Well for one I'm not voting for Hillary or Trump. So it would be wise for you to not to jump to blind conclusions. No matter whos voted in it's ran by the same beast regardless. Not once did I say I "hate" Clinton. Again it would be foolish for you to make false statements that aren't true. The one that really seems to not have a clear head you. I simply made statements about Hillary & you falsely believe I hate her.
Trump: Lies or Just Stupid?
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Well for one I'm not voting for Hillary or Trump. So it would be wise for you to not to jump to blind conclusions. No matter whos voted in it's ran by the same beast regardless. Not once did I say I "hate" Clinton. Again it would be foolish for you to make false statements that aren't true. The one that really seems to not have a clear head you. I simply made statements about Hillary & you falsely believe I hate her.
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I agree with you about the party system. I think our entire government needs an overhaul. Here is my solution.
1. Get rid of Congress and Senate.
2. The People vote on Everything.
3. Governor or his appointed spokes person goes to Washington and tells the President how his/her state has voted.
4. Each state counts on the vote, no matter how many people are in that state.
5. Federal Government is there to protect our Nation and foreign relations.
6. Local LEO's handle enforcement of law's within their state.
7. Fed Government stays out of education.
8. President makes 100K a year and can't make any type of profit from being President. No becoming millionaires like the Clinton's did.
There is a ton more I would change but that is the jiff of it.
1. Get rid of Congress and Senate.
2. The People vote on Everything.
3. Governor or his appointed spokes person goes to Washington and tells the President how his/her state has voted.
4. Each state counts on the vote, no matter how many people are in that state.
5. Federal Government is there to protect our Nation and foreign relations.
6. Local LEO's handle enforcement of law's within their state.
7. Fed Government stays out of education.
8. President makes 100K a year and can't make any type of profit from being President. No becoming millionaires like the Clinton's did.
There is a ton more I would change but that is the jiff of it.
I must admit that while your procedures to elect a president suck, I have always admired that states rights were more important than federal rights. Has that changed? Do you think power is being unwisely concentrated in the federal government now?
I ask because our federal government has much more power than the provinces. In fact Ottawa stole oil money from Alberta for years, to the tune of trillions of dollars. They also steal money from "have" provinces and give them to provinces that supposedly "have not!" Called transfer payments. Newfoundland and Labrador was always the recipent of federal taxes dollars, mostly from Alberta, until their oil started making the money, plus the salaries of oil workers communing to Fort MacMurry to earn the big bucks. They were so entitled they fought tooth and nail to keep the money the federal government stole from Alberta.
Transfer payments are still going on today, despite the collapse of the economy in Alberta because of the low price of oil, compounded with the Fort MacMurry Fire, which saw those producers lose millions of dollars because of the fire.
The west in Canada would love to break away from the blood suckers in the provinces of Quebec and Ontario, who also elected the worst possible Prime Minister the country could have, especially when the economy is so down. Two days ago, Justin was in BC kissing up the royals. Prince George, age 3, would not high or low five Trudeau, nor even shake hands with him. Put a crown on that boy! Take him off the list to be third in line for the throne and make him first! Today, Trudeau is in Israel sitting in the second row for the funeral of Shimon Perez. He didn't get to speak either, but I am sure he took a few selfies with himself and the coffin!
Or is states rights for another thread? Or the erosion of states rights? This is something I would like to know more about, but not to derail my own thread.
the thread was about Trump; about a single, particular thing abut Trump, and your reply was to bash Clinton as "one of the wickedess women in America." ((sic))
i don't think i made a very big logical leap.
if you're not voting for either one of them, i applaud that!!
i have more respect personally for an American that doesn't vote at all than votes for either one of those two -- though i do not think we should just abstain, but vote for whoever you really would respect as the POTUS, without it even entering your mind whether they have a chance of winning at all.
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my biggest peeve with this whole thing is partisanship, especially as it pertains to the GOP having convinced most of the south that it is the 'party of Christianity' -- so that, for example, my particular state would vote republican if Pol Pot was the candidate ((Trump, pretty much case in point)) & go home from the polls telling themselves they did God's work while doing so. if dr. David Jeremiah ran as a democrat against Hitler, R, my state would declare dr. Jeremiah "one of the wickedess men in America" and make whatever excuses they had to for Hitler. when the excuses wore thin, they would just refuse to acknowledge anything about Hitler, and talk about how evil whoever the blue candidate is.
that's the impression i get. very few people will admit it, but culturally, American Christians have a profound bias to 'default' to the republican party, and i believe that is a direct result of GOP propaganda, not limited to R candidates being prepped to make transparently token gestures of 'honor' toward whatever it is they think 'Christianity' amounts to when they start campaigning in the Bible belt.
that's what i see going on all around me with Trump. and that's why i don't think it's of any value whatsoever to denigrate Clinton at all. you don't have to tell 'Christians' in this country anything bad about any democrat. they already assume that. what's needed is exposing the truth about the candidate they are going to 'default' to, because you know how people are, i'm sure: they make decisions and rationalize them later.
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that was the impression i got from your post: rationalizing support for Trump by focusing on negative statements about Clinton, which don't even have to be justified in the aggregate of this audience, because the predisposition is already there; all you have to do is fan the flames a little bit and nobody will think about who it is they end up voting for so much as who they are voting against, when they go to the booth in November.
if that wasn't your intention i really do apologize: but that is how you came across in the context of the thread and specifically with what you said, and what i described in the preceding is how i see this whole thing, and it's diabolical.
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Ok so Hillary and Trump are both liars. Nearly all politicians are. Lets think about who Clinton is going to nominate to the supreme court and who Trump will. Trump has already made a list of very acceptable jurist to nominate. I'm sure it was part of the deal he had to make to finally get the GOP to get behind him. Hillary on the other hand, sur will throw someone in the supreme court who is a devout marxist that will surly limit all our rights.
if this is the issue that you would decide on, IMHO you should have backed Sanders -- who is the only candidate so far as i know with such a strong stance against Citizens United -- a SCOTUS issue.
if you're bringing this up because, abortion -- Trump isn't any more anti-abortion than Clinton, for one thing, and tbh, i don't think that law is ever going to be changed in this country, even with 9 GOP appointed justices. not until a mormon antichrist takes the white house, moves it to Missouri, builds a temple there and declares himself god of the earth. then such a man might also unilaterally declare abortion sinful and outlawed.
Way too much power has been placed in the hands of the federal government. The way the constitution was written, Congress really should be the stronger of the branches. Unfortunately due to political expediency, congress has ceded power to the executive. This is why executive orders have become such a contentious issue. What was originally ment for the president to give orders to the various departments and agencies, has now become a way for the president to rewrite law because congress gave broad authority to the executive departments and agencies to make regulations instead congress legislating each new rule.
The constitution only grants 17 powers to the congress to make legislation for, like maintaining a navy and raising an army, making treaties and levying certain taxes. The 10th ammendment gave to the states and the people the powers that the constitution did not give to congress. In other words, the people are free to do as they wish as long as no law forbids it, and the government may only do what the law allows. Unfortunately, because of very political activist judges, Congress has been able to make laws regulating such things the federal government should not be and was never intended to be involved with.
Add all this to the 16th ammendment that allows congress to levy a tax on income, the federal government has become an unstoppable force. Because now the feds collect much more revenue than the states could where as the opposite was true before the 16th, the states now have to come to the feds with their hands out. Any opposition the states could put against to federal rule comes at the cost of losing federal funding.
See the framers of the constitution envisioned a republic that was very hard to effect legislation. We shouldn't have laws passed daily dependant on popular whims. Laws should be very difficult to inact and very slow to come. I believe in a republican government that has limited powers. Democracy as was suggested by the previous poster with direct elections of laws, only leads to the tyranny of the majority.
The constitution only grants 17 powers to the congress to make legislation for, like maintaining a navy and raising an army, making treaties and levying certain taxes. The 10th ammendment gave to the states and the people the powers that the constitution did not give to congress. In other words, the people are free to do as they wish as long as no law forbids it, and the government may only do what the law allows. Unfortunately, because of very political activist judges, Congress has been able to make laws regulating such things the federal government should not be and was never intended to be involved with.
Add all this to the 16th ammendment that allows congress to levy a tax on income, the federal government has become an unstoppable force. Because now the feds collect much more revenue than the states could where as the opposite was true before the 16th, the states now have to come to the feds with their hands out. Any opposition the states could put against to federal rule comes at the cost of losing federal funding.
See the framers of the constitution envisioned a republic that was very hard to effect legislation. We shouldn't have laws passed daily dependant on popular whims. Laws should be very difficult to inact and very slow to come. I believe in a republican government that has limited powers. Democracy as was suggested by the previous poster with direct elections of laws, only leads to the tyranny of the majority.
Sorry to hear you have no education, and never studied metaphors or similes! Very sad. Here are my exact words:
"but Trump's lies make Hillary look like an honest Saint!"
"Like" (or as) is a comparison using like or as. It is not a fact, and in this case, it was a comparison between Trump's and Hillary's lies. You know, as in they both lie!
I have never said once that Hillary has not done objectionable things. But, as PH so nicely articulated for us, people love to jump on Hillary for her wrong doing (and yes, it is there!) but they turn a blind eye to Trump when he does the same thing!
Trump lied and lied and lied in that debate. Hillary lied a bit. So the lesser of two evils was what I was referring to. But certainly not to vote for either, or make Hillary into an ACTUAL Saint. Lord preserve us from that!
Or, maybe you agree that Trump is either ignorant, stupid or has dementia and so couldn't help himself from lying? And if so, is that the kind of person you want in control of your country for the next 4 years??
You know, if I was going to debate in front of the world and 100 million or more people I would have prepared and gotten my facts right. Especially when the Republicans have gone after Hillary for committing the same crime.
"but Trump's lies make Hillary look like an honest Saint!"
"Like" (or as) is a comparison using like or as. It is not a fact, and in this case, it was a comparison between Trump's and Hillary's lies. You know, as in they both lie!
I have never said once that Hillary has not done objectionable things. But, as PH so nicely articulated for us, people love to jump on Hillary for her wrong doing (and yes, it is there!) but they turn a blind eye to Trump when he does the same thing!
Trump lied and lied and lied in that debate. Hillary lied a bit. So the lesser of two evils was what I was referring to. But certainly not to vote for either, or make Hillary into an ACTUAL Saint. Lord preserve us from that!
Or, maybe you agree that Trump is either ignorant, stupid or has dementia and so couldn't help himself from lying? And if so, is that the kind of person you want in control of your country for the next 4 years??
You know, if I was going to debate in front of the world and 100 million or more people I would have prepared and gotten my facts right. Especially when the Republicans have gone after Hillary for committing the same crime.
We've got a couple of bad candidates to choose from.
One is a near-30 year politician, who's main accomplish is bench warming.
The other is questionably Conservative.
This year my vote is against the biggest Liberal threat. I'll be trying to protect the SCOTUS(and unborn babies, marriage, second amendment, etc.) from Liberalism's assault on Christianity and humanity.
Trump offers a marginally better chance at that.
One is a near-30 year politician, who's main accomplish is bench warming.
The other is questionably Conservative.
This year my vote is against the biggest Liberal threat. I'll be trying to protect the SCOTUS(and unborn babies, marriage, second amendment, etc.) from Liberalism's assault on Christianity and humanity.
Trump offers a marginally better chance at that.
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