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I have successfully used Obamacare through MnSure which protects Minnesotans who do not have coverage. But as I will soon turn 65 I will now be under Medicare so that I will no longer be covered by ACA.
Interestingly, Republican politician Marsha Blackburn bought into the idea that ACA is unpopular or that it doesn't work. When she asked her Twitter followers about it, she was surprised to see that the vast majority of her friends supported it:



Republican lawmaker's Twitter poll on repealing Obamacare just backfired completely


Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tennessee) just conducted a Twitter poll about Obamacare repeal, and it definitely didn’t go as planned.Rep. Blackburn decided to ask her roughly 26,500 Twitter followers if they supported repealing the Affordable Care Act, and to respond “yes” by retweeting, and commenting on the tweet as to what they’d like to see as its replacement. But Rep. Blackburn and her Republican ilk appear to be vastly in the minority, according to her Twitter poll.


more at link ...


Two years ago [FONT=&]Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers had a similar on shock on her Facebook account because while President Obama has been widely criticized by the far right for ACA, there are millions who benefited from it. There is now some discussion that Republicans are actually looking to replace it with a system that actually works. Let us hope so. After all, I have said before, I am willing to give Trump his chance at backing up his words. Time will tell whether he does or not.
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Dollars & Cents. What is it costing you?
 

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No body is entitled to anything. What's a fair share? If the 92% want those riches, they need to work for it.
Take it up with God. The Bible basically says the same thing about those who cheat others in order to gain wealth:

Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. ...

It's interesting that RickyZ is one of the few people quoting scripture in this thread. There's nothing wrong with being rich as long as you follow the ways of God. The problem is that so few do, which is why the Bible states that it's next to impossible for the rich to be saved. In our materialistic wealth obsessed society this is a verse that we find uncomfortable and try to downplay. Trump's wealth is meaningless unless he is a Christian (I have no idea if he is or not).
 
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I constantly hear malcontents whinning about Trump cheating people.

Can you name any? I probably know far more about Trump's business dealings than most here, and I can't name any.

If they used inferior materials than their contract specified, he didn't pay them.
If they did poor, substandard work, he didn't pay them.
If they failed to meet their schedules, they suffered the penalty.

This is all simple business that I lived by for my entire career. But a lot of people want to be paid, even when they try to get away with inferior delivery.
 

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Even the founders were rich people. This notion that you have to be poor to be virtuous and do the right thing is nonesense. In fact, it might be detrimental to to put poor people in power seeing how they obviously don't understand money. And that's not even mentioning the fact that you'll never be elected without money.
 

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Even the founders were rich people. This notion that you have to be poor to be virtuous and do the right thing is nonesense. In fact, it might be detrimental to to put poor people in power seeing how they obviously don't understand money. And that's not even mentioning the fact that you'll never be elected without money.
You don't have to be poor to be virtuous but the Bible is very clear about the fact that the rich are far less likely to be virtuous and to be saved. I don't believe in envying or bashing the rich, they have a heavy burden to carry. I'm not sure I'd want to be rich myself with the high chance of burning in hell for all eternity that comes with it. You can actually see examples of this when you look at Christianity in wealthy western countries vs Christianity in poor developing countries. In wealthy comfortable western countries the number of Christians has been declining. In poorer places like the African countries Christianity has been rising. The more comfortable you are the less likely you'll lean on God for strength and assistance.

The rich have have always been in charge of secular worldly governments and I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. The Bible does say not to put our trust in rulers and I would say that's the best way of looking at people like Obama or Trump. It's better not to put our trust in any of them.
 
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BTW. Trump just exposed the existing division of this country for all to openly see and deal with. It is Obama who has been subversively creating division among us for nearly a decade.
:)Just for the sake of those who do not know the DIVISIONS that Trump exposed that you say President Obama created,would you name a few,although I agree with you If you are talking about President Obama promoting gay rights and abortion rights to the the extreme.
 

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I constantly hear malcontents whinning about Trump cheating people.

Can you name any? I probably know far more about Trump's business dealings than most here, and I can't name any.

If they used inferior materials than their contract specified, he didn't pay them.
If they did poor, substandard work, he didn't pay them.
If they failed to meet their schedules, they suffered the penalty.

This is all simple business that I lived by for my entire career. But a lot of people want to be paid, even when they try to get away with inferior delivery.
My post really wasn't about Trump specifically but about wealth in general. As I said, I have no idea about the state of Mr. Trump's soul.
 

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I would say Comey coming out with that Info at the time that he did,did Indeed hurt Clinton and pointing out that truth Is not BASHING Comey,It's merely pointing out the truth.
No, no, no.... Clinton hurt herself when she decided to use her own email server.
 

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:)Just for the sake of those who do not know the DIVISIONS that Trump exposed that you say President Obama created,would you name a few,although I agree with you If you are talking about President Obama promoting gay rights and abortion rights to the the extreme.
I have a couple for you. How about all the cop hating mysoginyst black supremacists/white guilt liberal "pretty people" Obama the great is inviting to the White House for one last hoe down on the tax payers dime before he is evicted from his public housing?
 
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I constantly hear malcontents whinning about Trump cheating people.

Can you name any? I probably know far more about Trump's business dealings than most here, and I can't name any.

If they used inferior materials than their contract specified, he didn't pay them.
If they did poor, substandard work, he didn't pay them.
If they failed to meet their schedules, they suffered the penalty.

This is all simple business that I lived by for my entire career. But a lot of people want to be paid, even when they try to get away with inferior delivery.
What If the people that he allegedly cheated were to actually come forward and give their testimony about how Donald Trump cheated them,would you believe them then,I will go by what I have heard you say and say that you would not believe first hand testemony even If they present evidence,thats called being biased.
 
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Hillary, Obama, and the whole Dim party have not been blaming Comey? What have I missed?.... I thought I heard it broadcast from CA to ME.
I would say Comey coming out with that Info at the time that he did,did Indeed hurt Clinton and pointing out that truth Is not BASHING Comey,It's merely pointing out the truth.
No, no, no.... Clinton hurt herself when she decided to use her own email server.
Apples and Oranges.
 
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What If the people that he allegedly cheated were to actually come forward and give their testimony about how Donald Trump cheated them,would you believe them then,I will go by what I have heard you say and say that you would not believe first hand testemony even If they present evidence,thats called being biased.
Not without documented proof.

It's like all the Dims jumping on Trump for supposedly not renting to blacks in the 60's or 70's, I think it was. The truth was that he refused to rent to people of any color for cheap prices, and kicked them out if they refused to pay the agreed upon rent.... AND at the time of those lawsuits brought against him, he actually had several black families living in his buildings, and uprightly and honestly paying their rent with no problems, whatsoever.
 
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I have a couple for you. How about all the cop hating mysoginyst black supremacists/white guilt liberal "pretty people" Obama the great is inviting to the White House for one last hoe down on the tax payers dime before he is evicted from his public housing?
:) I never heard of this,can you name a few.
 
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Not without documented proof.

It's like all the Dims jumping on Trump for supposedly not renting to blacks in the 60's or 70's, I think it was. The truth was that he refused to rent to people of any color for cheap prices, and kicked them out if they refused to pay the agreed upon rent.... AND at the time of those lawsuits brought against him, he actually had several black families living in his buildings, and uprightly and honestly paying their rent with no problems, whatsoever.
:eek:Are you proclaiming this opinion based on what you heard or what you have actually went through yourself.:p
 
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:eek:Are you proclaiming this opinion based on what you heard or what you have actually went through yourself.:p
Trump and I are the same age, and we are in the same business. I have admired him, and followed his career for about 37 years. I'm pretty aware of the details of just about everything he has been involved in.
 
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Trump and I are the same age, and we are in the same business. I have admired him, and followed his career for about 37 years. I'm pretty aware of the details of just about everything he has been involved in.
I hope you are not biased,America needs a big brother,not someone's perceived hero.
 
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I've seen Obama, repeatedly, blow noisily, and do nothing. I have watched Trump come through on his promises hundreds of times. DJT is already doing it, and he is still two weeks from taking office.
 
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I've seen Obama, repeatedly, blow noisily, and do nothing. I have watched Trump come through on his promises hundreds of times. DJT is already doing it, and he is still two weeks from taking office.
I for one would like to see him make America great again but from what I see,he Is starting out on the wrong note.
 

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You don't have to be poor to be virtuous but the Bible is very clear about the fact that the rich are far less likely to be virtuous and to be saved. I don't believe in envying or bashing the rich, they have a heavy burden to carry. I'm not sure I'd want to be rich myself with the high chance of burning in hell for all eternity that comes with it. You can actually see examples of this when you look at Christianity in wealthy western countries vs Christianity in poor developing countries. In wealthy comfortable western countries the number of Christians has been declining. In poorer places like the African countries Christianity has been rising. The more comfortable you are the less likely you'll lean on God for strength and assistance.

The rich have have always been in charge of secular worldly governments and I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. The Bible does say not to put our trust in rulers and I would say that's the best way of looking at people like Obama or Trump. It's better not to put our trust in any of them.
And the more they taken are advantage of by the monsters who put themselves at the top on the backs of those "happy and content poor people". It's a simple fact of scripture that money is to be stewarded and used for good....and how can you do that if you ain't got any?