Transgendered traitor is now running for the Senate

[Deade]

I still think he could have tried to go through proper channels rather than massive treason--
And I agree with hipster that punishing someone for attempting suicide, which is generally the target outcome by design, clearly amounts to "cruel and unusual punishment," a violation of the 8th and 14th amendments. So two wrongs don't make a right. Manning lasted 7 years into a 35 years sentence, also "cruel and unusual punishment."
Sandra Bland of Texas, lasted only three days, after a promising career out of graduate school, and a "courageous" advocate for civil rights, her family said.

You Millenials (Millenial Generation) are going to be responsible for peacefully overthrowing the obsolete, archaic, 1600's/1800's prisoner-of-war camps of the past, since it is the younger generation who are dying from institutional shock after only days or even hours in the horrifying relics of dungeons of death from lost, "Dark Ages," mentalities, similar to those that didn't hesitate to crucify innocent people or common thieves. Modern institutions of confinement are not designed to reform people; They are strategically and psychologically designed to annihilate the last remnants of a person's humanity, make them hopelessly institutionalized and welfare-dependent even after short periods of time.
People will look back on some of the practices of the 20th century and still today, as horrifying beyond belief.

So rise up Hipster man-- teke them by truth and the power of God;
not by force;
CAN'T STOP A TSUNAMI OF CHANGE ORDERED BY THE LORD--

Hello HeraldtheNews,

I agree with you, our crime and punishment systems are ridiculous. Some people can commit enough crime, they get free room and board for life. I have written a book that expounds the Old Testament prison system. It states cities of refuge be used instead. Those in the cities had to work for a living while serving their punishment.

Yours,

Deade

 

[AdolfHipster]

I still think he could have tried to go through proper channels rather than massive treason--
And I agree with hipster that punishing someone for attempting suicide, which is generally the target outcome by design, clearly amounts to "cruel and unusual punishment," a violation of the 8th and 14th amendments. So two wrongs don't make a right. Manning lasted 7 years into a 35 years sentence, also "cruel and unusual punishment."
Sandra Bland of Texas, lasted only three days, after a promising career out of graduate school, and a "courageous" advocate for civil rights, her family said.

You Millenials (Millenial Generation) are going to be responsible for peacefully overthrowing the obsolete, archaic, 1600's/1800's prisoner-of-war camps of the past, since it is the younger generation who are dying from institutional shock after only days or even hours in the horrifying relics of dungeons of death from lost, "Dark Ages," mentalities, similar to those that didn't hesitate to crucify innocent people or common thieves. Modern institutions of confinement are not designed to reform people; They are strategically and psychologically designed to annihilate the last remnants of a person's humanity, make them hopelessly institutionalized and welfare-dependent even after short periods of time.
People will look back on some of the practices of the 20th century and still today, as horrifying beyond belief.

So rise up Hipster man-- teke them by truth and the power of God;
not by force;
CAN'T STOP A TSUNAMI OF CHANGE ORDERED BY THE LORD--

What proper channels would you have gone through to expose everything in the Manning leaks? Seeing as you wouldn't have any proof (it's too late, you're not at your computer and no longer have access to the classified information), would you expect them to declassify and own up to mistakes once you filed the complaint? If so, that may be the first time that happened in the Obama/Clinton reign. It would have been too little too late for Manning to have the level of impact that he did if he waited.

By the way, I do completely agree that solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment. I'm all for letting people rot in prison (figuratively speaking of course ) for their crimes, but at the VERY least they should limit the maximum time one can spend in solitary confinement. Just from a pragmatic point of view, it does absolutely NO good to tame, rehabilitate, protect, etc... the inmate. It only makes the caged beast that much more dangerous when let out.

 

[notuptome]

Traitors are to be hung not rehabilitated.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[AdolfHipster]

Traitors are to be hung not rehabilitated.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You'd probably have a different accent than you do right now if it weren't for some of those "traitors".

 

[AdolfHipster]

The only difference between a patriot and a traitor is perception. 237 years ago 55 men placed their signatures on a document that instantly made them traitors to the British crown yet to Americans they are patriots and heroes. Snowden is no different. Those who are loyal to the travesty that America has become will perceive him as a traitor yet those who are loyal to what America was meant to be and hold our liberties dear will perceive him as a hero.

I wanted to post a quote I saw on the Snowden thread (the other whistle-blower). I really couldn't word it better myself. Just replace "Snowden" with "Manning" and it fits here too.

Note: The person who wrote this didn't say this about Manning. I don't know his thoughts about the Manning leaks. I just didn't want to plagiarize (aka pulling a Biden).

 

[notuptome]

You'd probably have a different accent than you do right now if it weren't for some of those "traitors".

There are men of honor and men without honor. Those who betray their own gender are simply without honor.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[AdolfHipster]

There are men of honor and men without honor. Those who betray their own gender are simply without honor.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I mean, I thought we were talking about the Manning leaks? Manning is a "traitor" now because he's transgender and not for the leaks? =/

 

[hornetguy]

I wanted to post a quote I saw on the Snowden thread (the other whistle-blower). I really couldn't word it better myself. Just replace "Snowden" with "Manning" and it fits here too.

Note: The person who wrote this didn't say this about Manning. I don't know his thoughts about the Manning leaks. I just didn't want to plagiarize (aka pulling a Biden).

Yes.... our founding fathers were traitors.... to BRITAIN. Britain WOULD have executed them, if they could have caught them.

We are talking about a traitor to OUR nation.... they are not a hero to anyone here.

Or, at least they should not be....

 

[AdolfHipster]

Yes.... our founding fathers were traitors.... to BRITAIN. Britain WOULD have executed them, if they could have caught them.

We are talking about a traitor to OUR nation.... they are not a hero to anyone here.

Or, at least they should not be....

As OnceFallen put it so eloquently, "Those who are loyal to the travesty that America has become will perceive him as a traitor yet those who are loyal to what America was meant to be and hold our liberties dear will perceive him as a hero." Manning exposed the truth and you consider him a "traitor" regardless of what the truth is because it is classified as "treason" to the US. I asked you several questions a few pages back... If you have time/wouldn't mind, could you go back and review them so we can continue this discussion?

 

[HeraldtheNews]

Hello HeraldtheNews,

I agree with you, our crime and punishment systems are ridiculous. Some people can commit enough crime, they get free room and board for life. I have written a book that expounds the Old Testament prison system. It states cities of refuge be used instead. Those in the cities had to work for a living while serving their punishment.

Yours,

Deade

There was a movie years ago called: "ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK," where New York had become such a city. There are hundreds or thousands of better scenarios that would actually reform people at a fraction of the cost and make society safer. Old paradigms are difficult to overcome; Like trying to turn the titanic, one lady said, but i don't have the quote.

 

[HeraldtheNews]

What proper channels would you have gone through to expose everything in the Manning leaks? Seeing as you wouldn't have any proof (it's too late, you're not at your computer and no longer have access to the classified information), would you expect them to declassify and own up to mistakes once you filed the complaint? If so, that may be the first time that happened in the Obama/Clinton reign. It would have been too little too late for Manning to have the level of impact that he did if he waited.

By the way, I do completely agree that solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment. I'm all for letting people rot in prison (figuratively speaking of course ) for their crimes, but at the VERY least they should limit the maximum time one can spend in solitary confinement. Just from a pragmatic point of view, it does absolutely NO good to tame, rehabilitate, protect, etc... the inmate. It only makes the caged beast that much more dangerous when let out.

Not sure of all the options available, but, there must have been a legal way he could have voiced disapproval.
And, I don't have the statistics available, but, most of the people in prison are not "dangerous caged beasts," as you suggested, but, I believe the majority are there for drug offenses, which is a hopeless way to stop opiate and other drug crimes according to one police chief who stated that: "The war on drugs is over--we lost" "there is no way we can arrest our way out of this" (chief C--), and many precincts across America are adopting his model of treatment over incarceration, as well as powerful bi-partisan coalitions. The 1962 supreme court case in California favored this model that imprisoning addicts amounts to "cruel and unusual punishment." Many others in prison are there due to mental health or behavioral issues, and many women are there for drug offenses and other low-level offenses, and others are there for white-collar offenses.

Many people are not even aware of legalistic laws that are not well publicized and violate them out of ignorance. There are many horror stories where parents wanted their children to learn a lesson of life, and left them in custody for a few days only to lose their children due to "institutional shock," or other dangers of being held in proximity to dangerous individuals.

 

[oldethennew]

let's try and imagine what is coming 'next'?!?!?

 

[awolnation]

Hopefully, this convicted traitor will get laughed off the ballot, but, since it is in Maryland.... who knows?

We have a military man, leaking classified documents to Wiki, caught, convicted, had his sentence commuted by Obama, becoming a transgendered man/woman, and now is going to run for our nation's Senate.

You cannot make this kind of idiocy up.....

link to the story on CNN....

Chelsea Manning releases Senate campaign video - CNNPolitics

I believe you spelled HERO wrong.

Yes.... our founding fathers were traitors.... to BRITAIN. Britain WOULD have executed them, if they could have caught them.


We are talking about a traitor to OUR nation.... they are not a hero to anyone here.


Or, at least they should not be....

That OURS and THEIRS is tribal BS. Explain to me how what Manning did was any different than what the Founding Fathers did. The US and Britain are both oppressive, governing powers bent on destroying the freedom of their people...like ALL governments.

 

[AdolfHipster]

I believe you spelled HERO wrong.



That OURS and THEIRS is tribal BS. Explain to me how what Manning did was any different than what the Founding Fathers did. The US and Britain are both oppressive, governing powers bent on destroying the freedom of their people...like ALL governments.

It's not any different. It's not any different than what Snowden did either. I've asked for reasons as well, I hope he responds to the previous posts from a few pages back.

By the way, here is the actualy video of Manning's campaign ad.
[video=youtube;RAXo1Y7AK_I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RAXo1Y7AK_I[/video]

 

[AdolfHipster]

I mean, either Ben Cardin (Democrat incumbent) or Chelsea Manning is going to win the election. I wouldn't care for either, but there is clearly a lesser evil between the two... but I guess some people care more about are genitalia than they do about substance and transparency.

 

[Angela53510]

Wow! A massed attack of the trolls. Probably reporting them is best!

As for Canada, under Trudeau, if he was doing anything good for Muslims, Trudeau will welcome him here, celebrate him and certainly pay him $10.5 million dollars.

Or, if was actually working for ISIS, our glorious leader will pay for rehabilitation till he is just a normal, peace loving Muslim. Because traitors are heroes when they are working on establishing a Caliphate! Or so Trudeau thinks! Today, was a picture op for Trudeau at the mosque in Montreal, where 6 men were killed last year. Except the guy who did the deed was not really anti-Islamic, but rather extremely mentally ill. Meanwhile, the 6 Canadian aide workers in Iraq, who were killed by Muslims, he has never noted, never sent even so much as a short email saying he was sorry.

As M-103 comes closer and closer to being a law. And if you think a motion can’t be law, guess again, Herr Trudeau will just decree, and then it will be law. Forget all the hassles of letting our MPs our elected representatives vote on it.

Oh the other hand, not sure what he would do if the Muslims are against abortion (and they are). Oh well, Chelsea doesn’t have to worry about that problem, since men can’t have babies, right?

At least you have Trump!

 

[preston39]

Well, as I have mentioned before, the USA is not the world. And what happens here... when this country dies... will be but a small drop in the bucket. God didn't even chose America to be the Holy Land where His Son was born.

W...,

I believe you are correct.

He choose America through it's early meager means, development and greatness (with His help) for the sole purposes of support for Israel. When we look at recent history Israel would have been taken over decades ago without our steadfast help.
A study of Israeli history since May 15, 1948, clearly shows G-d's hands ..directly involved in Israel's continued existence.
Even Israelis have been recorded with that statement.

 

[oldethennew]

may God have mercy upon this country, as they have and are slowly/continually
throwing our Holy Saviour into the ditch of total dis-respect and seem to have
no conscience while doing so...as I said before, what do you all 'think/perceive
is coming NEXT?!?! any brave troopers out there?!?!