The politics of Gay rights.

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The word is perfectly legitimate. The connotation folks impose upon it is where the trouble arises. I prefer the word Sodomite because it has a biblical meaning. The word gay is also perfectly legitimate yet it's modern application has been skewed to mean something less than virtuous.

I do not think the Lord is offended by anything you have done.

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Roger
"I prefer sodomite because it's a much more brutal word. I don't think the Lord is offended by you calling other people disparaging nicknames. Mark 12:31 doesn't apply to the gays!"
 

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"I prefer sodomite because it's a much more brutal word. I don't think the Lord is offended by you calling other people disparaging nicknames. Mark 12:31 doesn't apply to the gays!"
Oft times treatment of lethal diseases requires treatments that are seen as brutal. Sugar coating truth certainly leads to death.

You do not love your neighbor if you do not teach him Gods word.

The great failure of Gods elect was their failure to teach the nations round about them the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
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"I prefer sodomite because it's a much more brutal word. I don't think the Lord is offended by you calling other people disparaging nicknames. Mark 12:31 doesn't apply to the gays!"
Loving someone doesn't mean you agree with everything they do.
 
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Oft times treatment of lethal diseases requires treatments that are seen as brutal. Sugar coating truth certainly leads to death.

You do not love your neighbor if you do not teach him Gods word.

The great failure of Gods elect was their failure to teach the nations round about them the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
"Hey you, girl living with her boyfriend. You're a total slag. Oh no I'm trying to help you with tough love!"

Some people use the veneer of 'Just being truthful" as an excuse to be cruel and terrible to others. If I'm not fooled than God sure won't be.
 

notuptome

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"Hey you, girl living with her boyfriend. You're a total slag. Oh no I'm trying to help you with tough love!"

Some people use the veneer of 'Just being truthful" as an excuse to be cruel and terrible to others. If I'm not fooled than God sure won't be.
Some people pretend to be Christians so that folks won't know how corrupt they are in their hearts. The first person and the only person they fool is themselves.

A person led by the Holy Spirit does not use Gods word to bludgeon sinners but allows the Holy Spirit to pierce the hearts with conviction over sin and the need to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Such people will always turn your words back on you, anyone experience that? Very devious calculated minds. But I think it is based on bad experiences, but maybe bad experiences dealt with improperly, as in placing judgement, resent, or hatred - where there should have been, love, kindness and compassion.

Which is more apparent in what people say, which side of this balance do they lean?

You cannot be judgemental in a loving way. But spiritual judgement is an entirely different thing. Things are turned on their head when they become spiritual. Like spiritual hatred is different to our form of hatred, spiritual judgement is different from our typical form of judgement which is so apparent in society. It's so easy to judge. It's a default of being a human. A saint however has overcome this carnal nature.

It's so easy for one to judge and then justify by saying the Bible says so, or my mum says so, or the Church says so, like it never came from them, and that they are just a messenger, a white dove of love and kindness... yes of course. A kind well-meaning messenger of God.

Do you notice anyone who is particularly good at turning words back on people, in order to self-preserve? They are the people to watch out for.


"Hey you, girl living with her boyfriend. You're a total slag. Oh no I'm trying to help you with tough love!"

Some people use the veneer of 'Just being truthful" as an excuse to be cruel and terrible to others. If I'm not fooled than God sure won't be.
 

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the people to 'watch out for'!, are the ones who's hearts represents their Love for their Saviour...
they 'always' have 'others concerns/needs a priority in their hearts and prayers...
 
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Indeed, but one must watch out for those who wear sheep's clothing, while watching out for those who represent God authentically and as such, are less biased. If you want to influence someone, show them all the love you have in you, if you have it in you.

the people to 'watch out for'!, are the ones who's hearts represents their Love for their Saviour...
they 'always' have 'others concerns/needs a priority in their hearts and prayers...
 

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Back in "the day" you could also call another group of people another word without facing consequences from society. Do you miss that also?

The second someone calls another out group nasty names I immediately know where they are really coming from, and it ain't "morality".
Thou Shalt Not Tolerate the ‘Intolerant’

On today’s university campuses, tolerance of others is considered one of the great
virtues. But how do the “tolerant” respond to people they view as “intolerant”?

Across America, more people are being pushed from the public view for
simply stating their opinions on subjects like homosexual “marriage.”
 

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It is understandable that most Christians think that homosexuality is wrong according to the scriptures. However, homosexual people do exist in great numbers in this country. Do they have rights that should be protected?


The US Constitution has an equal protection clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

''The clause, which took effect in 1868, provides that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction "the equal protection of the laws".

Under this Amendment there is no provision which excludes any class in society from this protection.
 

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The US Constitution has an equal protection clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

''The clause, which took effect in 1868, provides that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction "the equal protection of the laws".

Under this Amendment there is no provision which excludes any class in society from this protection.
Would that equal protection go to bakers, florists, pastors, business owners, etc to be allowed not to celebrate, do same-sex marriages, make homosexual wedding cakes, etc instead of being sued, sent death threats, hated, ridiculed, etc. Since you would say no, then I am saddened by you and question if you are a Christian or have been brainwashed by this world. Also, homosexuals can vote as well as other things and they could have done legal things in order to have benefits and all that. But no, they go after Christians, people who want to apply biblical principles in their business endeavors. Nowadays, our culture says no. That is not right, it is not tolerant, it is intolerant and needs to stop.
 
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willfollowsgod


I am saddened by you and question if you are a Christian or have been brainwashed by this world


You need not worry yourself about my sentiments or world outlook as that is not at issue here.

The issue is whether homosexuals have rights under the law so let's keep the discussion to that and nothing more.


The right to marry is viewed under the law as a right to contract: "The right to marry is a fundamental civil right that is guaranteed by the United States Constitution and, more specifically, protected under the civil right to enter into contracts (as marriage is seen as a contract between two people governed by the state)".





While the definitions of contractual rights have altered over the ages, a definition of marriage has changed as well as per the following: In 2015, the Supreme Court decision in Obergefell v. Hodges marked a historic change in marriage law across the United States by declaring that denying same-sex couples the freedom to marry violates the U.S. Constitution. This decision invalidated all state statutes and constitutional amendments barring same-sex marriages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges



The key according to the court were due process and equal protection clause considerations.
 
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Voting against same-sex marriage would be taking someone's rights away based on religious principles which would be theocracy, so now I'm not going to do that because theocracy is tyranny

For once I agree with you. Every person has the right to exercise his or her free will. If they wish to choose the fires of hell as their eternal abode, that is their right! And that is exactly what they would be choosing, just like the inhabitants of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were choosing!


1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
 

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Would that equal protection go to bakers, florists, pastors, business owners, etc to be allowed not to celebrate, do same-sex marriages, make homosexual wedding cakes, etc instead of being sued, sent death threats, hated, ridiculed, etc. Since you would say no, then I am saddened by you and question if you are a Christian or have been brainwashed by this world. Also, homosexuals can vote as well as other things and they could have done legal things in order to have benefits and all that. But no, they go after Christians, people who want to apply biblical principles in their business endeavors. Nowadays, our culture says no. That is not right, it is not tolerant, it is intolerant and needs to stop.
If you operate a public business you should not be able to discriminate just because you do not approve of another's lifestyle.
 
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If you operate a public business you should not be able to discriminate just because you do not approve of another's lifestyle.
But is that not discrimination? Why should I lose my rights BECAUSE of my religious beliefs?
Its not like they can not go to another business.
 

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Why not? They are in your establishment, and you're within your right to deny them a service, gay or not...


I know if two gays came into my store, sucking face and all touchy feely, I'd ask them to leave.If they asked me to make a cake for them for their wedding, I'd refuse because gay marriage is just unnatural and wrong and I don't approve of that lifestyle..


If you operate a public business you should not be able to discriminate just because you do not approve of another's lifestyle.
 

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Gays just need to understand that being gay does not give you super natural rights.

If someone won't bake you a gay cake, then go elsewhere, don't attack the bakery owner for denying you service, it is their right to deny it.

When talking about legal Gay marriage, then we can just see how the beasts agenda is actually working and it is only going to make the world worse for our children and their children.




I am actually seeing ads now with gay guys on them. That was something that was not really seen before. This will just influence the generations to come.

Think about it people, the beast agenda is pulling the strings. Presidents and authorities are just puppets.

Wake up.
 

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Why not? They are in your establishment, and you're within your right to deny them a service, gay or not...


I know if two gays came into my store, sucking face and all touchy feely, I'd ask them to leave.If they asked me to make a cake for them for their wedding, I'd refuse because gay marriage is just unnatural and wrong and I don't approve of that lifestyle..
Sorry, i guess you could close your business and work in a factory or some such where you will not be offended.
 
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The thing of it is is that they see it as who they are not as a choice..

Who's up for working that angle? Not many

If you operate a public business you should not be able to discriminate just because you do not approve of another's lifestyle.