The US will send a carrier strike group to the Eastern Mediterranean in support of Israel

[SomeDisciple]

I pray for both sides as they both have a plight. Israel was attacked but they've had Gaza in a prison style life for years. It must be terrifying on both sides as both sides are killing civilians.

You seem to be conveniently forgetting something. All Palestinian leaders for a very long time have rejected every effort for a peaceful settlement and peace. They have deliberately sought war in order to keep their power. They have used their own people as pawns. So it is not Israel who has kept Gaza as prisoners. Their own wicked leaders have been doing this.

There was a very simple solution to the Palestinian mess. Saudi Arabia has more than enough land to resettle every Palestinian. They could have created a little Palestine over there and also helped raise their standard of living. That was a Muslim land with huge amounts of cash. Palestinians did not need to live as refugees for decades. And the historical fact is that Palestine belonged to the Jews. But hatred for Jews has been the prime motivator in all of this.

I can actually appreciate both of these posts; because, I'm sure that there are at least some "Palestinians" who are just trying to get by in life and don't know their right hand from their left- and these have my sympathy.

But at the end of the day, I think N6 is right too: these conflicts over Israel are incredibly stupid and unnecessary. Muslims countries are so concerned about trolling Israel with Jerusalem, they have lost solidarity with Saudi Arabia... where their "most holy" Mecca is. It shows you where their priorities really are.

 

[NightTwister]

Jimmy Carter said it exactly right. America's most serious problem is dependence on Middle East oil.

I remember him saying it was nuclear proliferation because his daughter said so

 

[iamsoandso]

Jimmy Carter said it exactly right. America's most serious problem is dependence on Middle East oil. While that situation remains, America can't afford to upset Muslim nations. I hope Americans embrace electric vehicles so the country no longer depends on the Middle East. It's likely too late to make a difference.

America must be reduced to impotence. It's happening now. Most Americans of military age are mentally and/or physically unfit to serve. No wonder the military uses drones and soon, armed robots. God will put an end to His enemies, not Hollywood style heroes.

You know though when Carter said that it was fairly accurate but as for the modern times the US actually is not dependent on oil from the middle east we really just import enough from them to keep up those relations. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6

 

[JohnDB]

I can actually appreciate both of these posts; because, I'm sure that there are at least some "Palestinians" who are just trying to get by in life and don't know their right hand from their left- and these have my sympathy.

But at the end of the day, I think N6 is right too: these conflicts over Israel are incredibly stupid and unnecessary. Muslims countries are so concerned about trolling Israel with Jerusalem, they have lost solidarity with Saudi Arabia... where their "most holy" Mecca is. It shows you where their priorities really are.

Because of Hamas's content rhetoric and charter which states they want the complete destruction of Jews and Israel....

Israel has been extremely harsh in their treatment of Gaza. Gaza has become a thinly veiled open air prison of sorts. Little economic opportunities and expensive basic necessities.
If the Palestinians leave they often can never return. Others are allowed much more freedom.

This harsh treatment is capitalized upon by Hamas leadership to fertilize their rhetoric of unjust oppression by Israel. Which leads to naked hatred and desires for vengeance

 

[iamsoandso]

Because of Hamas's content rhetoric and charter which states they want the complete destruction of Jews and Israel....

Israel has been extremely harsh in their treatment of Gaza. Gaza has become a thinly veiled open air prison of sorts. Little economic opportunities and expensive basic necessities.
If the Palestinians leave they often can never return. Others are allowed much more freedom.

This harsh treatment is capitalized upon by Hamas leadership to fertilize their rhetoric of unjust oppression by Israel. Which leads to naked hatred and desires for vengeance

Every member of of Hamas is a dead man(2 hours ago)... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082351

 

[Gideon300]

Because of Hamas's content rhetoric and charter which states they want the complete destruction of Jews and Israel....

Israel has been extremely harsh in their treatment of Gaza. Gaza has become a thinly veiled open air prison of sorts. Little economic opportunities and expensive basic necessities.
If the Palestinians leave they often can never return. Others are allowed much more freedom.

This harsh treatment is capitalized upon by Hamas leadership to fertilize their rhetoric of unjust oppression by Israel. Which leads to naked hatred and desires for vengeance

Your ignorance on the true issue is showing, unfortunately. You try checking out the true history of the conflict, not "Palestinian" propaganda. Arabs generally have never accepted the right of Israel to exist as a nation. This goes back to the six day war. There was the declaration of "no peace, no recognition and no negotiations." Only Egypt made peace with Israel, as is prophesied in the OT.

In spite of this and constant harrasment by Hamas, Israel has allowed aid to Gaza. Until the latest attack, 18,000 workers from Gaza were employed in Israel. Hamas, in contrast, has presided over a near 50 % unemployment rate. Gaza is the result of Hamas maladministration, not Israel. It is Hamas who used Israeli supplied concrete to build tunnels under the border. Hamas uses Israeli generated electricity to power their command centres, make munitions and light the tunnels. If anything, Israel has shown great restraint over many years. As history proves, this is never a workable strategy. However, Israel has been effectively blackmailed into a muted response.

I don't especially like Jews. I worked for one who could be an angel one day and a complete jerk the next. I've met some who were among the most arrogant people I've met. However, Israel, like it or not, belongs to God. Israel was restored by God, not by men. Islam is the enemy of God and therefore the Church. Gaza chose Hamas to govern them. They are reaping what they have sown.

 

[Gideon300]

I remember him saying it was nuclear proliferation because his daughter said so

Perhaps he did, but what I heard was during the oil crisis in the 70's. I still remember the cost of fuel increasing at insane rates, driving inflation and damaging the economies of the world. Nuclear proliferation has yet to harm a hair on anyone's head. Issues with oil are far more serious practically speaking.

 

[NightTwister]

Perhaps he did, but what I heard was during the oil crisis in the 70's. I still remember the cost of fuel increasing at insane rates, driving inflation and damaging the economies of the world. Nuclear proliferation has yet to harm a hair on anyone's head. Issues with oil are far more serious practically speaking.

I lived it. We did rely on middle eastern oil too much. There's a solution to that, and one that was in place during the previous administration, but we're back to where we were again which is not a good place to be.

 

[shittim]

Shutting off the God given resources that kept the peace was the adversaries plan all along.
Another of his plans he is bringing to fruition is getting this thread to dwell on the fulfillment His plan to redeem the Creation as a fight between ethnic groups and peoples. Goes to show we can fail to renew the mind as required to see the world through the eyes of the Father, a first step in being conformed to the image of the Son.

It is the very foundation of islame to destroy the Chosen ones, Christians, even their own in martyrdom, their true leader only comes to steal, kill and destroy.
best wishes all

 

[Nehemiah6]

...but we're back to where we were again which is not a good place to be.

Correct. But that was part of a deliberate plan to destroy America in every possible way. The oil reserves were deliberately depleted and given to the enemy of America. Think about that. And when you come right down to it, it was the treacherous decision of one man -- Mike Pence -- to refuse to do the right thing at the right time. Everyone has forgotten that Pence controlled the outcome of that fraudulent election. And he chose to betray America, Americans, and Trump.

 

[Ted01]

This goes back to the six day war.

I think that the animosity goes back further than that.

Before 1948, "Israelis"/Zionists were actively engaging the Arabs living in "Palestine" with hostility. Freedom fighters that were fighting for an Israeli state were using terrorism and were asked about their methods. Some said that they learned much of their tactics from the way the Nazis treated them. One, I can't remember who... maybe Menachem Begin?... said, when asked what he thought about him introducing terrorism in the region, responded "the region... you mean the world." And in fact, "Israelis were using terrorism way back into the 1930's... maybe earlier.

 

[shittim]

Derek Prince was there and lived through it, the Israelis were heavily outnumbered, they prayed for His intervention and protection, after the war in talking with the veterans they would recount how when taking a position the Arabs were in in a state of confusion, they knew not how to act.

 

[JohnDB]

Your ignorance on the true issue is showing, unfortunately. You try checking out the true history of the conflict, not "Palestinian" propaganda. Arabs generally have never accepted the right of Israel to exist as a nation. This goes back to the six day war. There was the declaration of "no peace, no recognition and no negotiations." Only Egypt made peace with Israel, as is prophesied in the OT.

In spite of this and constant harrasment by Hamas, Israel has allowed aid to Gaza. Until the latest attack, 18,000 workers from Gaza were employed in Israel. Hamas, in contrast, has presided over a near 50 % unemployment rate. Gaza is the result of Hamas maladministration, not Israel. It is Hamas who used Israeli supplied concrete to build tunnels under the border. Hamas uses Israeli generated electricity to power their command centres, make munitions and light the tunnels. If anything, Israel has shown great restraint over many years. As history proves, this is never a workable strategy. However, Israel has been effectively blackmailed into a muted response.

I don't especially like Jews. I worked for one who could be an angel one day and a complete jerk the next. I've met some who were among the most arrogant people I've met. However, Israel, like it or not, belongs to God. Israel was restored by God, not by men. Islam is the enemy of God and therefore the Church. Gaza chose Hamas to govern them. They are reaping what they have sown.

I'm not ignorant...I just glossed over many things. I can get into extreme details but that would take all night.

As far as so called Palestinians "choosing" Hamas to govern them that's a joke. Hamas themselves did the choosing...no one else. Even the PLA government was voted in by Hamas....so any attempts at a real election were never realized.

In the meantime Hamas controls the government, schools, and propaganda...no dissent is allowed.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

We need to back Israel. Hamas needs to be wiped out.

Why does talmudusts who hate Christ deserve to live while muslims who also hate Christ deserve to die. They are both war mongering pagans who send their young men to die for their pagan rituals. They make orphans and widows and ruin of town and field.

 

[JohnB]

Why does talmudusts who hate Christ deserve to live while muslims who also hate Christ deserve to die. They are both war mongering pagans who send their young men to die for their pagan rituals. They make orphans and widows and ruin of town and field.

When have Talmudists killed innocent people?

 

[Cameron143]

Why does talmudusts who hate Christ deserve to live while muslims who also hate Christ deserve to die. They are both war mongering pagans who send their young men to die for their pagan rituals. They make orphans and widows and ruin of town and field.

It's a good point...they all need Christ. But the Jews aren't going anywhere. God has promised to regraft them after the fulness of the Gentiles.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

It's a good point...they all need Christ. But the Jews aren't going anywhere. God has promised to regraft them after the fulness of the Gentiles.

Let them fight then. Why should we spend billions of dollars. When we are failing our own people

 

[Locoponydirtman]

When have Talmudists killed innocent people?

Who is innocent?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

When have Talmudists killed innocent people?

They have abortion very readily available to them. Not as bad as some places in the US but how many do ya need to be bad.

 

[Cameron143]

Let them fight then. Why should we spend billions of dollars. When we are failing our own people

If they die in their sins they remain under the wrath of God. Not a good eventually for anyone.