that its okay for a particular group of barbarians to be murdering Christians and non-believers, simply because this group of barbarians self-identifies as Jews or Zionists or even "God's chosen people".
None of what you have said here is true.

1. The Law of Moses makes it clear that if a Gentile agrees to obey that Law and desires to be a part of Israel, he should be accepted as a Jew. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. (Exodus 12: 48,49)

2. Granted that the majority of Jews rejected Christ and still do. But since they wish to practice Judaism (even though it is not totally according to the Law of Moses) they can still call themselves Jews.

3. Most of the Jews today are not from the twelve tribes of Israel. The majority are converts to Judaism. But they are all accepted by others as Jews.

4. Eventually God and Christ will deal with unbelieving Jews. So if they are non-believers today, Paul has already explained why that is the case, and that eventually many from the twelve tribes will be redeemed and restored, and allotted portions of land in future Greater Israel (after the Second Coming of Christ). These would be indeed "God's chosen people" not for anything they have done or deserve, but because of His promises to Abraham.

5. You have falsely accused Israel and the Jews today in Palestine of being "barbarians". Israel has had Arabs living and working in Israel for a long time, and they have been treated properly. Israel has made many concession to its sworn enemies, and this is a part of that.

6. You failed to say that the real barbarians are (a) Islamist terrorists, (b) ISIS and all similar groups, and (c) Hamas and Hezbollah. The fact that these barbarians attacked innocent Westerns and rained terror for a long time and for no reason, shows who are the real barbarians. The fact that ISIS gladly beheaded and burned Americans and others shows who they are. What happened on October 7 was extremely barbaric and uncalled for. In other words you have become a partisan for Hamas and a supporter of evildoers.

7. Israel in not responsible for the plight of Palestinian civilians. That has been deliberately caused by Hamas, Hezbollah, the Palestinian Authority, and Iran. Iran has given billions to the Palestinian terrorists, and not one penny has benefited the people themselves. All the money has gone towards weaponry, ammunition, digging tunnels to attack Israel, and millions to enrich the leaders who live in Qatar, etc.

8. Israel is now under an existential threat. There is no question that the Muslim and Arab worlds wish to see Israel wiped off the map and all the Jews exterminated. Netanyahu is being called a war criminal. But Hamas and Iran declared war on Israel on October 7. Throughout history wars have made no allowance for sparing civilians. So when Israel is at war to simply exist, they are not obliged to avoid whatever is necessary. The UN has stood by while many genocides were perpetrated. But Israel is not willing to have genocide committed. The Holocaust was enough.

9. No doubt they foolishly let down their guard, and the leadership made some very faulty assumptions without any real intelligence. But now they are determined to wipe out Hamas, and they have every right to do so. In fact that is exactly what is needed, not only for Israel but for America. If it means the slaughter of civilians, that was a deliberate move on the part of Hamas to make civilians cannon fodder, and none of the other Arab countries stepped up and helped the civilians move out of Gaza immediately.

It is important for Christians to set the record straight. God desires "justice" and justice means making righteous judgments. And not just for issues pertaining to Christians.
 

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7. Israel in not responsible for the plight of Palestinian civilians.
Correct it was a cooperative effort ......

World War One (1914) - topple the Ottoman Empire to access the land

McMahon- Hussein Agreement (1917) - make promises to the Arabs and then renege on them

Sykes and Picot Agreement (1916) - divide up the land with a crayon to destabilize the region and ensure forever wars

Balfour Declaration delivered it to Lionel Walter Rothschild - money and power are synchronized

1947 Nakba - brutal ethnic cleansing, murder, rapes people forced off the land at gun point

It just warms my heart when "believers" support/find ways to justify the machinations of men so they can bring about the rapture.

Of course we need to put a theology bent on all this so "believers" are part of the support system enter Darby and Scofield.
 

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And certainly not to call evil good, one example being by stating that its okay for a particular group of barbarians to be murdering Christians and non-believers, simply because this group of barbarians self-identifies as Jews or Zionists or even "God's chosen people".
Whoa! Are you saying the doctors committing these 60 million abortions are barbarians? Likewise with the judges and people who say this is OK by their votes?
 

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None of what you have said here is true.

1. The Law of Moses makes it clear that if a Gentile agrees to obey that Law and desires to be a part of Israel, he should be accepted as a Jew. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. (Exodus 12: 48,49)
Many of the nations in bible times were circumcised, but there was much more to being an Israelite than snipping off some excess skin. Egyptians (and other nations) also practiced circumcision in bible times, but an Egyptian coming to Israel and worshiping the false gods of Egypt would have been stoned. Those who think it's okay to murder others to steal their land because of a covenant and promise that was fulfilled more than 2000 years ago are not true Jews.

2. Granted that the majority of Jews rejected Christ and still do. But since they wish to practice Judaism (even though it is not totally according to the Law of Moses) they can still call themselves Jews.
Lol. "Even though it is not totally according to the Law of Moses?" Either it is, or it isn't. Either they are circumcised, or they are uncircumcised. There is no half-way. I believe the scriptures over any man. Here is what Paul says on the matter.

Romans 2:21-29
Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Paul makes it quite clear who the true Jews are, and who the true Jews aren't. Those who break the law become as if they were uncircumcised. We whose hearts are circumcised by the Holy Spirit are true Jews, and this applies even to those who were not physically circumcised.

3. Most of the Jews today are not from the twelve tribes of Israel. The majority are converts to Judaism. But they are all accepted by others as Jews.
The true Jews are those who have been circumcised of heart. No one practices true Judaism today, as the temple has been destroyed since God's judgement for the rejection of Christ (in 70AD). Those who try to practice Judaism become as if they were uncircumcised (refer above to Paul's words from scripture).

4. Eventually God and Christ will deal with unbelieving Jews. So if they are non-believers today, Paul has already explained why that is the case, and that eventually many from the twelve tribes will be redeemed and restored, and allotted portions of land in future Greater Israel (after the Second Coming of Christ). These would be indeed "God's chosen people" not for anything they have done or deserve, but because of His promises to Abraham.
Perhaps there are those who think of themselves as Jews who will be redeemed and restored, perhaps they will not be, and those who Paul spoke of already became true Jews long ago by accepting Jesus. We don't know. But whether some of these today will accept Jesus in future or not, it does not give them the right to commit murder and theft today.

5. You have falsely accused Israel and the Jews today in Palestine of being "barbarians". Israel has had Arabs living and working in Israel for a long time, and they have been treated properly. Israel has made many concession to its sworn enemies, and this is a part of that.
I have correctly accused those of murdering civilians as being barbarians, along with those who justify this sinful behaviour, because that is what they are. These people are no different from the uncircumcised philistines king David was victorious over. Indeed, at least the uncircumcised philistines probably accepted that was what they were.

6. You failed to say that the real barbarians are (a) Islamist terrorists, (b) ISIS and all similar groups, and (c) Hamas and Hezbollah. The fact that these barbarians attacked innocent Westerns and rained terror for a long time and for no reason, shows who are the real barbarians. The fact that ISIS gladly beheaded and burned Americans and others shows who they are. What happened on October 7 was extremely barbaric and uncalled for. In other words you have become a partisan for Hamas and a supporter of evildoers.
Lol. I agree these are barbarians also, but they're not going around trying to justify their actions as some sort of work of God (or if they are, people aren't giving it air-time). The tragedy is the other barbarians are claiming they are justified in their genocide because they are Jews (but are not), and some Christians are daring to support this heresy as if it is a Christian belief!

7. Israel in not responsible for the plight of Palestinian civilians. That has been deliberately caused by Hamas, Hezbollah, the Palestinian Authority, and Iran. Iran has given billions to the Palestinian terrorists, and not one penny has benefited the people themselves. All the money has gone towards weaponry, ammunition, digging tunnels to attack Israel, and millions to enrich the leaders who live in Qatar, etc.
Using soldiers to murder civilians is an act of barbarism. You can try to justify this violence with politics or any other way you like, but it's not justifiable. Murder is murder. I accept (grudgingly) there may be cause for war in some rare cases, but not wholesale genocide and slaughtering civilians.

8. Israel is now under an existential threat. There is no question that the Muslim and Arab worlds wish to see Israel wiped off the map and all the Jews exterminated. Netanyahu is being called a war criminal. But Hamas and Iran declared war on Israel on October 7. Throughout history wars have made no allowance for sparing civilians. So when Israel is at war to simply exist, they are not obliged to avoid whatever is necessary. The UN has stood by while many genocides were perpetrated. But Israel is not willing to have genocide committed. The Holocaust was enough.
So one genocide justifies another? It does not, and it is a foolish argument to make. Also a dangerous argument to make, as "he who lives by the sword will die by the sword".

9. No doubt they foolishly let down their guard, and the leadership made some very faulty assumptions without any real intelligence. But now they are determined to wipe out Hamas, and they have every right to do so. In fact that is exactly what is needed, not only for Israel but for America. If it means the slaughter of civilians, that was a deliberate move on the part of Hamas to make civilians cannon fodder, and none of the other Arab countries stepped up and helped the civilians move out of Gaza immediately.
This is your opinion. My view is that those in Israel responsible for the creation of Hamas should be tried the same as the terrorists they helped create. I'm not sure why you think that just because someone else couldn't or wouldn't stop the victim being murdered that this is somehow their fault rather than the murderer, but I don't see it as relevant to the discussion. More of just trying to justify the unjustifiable by deflecting blame.

It is important for Christians to set the record straight. God desires "justice" and justice means making righteous judgments. And not just for issues pertaining to Christians.
God does desire justice, but pretending that certain people are above the law when it comes to capital crimes because they claim to be God's chosen people is not justice, and in my opinion, it borders on blasphemy.

Whoa! Are you saying the doctors committing these 60 million abortions are barbarians? Likewise with the judges and people who say this is OK by their votes?
Generally, abortionists don't go around saying that killing babies is justified because they are God's chosen people. But I'd be more than happy to see them face the same courts and justice as the Hamas terrorists and Israeli war criminals.
 

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Many of the nations in bible times were circumcised, but there was much more to being an Israelite than snipping off some excess skin. Egyptians (and other nations) also practiced circumcision in bible times, but an Egyptian coming to Israel and worshiping the false gods of Egypt would have been stoned. Those who think it's okay to murder others to steal their land because of a covenant and promise that was fulfilled more than 2000 years ago are not true Jews.

Lol. "Even though it is not totally according to the Law of Moses?" Either it is, or it isn't. Either they are circumcised, or they are uncircumcised. There is no half-way. I believe the scriptures over any man. Here is what Paul says on the matter.

Romans 2:21-29
Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Paul makes it quite clear who the true Jews are, and who the true Jews aren't. Those who break the law become as if they were uncircumcised. We whose hearts are circumcised by the Holy Spirit are true Jews, and this applies even to those who were not physically circumcised.

The true Jews are those who have been circumcised of heart. No one practices true Judaism today, as the temple has been destroyed since God's judgement for the rejection of Christ (in 70AD). Those who try to practice Judaism become as if they were uncircumcised (refer above to Paul's words from scripture).

Perhaps there are those who think of themselves as Jews who will be redeemed and restored, perhaps they will not be, and those who Paul spoke of already became true Jews long ago by accepting Jesus. We don't know. But whether some of these today will accept Jesus in future or not, it does not give them the right to commit murder and theft today.

I have correctly accused those of murdering civilians as being barbarians, along with those who justify this sinful behaviour, because that is what they are. These people are no different from the uncircumcised philistines king David was victorious over. Indeed, at least the uncircumcised philistines probably accepted that was what they were.

Lol. I agree these are barbarians also, but they're not going around trying to justify their actions as some sort of work of God (or if they are, people aren't giving it air-time). The tragedy is the other barbarians are claiming they are justified in their genocide because they are Jews (but are not), and some Christians are daring to support this heresy as if it is a Christian belief!

Using soldiers to murder civilians is an act of barbarism. You can try to justify this violence with politics or any other way you like, but it's not justifiable. Murder is murder. I accept (grudgingly) there may be cause for war in some rare cases, but not wholesale genocide and slaughtering civilians.

So one genocide justifies another? It does not, and it is a foolish argument to make. Also a dangerous argument to make, as "he who lives by the sword will die by the sword".

This is your opinion. My view is that those in Israel responsible for the creation of Hamas should be tried the same as the terrorists they helped create. I'm not sure why you think that just because someone else couldn't or wouldn't stop the victim being murdered that this is somehow their fault rather than the murderer, but I don't see it as relevant to the discussion. More of just trying to justify the unjustifiable by deflecting blame.

God does desire justice, but pretending that certain people are above the law when it comes to capital crimes because they claim to be God's chosen people is not justice, and in my opinion, it borders on blasphemy.

Generally, abortionists don't go around saying that killing babies is justified because they are God's chosen people. But I'd be more than happy to see them face the same courts and justice as the Hamas terrorists and Israeli war criminals.

Awesome post.(y)
Much appreciated.
 

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Of course we need to put a theology bent on all this so "believers" are part of the support system enter Darby and Scofield.
Could you elaborate on this subject and how it relates?
 

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Israeli, international figures react to ‘antisemitic’ ICJ ruling
Global and local politicians respond to ICJ Rafah order - Israel News - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

They have all condemned this "Injustice Court" for antisemitism, ignorance of the facts, and total support for South Africa (which is behind this). South Africa has been working with terrorists for a long time. and hates Israel and the Jews.

Everyone who was quoted has said that Israel must totally ignore that ruling. And I trust Israel will do exactly that.
 

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Could you elaborate on this subject and how it relates?
Just for clarification, do you mean how historical (1840 ish onward) Christian Zionism connects to activism for a Jewish homeland?
 

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Just for clarification, do you mean how historical (1840 ish onward) Christian Zionism connects to activism for a Jewish homeland?
Yes (the basic theology and biblical reference, and how Christian Zionism connects to activism for a Jewish homeland?. And if Darby and Scofield had any personal contact/support with Rothchild or anyone associated with Christian Zionism.
 

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Yes (the basic theology and biblical reference, and how Christian Zionism connects to activism for a Jewish homeland?. And if Darby and Scofield had any personal contact/support with Rothchild or anyone associated with Christian Zionism.
Awesome. There are connections. I will search out the information in my files.
 

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I can’t brag about any doctorate or anything else from the intellectual world, but I’ve been a soldier fighting in the Middle East, against Hezbollah and other religiously motivated groups, where at least Iran has had a finger in the pie.

People outside of that scenario are welcome to discuss the second hand facts they get from both sides of the aisle biased sources.

Try experiencing the battle field and then form a conclusion.
Well i dont know you heared from Israel Today its running from an israel german Christian and they reporting from the Israel side, but try to be objectiv. Its interesting, because many of this news are not to find in the main medias. And sadly the mainmedia reports with sypmhaty to the palastine.
Its horrible that we financed with our social Funds the infrastructure of Hamas, instead to fight against the social needs of the palastine civilians. Also it is horrible that they want to stop the war from Israel side. But i do not see that the made pressure to the Hamas for to Release the hostiles and stopp attacks of Israel. The World is blind!
But I gave to add. Thats in Gods time table.
Today I read Matt.24. All this trouble has to come. Then Jesus will come.
As true believers we should be on the Side of Gods choosen Nation! Even they present are an enemy of Jesus. But this will one day change!