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ThereRoseaLamb

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So one could argue that the Holocaust was a culmination of about 2,000 years of Catholic propaganda against the jews.
Hitler played on this sentiment to garner support for murdering the Jews
Yes, I believe that would be a true statement. Otherwise how could people do what they did to the Jews with no conscience? They already had certain beliefs about the Jews from decades of anti- Semitic teachings before the Holocaust.
 

arthurfleminger

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Yes, I believe that would be a true statement. Otherwise how could people do what they did to the Jews with no conscience? They already had certain beliefs about the Jews from decades of anti- Semitic teachings before the Holocaust.

Look first for the log in our own eye. Actually, it turns out that our own 'Martin Luther' was Hitler's theologian. Hitler and the Nazis cited/used Luther's teachings/writings as propaganda to rationalize and make acceptable their murder and torture of Jews. Everything that Luther espoused in his book, "The Jews and Their Lies" was incorporated into Hitler's killing machine:

Luther and Hitler: A Linear Connection between Luther and Hitler's Anti-Semitism within Germany's Nazi Party:

Nazis Used Martin Luther’s Anti-Semitism (forward.com)

Some excerpts from Luther's book, "The Jews and Their Lies"

In the treatise, Martin Luther describes Jews as a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth".[9] Luther wrote that they are "full of the devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine",[10] and the synagogue is an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut".[11]

In the first ten sections of the treatise, Luther expounds, at considerable length, upon his views concerning Jews and Judaism and how these compare to Protestants and Protestant Christianity. Following the exposition, Section XI of the treatise advises Protestants to carry out seven remedial actions, namely:[12]

  1. to burn down Jewish synagogues and schools and warn people against them
  2. to refuse to let Jews own houses among Christians
  3. to take away Jewish religious writings
  4. to forbid rabbis from preaching
  5. to offer no protection to Jews on highways
  6. for usury to be prohibited and for all Jews' silver and gold to be removed, put aside for safekeeping, and given back to Jews who truly convert
  7. to give young, strong Jews flail, axe, spade, and spindle, and let them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow
A quote from Luther's book, in which he does advocate murdering the Jews, " What Jew would consent to enter our ranks when he sees the cruelty and enmity we wreak on them – that in our behavior towards them we less resemble Christians than beasts?"

Maybe Hitler was a reincarnation of Luther?

But, BTW, it is recorded that Hitler never attended any church whatsoever, once he'd achieved power.
 

Dude653

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In his book, Hitler said he was doing God's work by murdering the Jews
Also the Nazi soldiers wore belt buckles that said God is with us
And before anyone straw man's me, I'm not blaming Christians for the Holocaust but rather I'm saying Hitler perverted belief in God to brainwash the Germans into supporting him
 

arthurfleminger

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In his book, Hitler said he was doing God's work by murdering the Jews
Also the Nazi soldiers wore belt buckles that said God is with us
And before anyone straw man's me, I'm not blaming Christians for the Holocaust but rather I'm saying Hitler perverted belief in God to brainwash the Germans into supporting him
There is no denying that Germany and it's citizens were predominatly Christian during Hitler's reign of terror and murder of Jews/Russians/Poles/Gays/SDAs....etc....

And those perpetrating these crimes against humanity were German Christians, there's no getting away from that. And the did these crimes in the most beastial of manners. You can point the 'finger of blame' at anyone you want, Hitler, the Catholic Church, or the victims themselves. But in the end it was German Christians that were the murderers of men/women/children.

That's what made people like Bonhoeffer so unique. A few did hold fast to their Christian faith and teachings. But most of the German Christians didn't.