Truckers say they're going to take America back on November 29th

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Roughsoul1991

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It is similar to a cult but neither do I want Biden & Harris in - they're both owned. Anyone who doesn't believe there is a shadow government has not done their homework.

There IS voter fraud: a guy my husband worked with told him he went to vote and his dead father had "voted" before him. How many more dead folks "voted" ?
We may have to define cult.
 
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I expected that there would be civil unrest but after someone told me that truckers are planning on taking the country back on November 29th I was encouraged. There's a lot of voter fraud. But not only that, so much else has gone on that I thought this might be a good thing. Anyone else think so?
I already know responding to this is not going to turn out well but what the heck... here goes.... How will a Truckers strike which would cause hardship for millions of business and people expecting goods result in "taking back America"?
Will only those guilty of voter fraud not get their goods delivered?
 

Roughsoul1991

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I already know responding to this is not going to turn out well but what the heck... here goes.... How will a Truckers strike which would cause hardship for millions of business and people expecting goods result in "taking back America"?
Will only those guilty of voter fraud not get their goods delivered?
It is according to how large of a strike because most goods are brought in by truck. It could literally take the country hostage and desire an immediate response as people will face food scarcity.

This is actually how an ex-navy seal explained how easy it could be to take back the country. Since most liberals live in big cities, it would only take opposition forces to cut off supply to the city. Eventually, it would blow up within and it would be extremely hard for the socialists to organize and calm the violence within.

It is also how they define taking America back. Back from what? If it is a socialist/ Communist takeover then food scarcity would only be a small ill for the dangers to come. Eventually, true socialists will go for American's guns and you will no longer have protests that involve not doing their job like driving trucks. Instead, people will be either going to jail, submitting, fleeing, or dying as they fight back.

The war in Vietnam ended this way. As the US saw the writing on the wall, they began to pull out. The North began to take over the South and eventually cut everything off while closing in on Saigon. The fall of Saigon is the same fate time and time again for a socialist takeover.

One objective of the Communist Party of Vietnam was to reduce the population of Saigon. Following the end of the war, according to official and non-official estimates, between 200,000 and 300,000 South Vietnamese were sent to re-education camps, where many endured torture, starvation, and disease while they were being forced to do hard labor.

If you do not believe the same as them then you must be re-educated or eliminated. This contributed to the

A mass exodus occurred between 1975 and 1995 Indochina refugee crisis. Many fled by boat. The number of boat people leaving Vietnam and arriving safely in another country totaled almost 800,000 between 1975 and 1995. Many of the refugees failed to survive the passage, facing danger from pirates, over-crowded boats, and storms. According to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees, between 200,000 and 400,000 boat people died at sea.

Socialist takeovers have never been good and Americans must ask where in the world could you flee to better than here?
 
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It is according to how large of a strike because most goods are brought in by truck. It could literally take the country hostage and desire an immediate response as people will face food scarcity.

This is actually how an ex-navy seal explained how easy it could be to take back the country. Since most liberals live in big cities, it would only take opposition forces to cut off supply to the city. Eventually, it would blow up within and it would be extremely hard for the socialists to organize and calm the violence within.

It is also how they define taking America back. Back from what? If it is a socialist/ Communist takeover then food scarcity would only be a small ill for the dangers to come. Eventually, true socialists will go for American's guns and you will no longer have protests that involve not doing their job like driving trucks. Instead, people will be either going to jail, submitting, fleeing, or dying as they fight back.

The war in Vietnam ended this way. As the US saw the writing on the wall, they began to pull out. The North began to take over the South and eventually cut everything off while closing in on Saigon. The fall of Saigon is the same fate time and time again for a socialist takeover.

One objective of the Communist Party of Vietnam was to reduce the population of Saigon. Following the end of the war, according to official and non-official estimates, between 200,000 and 300,000 South Vietnamese were sent to re-education camps, where many endured torture, starvation, and disease while they were being forced to do hard labor.

If you do not believe the same as them then you must be re-educated or eliminated. This contributed to the

A mass exodus occurred between 1975 and 1995 Indochina refugee crisis. Many fled by boat. The number of boat people leaving Vietnam and arriving safely in another country totaled almost 800,000 between 1975 and 1995. Many of the refugees failed to survive the passage, facing danger from pirates, over-crowded boats, and storms. According to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees, between 200,000 and 400,000 boat people died at sea.

Socialist takeovers have never been good and Americans must ask where in the world could you flee to better than here?
Sounds like an irresponsible way to get their point across. It will create hatred for the truckers and they will get fired and new ones will be hired and if they escalate their anarchy they will get arrested. Nothing more will come of their attempt. The strikers would be replaced. They would find that they aren't all that after all.

America is not so weak that we can't deal with a trucker strike. It has happened before and there was no inner city melt down. Let them strike. It's their right.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Sounds like an irresponsible way to get their point across. It will create hatred for the truckers and they will get fired and new ones will be hired and if they escalate their anarchy they will get arrested. Nothing more will come of their attempt. The strikers would be replaced. They would find that they aren't all that after all.

America is not so weak that we can't deal with a trucker strike. It has happened before and there was no inner city melt down. Let them strike. It's their right.
More irresponsible than looting, rioting, and killing police?

I'm not advocating for either but hear this. If liberty is at stake and human rights then my opinion changes. If those are the stakes then let them protest in a way to secure liberty and human rights.
 
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kaylagrl

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They've been trying for years - a good read is Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism by Michelle Goldberg - it's an eye opener.

https://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Coming-Rise-Christian-Nationalism/dp/0393329763


So you fear Christian Nationalism over Socialist/ Communism. Humm tells me a lot about you right there.

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereigne Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britaine, France and Ireland king, defender of the faith, etc. having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honour of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northerne parts of Virginia, doe by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civill body politick, for our better ordering and preservation, and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enacte, constitute, and frame such just and equall laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meete and convenient for the generall good of the Colonie unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape-Codd the 11. of November, in the year of the raigne of our sovereigne lord, King James, of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fiftie-fourth. Anno Dom. 1620.


Mayflower Compact, the first governing document of America.
 
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EleventhHour

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So you fear Christian Nationalism over Socialist/ Communism. Humm tells me a lot about you right there.

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereigne Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britaine, France and Ireland king, defender of the faith, etc. having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honour of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northerne parts of Virginia, doe by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civill body politick, for our better ordering and preservation, and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enacte, constitute, and frame such just and equall laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meete and convenient for the generall good of the Colonie unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape-Codd the 11. of November, in the year of the raigne of our sovereigne lord, King James, of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fiftie-fourth. Anno Dom. 1620.


Mayflower Compact, the first governing document of America.
That document does not remain in force.
Perhaps you should read the Scarlet Letter.

And I see nothing in the N. T. that endorses the implementation of a theocracy. Christianity is not a system of political force.
 
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EleventhHour

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Your profile is blocked so I have to ask, are you a born again Christian?
You believe that a person can loose their salvation correct? Some people would use that as a basis to ask the same question.
 
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kaylagrl

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If you read it then share. I do not have time to read such nonsense. I'm well informed on the history of this country and originality. This secular nonsense is not what our founders built. Just read George Washington's farewell address to see how important religion is.

I always check the author before I read a book. Here's a person we as Christians should read according to FC.

In 2009 she published The Means of Reproduction: Sex, Power, and the Future of the World (2009),[7] which is based on her own reporting about the state of women's reproductive rights across several continents,[4] and explores what she terms the "international battle over reproductive rights".[8]

Soooo she supports the killing of innocent unborn children for starters.

She's an opinion columnist. And here is one of those "opinions".

In 2012, Goldberg criticized a column written by Ann Romney, wife of politician and businessman Mitt Romney, in USA Today; Romney wrote that there was "no crown more glorious" than the "crown of motherhood." Goldberg responded that such phrases reminded her of "pronatalist propaganda of World War II-era totalitarian regimes.

She didn't apologize for it either. Here's more about this author we as Christians are suppose to read...

In 2013, Goldberg sympathized with racist tweet by Justine Sacco, fired for tweeting "Going to Africa. Hope I don’t get AIDS. Just kidding! I’m white” in which Goldberg sympathized "...a very bad joke about racism."[12] In 2014, Goldberg was criticized by Jos Truitt in the Columbia Journalism Review for one-sided coverage in a piece she wrote about transgenderism, using discredited[13] work of Dr. Raymond Blanchard's fabricated "autogynephilia".[14] In the CJR article, Goldberg was accused of violating journalism ethics of inaccuracy in work, not verifying information, eluding context via Serano publishing emails and referencing works discrediting her foundational basis against Trans, even accused of stereotyping via the “transgender’ism’” verbiage.

And her crowning moment...

"Goldberg called for violence amongst young people on a campus saying "do your part and spit at [pro-lifers]. Kick them in the head."

And the cherry on top??

Goldberg endorsed Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in the run-up for the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[

Now why in the world would you ever think this woman would be hostile to the Christian faith?:rolleyes:

There, I saved you buying a useless book by a rabid feminist with an agenda. ;)
 
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kaylagrl

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You believe that a person can loose their salvation correct? Some people would use that as a basis to ask the same question.

Ask me if I am saved?! You don't have to, it's on my profile for all to see. I assume yours is also. And no, I don't believe a person can "loose" their salvation. I'm not a Calvinist though. Am I to assume you are?
 
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EleventhHour

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Ask me if I am saved?! You don't have to, it's on my profile for all to see. I assume yours is also. And no, I don't believe a person can "loose" their salvation. I'm not a Calvinist though. Am I to assume you are?
Nope not a Calvinist

...and people hide their profiles for various reasons, that is why it is an option... it means nothing.
 
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kaylagrl

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That document does not remain in force.
Perhaps you should read the Scarlet Letter.

And I see nothing in the N. T. that endorses the implementation of a theocracy. Christianity is not a system of political force.

I agree Christianity is not about political force. Totally. But I do believe America was founded on Christian principles and beliefs and that was the intent of the majority of founding fathers. I have read the SL, I was in the house of the man that wrote it. I liked the movie better, big fan of Gary Oldmans acting, he never got enough credit. BTW did you know the movie was filmed in Nova Scotia, my part of the woods. Still have pieces of the set there in the town it was filmed in. Pretty cool.
 
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kaylagrl

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Nope not a Calvinist

...and people hide their profiles for various reasons, that is why it is an option... it means nothing.

Me neither. Oh, I never said they didn't have the right, I said because they have I have to ask. Many here are not believers at all and they say so on their profile. I'm asking so I know their POV. But if they recommend a book like that, I can't see them claiming to be a Christian. Could be wrong.
 
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EleventhHour

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Me neither. Oh, I never said they didn't have the right, I said because they have I have to ask. Many here are not believers at all and they say so on their profile. I'm asking so I know their POV. But if they recommend a book like that, I can't see them claiming to be a Christian. Could be wrong.
Well I read both sides ....and I think one has to employ critical thinking and discern the facts from bias.
That is my personal view.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Like that makes sense.
As usual people only read, listen to, what confirms what they already believe.
No offense but the same goes for you. Just like the info, I shared about George Washington and Freemasonry. But it still doesn't dilute the responsibility and burden of proof if you make a claim then they should defend it. It is a logical fallacy called Appeal to Authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) logical fallacy and Argument from Authority (argumentum ab auctoritate) are the same forms of discussion arguments in which a person producing a claim referencing the opinion of authority as evidence to support an argument.
 
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EleventhHour

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I have gained some respect for Fox News
 
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EleventhHour

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No offense but the same goes for you. Just like the info, I shared about George Washington and Freemasonry. But it still doesn't dilute the responsibility and burden of proof if you make a claim then they should defend it. It is a logical fallacy called Appeal to Authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) logical fallacy and Argument from Authority (argumentum ab auctoritate) are the same forms of discussion arguments in which a person producing a claim referencing the opinion of authority as evidence to support an argument.

I know all about that and we are not engaging in a formal debate. You appealed to authority as well and do all the time.
 
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kaylagrl

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Well I read both sides ....and I think one has to employ critical thinking and discern the facts from bias.
That is my personal view.
I don't always agree but I appreciate you sister. I think you are a very intelligent and learned person. And I agree you should look at both sides. But when you see a clear agenda it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know where the story ends. The author has an agenda, and that's fine. But it has no bearing on Christian faith, more directly being a born again Christian. Certainly not a book to recommend.