Trump Is Out Of Line, Again

[Desdichado]

Yes, I agree, and to extract something from your posts, I'd like to emphasize the analysis of what you expect to take place within the Republican party. As you say, the Democratic party is merely a loose convention of people, groups etc not forcing their candidate to fit every single sub organizations twisted way of seeing the world. This strategy has paid off ever since 2008, and probably made Bill Clinton possible, even though ole Bush didn't get the significance of the economical aspect, and by that paved the way for William Jefferson Clinton, quite a presidential name, by the way.

The Republicans, on the other hand, is forced by sub groups which do not comprehend politics, but keep telling everybody they are the only ones comprehending it. These people are major republican obstacles. You don't win the general by consultating every single organization contacting you, promising them that your politic will be reflecting their political "insight".

Republicans might should acknowledge that they cant make everybody happy, but they can make enough people happy to win the general. Even though that means some extremists are leaving the party. The strategy of this general appears to be a "make most folks mad" strategy.

Correct, though I would say the Democratic coalition stretches back quite far. FDR built set the foundation by going after Southerners, Blacks, and City Dwellers and adding Bread and Circuses into the mix. LBJ laid a strong brick wall over that foundation. Bill Clinton gave it a roof. Barack Obama put in an addition and a two car garage.

Concurrently ideological dogma grew on the Left.

The main problem with those sub-groups on the Right is that they became incapable of practical consensus within their own smoke filled rooms for various reasons. You really can deliver messages people disagree with and get elected. You simply have to show strength and common cause with the voter on some level (simple in conception, an art to execute).

I think a lot of it has to do with arrogance. The conservative movement cemented into something it was ill-suited to be with multiple groups vying for petty political influence. Saviors of the Post-Cold War Republic one and all.

It gets absurdly comical sometimes. I've had interactions with this one group which claimed that the writings of Frederick Douglas and their application would somehow galvanize and propagate conservatism. One woman had this vision of kids wearing Frederick Douglas shirts. Talk about delusions of grandeur.

 

[Desdichado]

This is fun, Jennymae!

 

[jennymae]

Correct, though I would say the Democratic coalition stretches back quite far. FDR built set the foundation by going after Southerners, Blacks, and City Dwellers and adding Bread and Circuses into the mix. LBJ laid a strong brick wall over that foundation. Bill Clinton gave it a roof. Barack Obama put in an addition and a two car garage.

Concurrently ideological dogma grew on the Left.

The main problem with those sub-groups on the Right is that they became incapable of practical consensus within their own smoke filled rooms for various reasons. You really can deliver messages people disagree with and get elected. You simply have to show strength and common cause with the voter on some level (simple in conception, an art to execute).

I think a lot of it has to do with arrogance. The conservative movement cemented into something it was ill-suited to be with multiple groups vying for petty political influence. Saviors of the Post-Cold War Republic one and all.

It gets absurdly comical sometimes. I've had interactions with this one group which claimed that the writings of Frederick Douglas and their application would somehow galvanize and propagate conservatism. One woman had this vision of kids wearing Frederick Douglas shirts. Talk about delusions of grandeur.

Yeah, people need a direction, e.g. where is this candidate heading? This year the GOP candidate is a person, judging from his actions, not displaying any direction. To the electorate he is a man saying "a lot of stuff", and that's it. Besides, there is a Russian connection that should not be ignored. Knowing how the Russian intelligence is working, I'd say they may can, and I have to underline "may", because I don't know whether there is an actual tie, or if it is a media inevented tie, but if it is, he really should be thinking things over.

On the other side we got Clinton. Most things I said about Trump applies to her as well. I'm still not sure where she stands, the only thing I do know, is that she is not telling the truth. Now, not many politicians are, but her way of not telling the truth now looks habitual, that's not a good sign.

So, we just have to take our seats and get ready for the 2017-2021 ride, the captain will be a con man or a con woman

 

[jennymae]

Yeah, people need a direction, e.g. where is this candidate heading? This year the GOP candidate is a person, judging from his actions, not displaying any direction. To the electorate he is a man saying "a lot of stuff", and that's it. Besides, there is a Russian connection that should not be ignored. Knowing how the Russian intelligence is working, I'd say they may can, and I have to underline "may", because I don't know whether there is an actual tie, or if it is a media inevented tie, but if it is, he really should be thinking things over.

On the other side we got Clinton. Most things I said about Trump applies to her as well. I'm still not sure where she stands, the only thing I do know, is that she is not telling the truth. Now, not many politicians are, but her way of not telling the truth now looks habitual, that's not a good sign.

So, we just have to take our seats and get ready for the 2017-2021 ride, the captain will be a con man or a con woman

Bah...talk about just saying things and then forget to conclude...what I was going to say was that Russian intelligence may can get to him in their usual ugly ways.

 

[jennymae]

This is fun, Jennymae!

Lol, yeah, it sure is

 

[Mitspa]

You hillary supporters are obsessed with Trump

 

[jennymae]

You hillary supporters are obsessed with Trump

Thanks for your input But if you read my posts you will get to know that I'm quite the opposite of a Hillary supporter.

 

[Mitspa]

Thanks for your input But if you read my posts you will get to know that I'm quite the opposite of a Hillary supporter.

I have been reading your post...

 

[peacenik]

Mitspa

You Hillary supporters are doing really well here on the forum ...so far folks would rather drink poison than vote for Hillary ...hehe

Right wingers have been accused of being cultish social lemmings and you have just proven the point.

 

[peacenik]

When Trump first became infamous in NYC:

http://i64.tinypic.com/9bd35y.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/wwg2dy.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/140c4js.jpg





But despite all this notorious history, Trump says,

Trump remains pathetic.

 

[Mitspa]

Right wingers have been accused of being cultish social lemmings and you have just proven the point.

Hillary supporters have been accused of being so dumb they cant even spell...and you just proved it

 

[Mitspa]

I predict Trump well get at least 20% of the black vote

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I predict Trump well get at least 20% of the black vote

That would be like 20 people out of every 100 people.I don't think It will be that high,maybe 10 out of every 100.

 

[peacenik]

Hillary supporters have been accused of being so dumb they cant even spell...and you just proved it

Well Mitspa, perhaps it is time for you to grow up and stop acting like a child as you normally do.

Let us do our own form of spell check, shall we?


"social"

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=social





''lemming''


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming



What is the plural of lemming?






Obviously it is you who flunked out of grade school.

Thanks for playing.

 

[peacenik]

That would be like 20 people out of every 100 people.I don't think It will be that high,maybe 10 out of every 100.

So far, Trump has ZERO percent of the black vote:


Trump’s popularity with African-American voters polling at zero | TheHill

 

[peacenik]

Sound the alarm - the evil fish head is lurking:

 

[peacenik]

[h=1]Greatest hits from Donald Trump’s clueless army of flunkies: Kellyanne Conway, Katrina Pierson, ‘Says who?’ lawyer Michael Cohen, Rudy Giuliani and more[/h]


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...army-flunkies-greatest-hits-article-1.2768270







Biggest collection of small minded flunkies anywhere.

 

[Willie-T]

Wednesday August 31.

My Lord! What a day for President Trump!!!

 

[peacenik]

"The Mexicans love me. There are statues of me everywhere! " ~ Trump

 

[peacenik]

Trump has gone so far as to alienate his few Hispanic flunkies:



[h=1]Hispanic Surrogates For Trump Walk Away In Disgust After Last Night’s Rhetoric-Heavy Speech[/h]


Hispanic Surrogates For Trump Walk Away in Disgust After Last Night's Rhetoric-Heavy Speech | RedState



That would be the morning after Donald Trump’s visit to Mexico and his subsequent “major speech” on immigration, and some of his Hispanic surrogates are doing the walk of shame.
Trump has twisted and flipped on the immigration issue so many times, it’s hard to pinpoint exactly what his plan is, but last night’s speech was heavy on the angry, hardline rhetoric that has made this raging freak show the talk of the entire election season.
That’s yet, another flip-flop on the issue of immigration. Last week he sent his more loyal bootlicks, such as Ann Coulter, into near-total breakdown, when he announced only the “bad ones” would be deported, while there would be a path to legal status for the rest.
Last night, he was back to spouting the same nonsense that worked in the primaries to a mind-numbed crowd and for those Hispanics who have stepped forward to show support, it may have been a bridge too far.
Two of those supporters are Jacob Monty and Alfonso Aguilar.
Monty had served as a member of Trump’s National Hispanic Advisory Council.
Not anymore.

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” said Monty, a Houston attorney who has aggressively made the Latino case for Trump. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”
He withdrew from the board following Trump’s speech in Phoenix, which was heavy on calls for border security and emphasized that all immigrants in the country illegally were subject to deportation.
“When we met [earlier in August] he was going to approach this issue with a realistic plan, a compassionate plan, with a plan that was not disruptive to the immigrants that were here that were not lawbreakers,” said Monty, one of the Latino leaders who met with the candidate at Trump Tower recently, a gathering at which Trump reportedly softened his tone toward undocumented immigrants already in the country. “He didn’t deliver any of that.”
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Don’t worry, Mr. Monty. There are still several months until the election. By November 8th, he may very well be back to a policy you like.
Aguilar, a Hispanic conservative, was a critic of Trump who began to give him consideration, and earlier in the summer, joined with other Hispanics to write a letter of support for the candidate. He’s since made appearances to support Trump’s candidacy.

“It’s so disappointing because we feel we took a chance, a very risky chance,” Aguilar said. “We decided to make a big U-turn to see if we could make him change. We thought we were moving in the right direction … we’re disappointed. We feel misled.”
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That’s because you were misled, Mr. Aguilar. Trump’s stances will shift to whatever he feels will benefit him most in the moment. The people involved don’t matter.

He went on to add, “I can tell you there’s a real possibility we will withdraw support from Donald Trump because of that disappointing speech.”
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Neither Monty or Aguilar plan on supporting Hillary Clinton after this, but they echo the sentiment of many who were duped by the orange menace.
The bigger fools are those who actually believed him, last night.





At last these Latinos have realized that bigoted Trump is utterly pathetic.