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verse 24 uses an illustration, an allegory.
it is about Redeeming whoever will from the curse of the Law.
most refused and perished in 70AD.
it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.
Islam didn't exist.
please read it again.
Galatians 4
1I say that as long as the heir is a child, he is not distinct from the Servants, though he is Master over all of them; 2But he is under guardians and stewards until the time that his father has appointed. 3In this way also when we were children, we were enslaved under the principles of the world. 4But when the end of time arrived, God sent his Son and he was from a woman and was under The Written Law, 5That he would redeem those who were under The Written Law, and that we would receive the position of children. 6But because you are children, God has sent The Spirit of his Son into your hearts, who cries, “Father, our Father”. 7And therefore you are not Servants but children, and if children, also the heirs of God by Yeshua The Messiah.
8For then when you had not known God, you served those which by their nature were not gods. 9But now that you have known God and especially that you are known by God, you have turned again to those sick and weak principles, and you wish again to be subject to them. 10You observe days and months and times and years. 11I fear lest I have labored among you for nothing.
12Be like me because I also have been like you, my brethren, I beg of you. You have wronged me in nothing, 13For you know that in the illness of my flesh from the first I have preached The Good News to you. 14And you did not ridicule, neither did you loathe the trial of my flesh, but you received me as an Angel of God and as Yeshua The Messiah. 15Where is therefore your blessedness, for I testify of you that if it were possible, you would have plucked out and given your eyes to me? 16Have I become an enemy to you because I have preached the truth to you? 17They imitate you, not for what is excellent but because they want to oppress you that you would imitate them. 18But it is good that you would imitate excellence always, and not only when I am with you. 19My children, those for whom I am in labor again until The Messiah shall be formed in you, 20I wish to be with you now and to change my tone, because I am dumbfounded at you.
21Tell me, you who wish to be under The Written Law, do you not hear The Written Law? 22For it is written: “Abraham had two sons, one from a Maidservant and one from a Freewoman.” 23But he who was from the Maidservant was born of the flesh, but he who was from the Freewoman was by The Promise. 24But these are illustrations of the two Covenants, the one that is from Mount Sinai begets to bondage, which is Hagar. 25For Hagar is Mount Sinai that is in Arabia, and agrees with this Jerusalem and is serving in bondage and its children. 26But that Jerusalem above is free, which is our mother.
27For it is written: “Rejoice, barren one, she who does not bear, triumph and shout, she who does not give birth, because the children of the desolate have increased more than the children of a wife.”
28But we, my brethren, are children of The Promise like Isaac. 29And as then, he who was born by the flesh did persecute him who was of the Spirit, so it is now also.
30But what do the Scriptures say? Cast out the Maidservant and her son because the son of the Maidservant will not inherit with the son of the Freewoman.
31We therefore, my brethren, are not children of the Maidservant, but children of the Freewoman.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
it is about Redeeming whoever will from the curse of the Law.
most refused and perished in 70AD.
it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.
Islam didn't exist.
please read it again.
Galatians 4
1I say that as long as the heir is a child, he is not distinct from the Servants, though he is Master over all of them; 2But he is under guardians and stewards until the time that his father has appointed. 3In this way also when we were children, we were enslaved under the principles of the world. 4But when the end of time arrived, God sent his Son and he was from a woman and was under The Written Law, 5That he would redeem those who were under The Written Law, and that we would receive the position of children. 6But because you are children, God has sent The Spirit of his Son into your hearts, who cries, “Father, our Father”. 7And therefore you are not Servants but children, and if children, also the heirs of God by Yeshua The Messiah.
8For then when you had not known God, you served those which by their nature were not gods. 9But now that you have known God and especially that you are known by God, you have turned again to those sick and weak principles, and you wish again to be subject to them. 10You observe days and months and times and years. 11I fear lest I have labored among you for nothing.
12Be like me because I also have been like you, my brethren, I beg of you. You have wronged me in nothing, 13For you know that in the illness of my flesh from the first I have preached The Good News to you. 14And you did not ridicule, neither did you loathe the trial of my flesh, but you received me as an Angel of God and as Yeshua The Messiah. 15Where is therefore your blessedness, for I testify of you that if it were possible, you would have plucked out and given your eyes to me? 16Have I become an enemy to you because I have preached the truth to you? 17They imitate you, not for what is excellent but because they want to oppress you that you would imitate them. 18But it is good that you would imitate excellence always, and not only when I am with you. 19My children, those for whom I am in labor again until The Messiah shall be formed in you, 20I wish to be with you now and to change my tone, because I am dumbfounded at you.
21Tell me, you who wish to be under The Written Law, do you not hear The Written Law? 22For it is written: “Abraham had two sons, one from a Maidservant and one from a Freewoman.” 23But he who was from the Maidservant was born of the flesh, but he who was from the Freewoman was by The Promise. 24But these are illustrations of the two Covenants, the one that is from Mount Sinai begets to bondage, which is Hagar. 25For Hagar is Mount Sinai that is in Arabia, and agrees with this Jerusalem and is serving in bondage and its children. 26But that Jerusalem above is free, which is our mother.
27For it is written: “Rejoice, barren one, she who does not bear, triumph and shout, she who does not give birth, because the children of the desolate have increased more than the children of a wife.”
28But we, my brethren, are children of The Promise like Isaac. 29And as then, he who was born by the flesh did persecute him who was of the Spirit, so it is now also.
30But what do the Scriptures say? Cast out the Maidservant and her son because the son of the Maidservant will not inherit with the son of the Freewoman.
31We therefore, my brethren, are not children of the Maidservant, but children of the Freewoman.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
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Look, I understand the symbolism that was being shown in this scripture. I never debated that. The symbolism of something does not make the literal cease to be true.
I don't know why you take such particular offense in the topic.
I personally know people that have spent time in other part of the earth and have suffered great persecution from Islam; one was nearly stoned to death. There are a couple of hundred of Christians that are martyred each day (mostly by Islam) and I find it very upsetting that when I discuss these things, most "Christians" don't want to seem to be bothered with it. The fact that some Christians are being even more so sympathetic to Islam that some are even beginning to take a stance with Islam in these slaughterings is staggering. Yet you scoff at the term "Chrislam" while it is happening? THAT is what issue I have with you.
I know very well what took place then with Jerusalem; but what about now?
What about our brethren that are suffering in the world today? Are we to overlook it because some have trouble finding mention of it in the scriptures? God forbid.
I don't know why you take such particular offense in the topic.
I personally know people that have spent time in other part of the earth and have suffered great persecution from Islam; one was nearly stoned to death. There are a couple of hundred of Christians that are martyred each day (mostly by Islam) and I find it very upsetting that when I discuss these things, most "Christians" don't want to seem to be bothered with it. The fact that some Christians are being even more so sympathetic to Islam that some are even beginning to take a stance with Islam in these slaughterings is staggering. Yet you scoff at the term "Chrislam" while it is happening? THAT is what issue I have with you.
I know very well what took place then with Jerusalem; but what about now?
What about our brethren that are suffering in the world today? Are we to overlook it because some have trouble finding mention of it in the scriptures? God forbid.
Understand. I have talked to Muslims and shared the gospel with them. This is what we should be doing. Praying for them just as much as we should be praying for the brothers and sisters that are suffering. I do not hate Muslims and would encourage others to love them and have compassion towards them. I pray that as many that will hear, will receive the truth that is in our Lord, Jesus Christ.
I think that it would be best that if you would like to further discuss this, that you PM me so this is not a disruption to the threads.
I think that it would be best that if you would like to further discuss this, that you PM me so this is not a disruption to the threads.
The background of the bombing suspect currently being looked for...
http://www.jconline.com/article/20130419/NEWS11/304190020/Who-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-?nclick_check=1
Huh. Imagine that.
http://www.jconline.com/article/20130419/NEWS11/304190020/Who-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-?nclick_check=1
Huh. Imagine that.
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No, the left prefers lies to truth, and are only in favor of free speech when it is theirs. They are in such sheer terror of truth that they feel compelled to censor it.
Now let me ask you a question, my friend. What kind of a god do you suppose, would convince his followers, that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even to pray in Jesus' name, would constitute the only unforgivable sin?
As proclaimed by so many Islamic sites
That praying in Jesus' name as Christians have for almost 2,000 years constitutes an unforgivable sin, as compared to child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder, for example, which may be forgiven.
Would you consider that indicates that Muhammad's stand-alone alter-ego "Allah" that you follow through his stand-alone 23-year 7th century record would be a just God?
Now let me ask you a question, my friend. What kind of a god do you suppose, would convince his followers, that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even to pray in Jesus' name, would constitute the only unforgivable sin?
As proclaimed by so many Islamic sites
That praying in Jesus' name as Christians have for almost 2,000 years constitutes an unforgivable sin, as compared to child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder, for example, which may be forgiven.
Would you consider that indicates that Muhammad's stand-alone alter-ego "Allah" that you follow through his stand-alone 23-year 7th century record would be a just God?
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Now I understand why you are so messed up over Islam.
A bit of a sad site.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."[/FONT]
[video=youtube;8sk3fKY9PhY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sk3fKY9PhY[/video]
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Scripture confirms that:
1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Let's see if Drett confirms that only Satan would convince his followers, that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even to pray in Jesus' name, would constitute the only unforgivable sin.
As proclaimed by so many Islamic sites
That praying in Jesus' name as Christians have for almost 2,000 years constitutes an unforgivable sin, as compared to child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder, for example, which may be forgiven.
If Drett will confirm hat Muhammad's stand-alone alter-ego "Allah" through Muhammad's stand-alone 23-year 7th century record, would be indicated as being a just God for such.
1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Let's see if Drett confirms that only Satan would convince his followers, that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even to pray in Jesus' name, would constitute the only unforgivable sin.
As proclaimed by so many Islamic sites
That praying in Jesus' name as Christians have for almost 2,000 years constitutes an unforgivable sin, as compared to child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder, for example, which may be forgiven.
If Drett will confirm hat Muhammad's stand-alone alter-ego "Allah" through Muhammad's stand-alone 23-year 7th century record, would be indicated as being a just God for such.
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I was rather shocked when I found out the depth of Islamic influence in World War II. I was a bit upset that it was never discussed more in history class in school.
The other thing that shocked me was when I found out the number of Christians that were also killed. Jews and Christians primarily. The same two people that Islam is targets today.
From what I have seen though history, Islam's greatest strategy (which is outlined in the Qur'an) is to cause discord and division (Alexander the great also used this tactic) while staying hidden for the most part.
According to Islam, the 12th Imam is supposed to be able to fulfill what was not able to be done before.
I'm not preaching for Islam, but everything they claim are the same things Jesus said to watch for... nation rising against nation, the believers being thrown in prison, etc...
So my message is the same as Jesus, "Watch and pray."
Thanks for sharing that Peter.
The other thing that shocked me was when I found out the number of Christians that were also killed. Jews and Christians primarily. The same two people that Islam is targets today.
From what I have seen though history, Islam's greatest strategy (which is outlined in the Qur'an) is to cause discord and division (Alexander the great also used this tactic) while staying hidden for the most part.
According to Islam, the 12th Imam is supposed to be able to fulfill what was not able to be done before.
I'm not preaching for Islam, but everything they claim are the same things Jesus said to watch for... nation rising against nation, the believers being thrown in prison, etc...
So my message is the same as Jesus, "Watch and pray."
Thanks for sharing that Peter.
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You would think the stunning reality would be enough to even bring an atheist to Christ, wouldn't you?
The same enemy of God's people from the beginning - Satan himself.
But then if you think about it, you might notice that it has always been Satan's tactic. If he came out and said "follow me I am Satan" how many people would? He even appeared to Muhammad as an angel of light in a cave:
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[video=youtube;mpsWnbApBNw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsWnbApBNw[/video]
It's funny. Jesus is supposed to return in the clouds, just as He left.
The 12th Imam is supposed to crawl out of a well! From the same direction that Muslims press their foreheads 5 times a day, and the direction the rest of us generally associate with hell. Isn't that ironic?!
There is danger in that. To give any credence to Muhammad's prophesies is to credit him with divine inspiration. No shortage of futurist Christians make the mistake of suggesting that since Muhammad prophesied of 'The' 'Antichrist' as the dajjall it confirms Darby's doctrine. But rather than confirmation, what that should suggest to folks that are looking for a future individual as "The" "Antichrist", might be better served by revisiting the source of that belief. Perhaps expressed by nobody replying to the thread at this link:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/62613-division-body-christ-temple-god.html
Indeed. Watch and pray, because bible prophecy may be nearly or even completely fulfilled:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61666-mark-beast-4.html
This copied from the post on that link:
Muslims are the ONLY group that follow A FALSE PROPHET that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF WHICH is NECESSARILY ANTICHRIST as an ARTICLE OF THEIR FAITH in the false prophet Muhammad. That's 1/4 of mankind that are also required to DISBELIEVE the crucifixion of Christ, and DENY the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood, AS ARTICLES OF FAITH in THE false prophet Muhammad. That's 1.5 billion people that are taught that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus' name, is to commit the single most egregious - and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN ("shirk") - as compared to child rape, or cold blooded mass murder, for example, which may be forgiven.
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Satan's messenger, THE false prophet Muhammad, filled his followers with complete resolve as to what to DISBELIEVE and DENY and REJECT. Islam is to Christianity as the negative is to a photograph. The ONLY ANTI-A-SPECIFIC-RELIGION CULT ON EARTH.
Commanded to conquer all kingdoms, and subjugate all people to DISBELIEVING the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God and REJECTING His shed blood as articles of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone.
Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
Which conquest they've nearly completed in John's "whole world". Particularly in recent years in conjunction with the forces of anti-Zionism that work toward the same end that Muhammad, Hitler and every other anti-Semite has had - persecution and genocide of Jews.
Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
In other words, through an ethnographic hermeneutic, nearly John's "whole world" has already been conquered by the "beast" and is marked by the name of the Islamic beast - TODAY.
Strong's
world
New Testament Greek Definition:
3625 oikoumene {oy-kou-men'-ay}
feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by
implication of 1093); TDNT - 5:157,674; n f
AV - world 14, earth 1; 15
1) the inhabited earth
1a) the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in
distinction from the lands of the barbarians
1b) the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire
1c) the whole inhabited earth, the world
1d) the inhabitants of the earth, men
2) the universe, the world
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast {Islam - Muslim}, or the number {666} of his name.
The same enemy of God's people from the beginning - Satan himself.
But then if you think about it, you might notice that it has always been Satan's tactic. If he came out and said "follow me I am Satan" how many people would? He even appeared to Muhammad as an angel of light in a cave:
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[video=youtube;mpsWnbApBNw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsWnbApBNw[/video]
It's funny. Jesus is supposed to return in the clouds, just as He left.
The 12th Imam is supposed to crawl out of a well! From the same direction that Muslims press their foreheads 5 times a day, and the direction the rest of us generally associate with hell. Isn't that ironic?!
There is danger in that. To give any credence to Muhammad's prophesies is to credit him with divine inspiration. No shortage of futurist Christians make the mistake of suggesting that since Muhammad prophesied of 'The' 'Antichrist' as the dajjall it confirms Darby's doctrine. But rather than confirmation, what that should suggest to folks that are looking for a future individual as "The" "Antichrist", might be better served by revisiting the source of that belief. Perhaps expressed by nobody replying to the thread at this link:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/62613-division-body-christ-temple-god.html
Indeed. Watch and pray, because bible prophecy may be nearly or even completely fulfilled:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61666-mark-beast-4.html
This copied from the post on that link:
Muslims are the ONLY group that follow A FALSE PROPHET that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF WHICH is NECESSARILY ANTICHRIST as an ARTICLE OF THEIR FAITH in the false prophet Muhammad. That's 1/4 of mankind that are also required to DISBELIEVE the crucifixion of Christ, and DENY the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood, AS ARTICLES OF FAITH in THE false prophet Muhammad. That's 1.5 billion people that are taught that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus' name, is to commit the single most egregious - and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN ("shirk") - as compared to child rape, or cold blooded mass murder, for example, which may be forgiven.
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Satan's messenger, THE false prophet Muhammad, filled his followers with complete resolve as to what to DISBELIEVE and DENY and REJECT. Islam is to Christianity as the negative is to a photograph. The ONLY ANTI-A-SPECIFIC-RELIGION CULT ON EARTH.
Commanded to conquer all kingdoms, and subjugate all people to DISBELIEVING the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God and REJECTING His shed blood as articles of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone.
Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
Which conquest they've nearly completed in John's "whole world". Particularly in recent years in conjunction with the forces of anti-Zionism that work toward the same end that Muhammad, Hitler and every other anti-Semite has had - persecution and genocide of Jews.
Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
In other words, through an ethnographic hermeneutic, nearly John's "whole world" has already been conquered by the "beast" and is marked by the name of the Islamic beast - TODAY.
Strong's
world
New Testament Greek Definition:
3625 oikoumene {oy-kou-men'-ay}
feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by
implication of 1093); TDNT - 5:157,674; n f
AV - world 14, earth 1; 15
1) the inhabited earth
1a) the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in
distinction from the lands of the barbarians
1b) the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire
1c) the whole inhabited earth, the world
1d) the inhabitants of the earth, men
2) the universe, the world
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast {Islam - Muslim}, or the number {666} of his name.
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Looking through your post I see you post the same stuff over and over again. As I have told you before Waldo I am restricted by the rules of this chat site in my reply. I have accepted these rules. I think you are now taking advantage of this. That's cool I am quite happy to wait for judgement day for the truth to come out. I suggest you read Zone first entries on The Yinon Plan, al-Qaeda and other plans to get actually what happened in the World Wars if you want to educate yourself on the not so great World Wars.
I suggest you read Zone first entries on The Yinon Plan, al-Qaeda and other plans to get actually what happened in the World Wars if you want to educate yourself on the not so great World Wars.