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[video=youtube;J1D_K0YlLWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1D_K0YlLWE[/video]

Netanyahu Threats, Obama Meeting with Saudis, Hagel's Order of Staff to Jordan Bring War Nearer

Published on Apr 19, 2013
 

zone

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Ridge: Second Thoughts, but Not Second-Guessing

By Michael Scherer / Washington

In particular, he regrets his Aug. 1, 2004, decision to include political language praising Bush in a statement about raising the terrorism threat level. The statement was issued just as Democratic nominee John Kerry was enjoying a post-convention bump in the polls. But he stops short of questioning the intentions of the Bush aides who asked him to include the language in the first place; and contrary to pre-publication media reports that got many former Bush Administration officials up in arms, he claims that the decision to raise the alert was made without regard to political pressure. "I'm not going to second-guess," he says. "But it was wrong for me to put it in."

A few months later, however, Ridge says he did get the sense that politics might be at play. There was a heated discussion on the weekend before the 2004 election, in which Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft made their case in vain to raise the terrorism threat level. Ridge now admits that he thought political calculation might have been at play. (Polls supporting Bush tended to spike when the terrorism threat level went up.)

'Test of Our Times': Tom Ridge on Terror Alert Level - TIME < click


how is it you can have a Presidential kill-list for anyone the Executive wants to assassinate for any reason....and war criminals walk around freely, writing books and starting Law and Consulting firms?

summink wrong with this picture?





i mean....can you get any more degenerate than this?

totally ludicrous.

i can not stand being manipulated.
 

zone

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intimidation and bill ayer's ridicule playbook don't work on me.
correction: (i got my commie subversives mixed up)

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals ridicule strategy:

The Union News.: Summary of Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals"





Bill Ayers
is Obama's other friend

1969: Black Panthers Fred Hampton and Mark Clark die in a Chicago police raid. The Weathermen form.

1970:

March: Three Weathermen are killed when bomb manufacturing goes awry. The organization becomes the Weather Underground as key players including Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers and Kathy Boudin go into hiding.



Bernardine Dohrn gives a tour of her underground hideout on the San Francisco Bay View Video

June: New York City police headquarters are bombed and the Weathermen take credit, issuing a communiqué from underground.

July: Thirteen Weathermen are indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of conspiring to engage in acts of terrorism. A New York bank is bombed in retaliation.

September: Timothy Leary issues a statement from the underground after escaping from prison with the help of the Weathermen.

1971: 50,000 anti-war protesters march on Washington, D.C.

1973: Cease-fire accord in Vietnam.

1977: Weathermen Mark Rudd and Cathy Wilkerson emerge from years of hiding and surrender to the police, receiving two years of probation and three years in prison, respectively.

1980: Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers resurface from the underground, pleading guilty to bail-jumping charges from a 1969 anti-war protest. Dohrn is fined $1,500 and given three years’ probation.

Independent Lens . THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND . The Movement | PBS < click



During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, a controversy arose regarding Barack Obama's contact with Bill Ayers, a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a former leader of the Weather Underground, a radical left organization in the 1970s.[1] Investigations by CNN, The New York Times and other news organizations concluded that Obama did not have a close relationship with Ayers.[2][3][4] Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted a gathering at their home in 1995,[5] where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate.[3][6] Obama and Ayers' nine years of service on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago overlapped three years 1999–2002.[3][5][6]

Bill Ayers presidential election controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


how is it 'home-grown' known and unrepentant terrorists are now distinguished professors?
 

zone

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Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever
The Illuminati were amateurs. The second huge financial scandal of the year reveals the real international conspiracy: There's no price the big banks can't fix

By Matt Taibbi
April 25, 2013 1:00 PM ET

Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.

The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever | Politics News | Rolling Stone < click


The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct:rolleyes:

just no end to the mockery of us all.
oh well.
 

zone

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[video=youtube;xn9qEoNMHMs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn9qEoNMHMs[/video]

Published on Apr 19, 2012
MOSSAD AGENTS SENT HOME BY MITT ROMNEY'S SECURITY ADVISOR MICHAEL CHERTOFF AFTER VIDEOTAPING THE TWIN TOWERS COLLAPSING AND BRAGGING ABOUT IT ON ISRAELI TV "WE WERE THERE TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT"


"WE WERE THERE TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT"
"WE WERE THERE TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT"
"WE WERE THERE TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT"
 

zone

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9/11: Not just an inside job, but a Tel Aviv-based outside job



In the last fifty years, no prominent American has stood up against Israel without dying in a plane wreck, mysterious car crash, committing suicide, often by shooting themselves several times at up to 20 feet away or ending up in prison.

PressTV - 9/11: Not just an inside job, but a Tel Aviv-based outside job < click
 

zone

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SEPTEMBER 11, 2012

Kabbalah of 9/11-Rabbi Ruvi New

Kabbalah of 9/11-Rabbi Ruvi New - Videos - Chabad Lubavitch World Headquarters

lecture delivered on the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

upshot:

the so-called "band of few"...a..."small number of determined individuals" who took on the world's two great empires (soviet union via afghanistan defeat = 1 TOWER) and America (SECOND TOWER) is "a distinctly jewish idea"..."which 'they' hijacked".

approx 10 minutes in.

if you can sit through the introduction about how the number TEN signifies something else important.
 
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1still_waters

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SEPTEMBER 11, 2012

Kabbalah of 9/11-Rabbi Ruvi New

Kabbalah of 9/11-Rabbi Ruvi New - Videos - Chabad Lubavitch World Headquarters

lecture delivered on the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

upshot:

the so-called "band of few"...a..."small number of determined individuals" who took on the world's two great empires (soviet union via afghanistan defeat = 1 TOWER) and America (SECOND TOWER) is "a distinctly jewish idea"..."which 'they' hijacked".

approx 10 minutes in.

if you can sit through the introduction about how the number TEN signifies something else important.
So what are the implications of Talmud Jews being behind so many things? Go to war and stop them? Be aware of the scheme and simply don't buy into it?

I'm trying to figure out where you're going with all this?
 
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1still_waters

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SEPTEMBER 11, 2012

Kabbalah of 9/11-Rabbi Ruvi New

Kabbalah of 9/11-Rabbi Ruvi New - Videos - Chabad Lubavitch World Headquarters

lecture delivered on the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

upshot:

the so-called "band of few"...a..."small number of determined individuals" who took on the world's two great empires (soviet union via afghanistan defeat = 1 TOWER) and America (SECOND TOWER) is "a distinctly jewish idea"..."which 'they' hijacked".

approx 10 minutes in.

if you can sit through the introduction about how the number TEN signifies something else important.
I mean you've obviously gone to great lengths to make us aware of the talmudic Jews schemes. Now that we're aware, what would you have us do? What should those aware of it call for in your opinion? What would Zone do about it if she had the ability to remedy it?
 

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So what are the implications of Talmud Jews being behind so many things? Go to war and stop them? Be aware of the scheme and simply don't buy into it?

I'm trying to figure out where you're going with all this?
go to war?
that's absurd.
that's the opposite of everything i stand for.

i'm anti-violence of any kind.

anti-war, anti-fascism, anti-communism, anti-totalitarianism, and anti-anti-christian doctrine or activities posing as Christianity.

my motivation is education. same as always.

providing resources for anyone who wants to know that the Dispensationalist; Dual Covenant Theologies; and HR Movements among many others that are corrupting marginal sects and branches of Christianity are not harmless.

they all come from the same corrupt tree.

I mean you've obviously gone to great lengths to make us aware of the talmudic Jews schemes. Now that we're aware, what would you have us do? What should those aware of it call for in your opinion? What would Zone do about it if she had the ability to remedy it?
we all not only have the ability to remedy it, we have an absolute mandate from The Lord to do so.

as individuals and presumably as a Body.

what to do?

resist the injection of, or reception of Judaism into Christianity...namely the dispensationalist heresies.

stop pretending Judaism is just Moses without Jesus.

stop pretending jews worship the True God and excusing their crimes through fear.

stop departing into the idolatry of zionism.

stop being ashamed of the Gospel.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.


nothing profound here.
pretty straight-forward.
 

zone

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Do you really need to ask?
why don't you explain where i'm going with all this?
you're the guy who says jews are saved by not acknowledging Jesus of Nazareth.

Paul would have excommunicated you guys in an instant.
 

zone

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Do you really need to ask?
Doulos, i invite you and your friends to re-present your Old Testament Winkeskin Jews are One of God's Two Witness Olive Trees in the Christian Era here.

include your tweaked Dual Covenant theology, and your corruption of Daniel 9.

go for it.

i'd LOVE to hear it again.
 
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why don't you explain where i'm going with all this?
you're the guy who says jews are saved by not acknowledging Jesus of Nazareth.

Paul would have excommunicated you guys in an instant.
I have always maintained that the only way one can be born again is by placing their faith in Christ. Not a single human from Adam until the Lord returns will see the kingdom of God unless they drink and eat from the Rock! That Rock is Christ!


1Co 10:1- 4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Sorry Zone, just not interested in participating in an exercise in futility. As you have proved on many occasions, with many people discussion with Zone is nothing more then an exercise in futility. I do feel sorry for you and will keep you in my prayers.
 

zone

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I have always maintained that the only way one can be born again is by placing their faith in Christ. Not a single human from Adam until the Lord returns will see the kingdom of God unless they drink and eat from the Rock! That Rock is Christ!

1Co 10:1- 4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Sorry Zone, just not interested in participating in an exercise in futility. As you have proved on many occasions, with many people discussion with Zone is nothing more then an exercise in futility. I do feel sorry for you and will keep you in my prayers.
ya i know. you got NADA.
just a fantasy gospel.

do you recall almost all perished without entering the Promised Land?

let's see if Judaism says it's because God preserved Jews as a Witness Tree and their Christian counterparts as another Witness.

both Witnesses would agree, wouldn't they?

....


Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus
For 2,000 years Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why?


with thanks to Rabbi Michael Skobac, Jews for Judaism

One of the most common questions we receive at Aish.com is: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" Let's understand why ― not in order to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position.

Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means "anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, 1-Kings 1:39, 2-Kings 9:3)

1. Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Specifically, the Bible says he will:
Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.

Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah

A. Messiah as Prophet

The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum - Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides - Yad Teshuva 9:2)

Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets ― Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.

B. Descendent of David

Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father ― and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

C. Torah Observance

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus

Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text ― which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. Virgin Birth

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. Suffering Servant

Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:8). In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.

When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).

Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.

4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation

Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show ― assuming they are genuine ― is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation ― i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.

What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us ― who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)

Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

For further reading: "Did God Speak at Mount Sinai?"

Waiting for the Messiah

The world is in desperate need of Messianic redemption. To the extent that we are aware of the problems of society, is the extent we will yearn for redemption. As the Talmud says, one of the first questions asked of a Jew on Judgment Day is: "Did you yearn for the arrival of the Messiah?"

How can we hasten the coming of the Messiah? The best way is to love all humanity generously, to keep the mitzvot of the Torah (as best we can), and to encourage others to do so as well.

Despite the gloom, the world does seem headed toward redemption. One apparent sign is that the Jewish people have returned to the Land of Israel and made it bloom again. Additionally, a major movement is afoot of young Jews returning to Torah tradition.

The Messiah can come any day, and it all depends on our actions. God is ready when we are. For as King David says: "Redemption will come today ― if you hearken to His voice."

Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus, why Jews reject Jesus < click
 
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ya i know. you got NADA.
just a fantasy gospel.

do you recall almost all perished without entering the Promised Land?

let's see if Judaism says it's because God preserved Jews as a Witness Tree and their Christian counterparts as another Witness.

both Witnesses would agree, wouldn't they?

....


Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus
For 2,000 years Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why?


with thanks to Rabbi Michael Skobac, Jews for Judaism

One of the most common questions we receive at Aish.com is: "Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?" Let's understand why ― not in order to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position.

Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means "anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, 1-Kings 1:39, 2-Kings 9:3)

1. Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Specifically, the Bible says he will:
Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.

Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah

A. Messiah as Prophet

The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum - Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides - Yad Teshuva 9:2)

Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets ― Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.

B. Descendent of David

Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father ― and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

C. Torah Observance

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus

Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text ― which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. Virgin Birth

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. Suffering Servant

Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:8). In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.

When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).

Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.

4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation

Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show ― assuming they are genuine ― is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation ― i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.

What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us ― who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)

Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

For further reading: "Did God Speak at Mount Sinai?"

Waiting for the Messiah

The world is in desperate need of Messianic redemption. To the extent that we are aware of the problems of society, is the extent we will yearn for redemption. As the Talmud says, one of the first questions asked of a Jew on Judgment Day is: "Did you yearn for the arrival of the Messiah?"

How can we hasten the coming of the Messiah? The best way is to love all humanity generously, to keep the mitzvot of the Torah (as best we can), and to encourage others to do so as well.

Despite the gloom, the world does seem headed toward redemption. One apparent sign is that the Jewish people have returned to the Land of Israel and made it bloom again. Additionally, a major movement is afoot of young Jews returning to Torah tradition.

The Messiah can come any day, and it all depends on our actions. God is ready when we are. For as King David says: "Redemption will come today ― if you hearken to His voice."

Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus, why Jews reject Jesus < click
And the clanging cymbal clangs...

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1Cor 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

 

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1Cor 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

is love (charity) agitating christians to choose a side in war - actively and politically?
is invoking the Name of God to do it, love?
or is it heresy (xtian zionism)?

might be coin toss for some.