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Truth7t7

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I would take issue about my tending towards the negative. But anyway I see nothing positive about storming your Capital and ending up with the deaths of five people because some fanatics didn't like the election result. Here we have had a long and bitter dispute about leaving the EU which included numerous pro EU groups camping and protesting outside Parliament for two years but no deaths reported thank God. Even now there are still serious divisions regarding the 2016 referendum result and the Government's handling of the Corvid 19 crisis.

The battleground is spiritual and in saying that as I have said before its God who is in control
so any outcome whether social or political he has allowed. That's not saying that its necessarily a good outcome from a temporal point of view but God looks towards his end plan not at ours.
What deaths?

Please show a Coroner's report/statement or death certificate?

Even further, a Hospital Name, Doctor or Spokes person regarding the deaths?

Waiting :giggle:
 
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I would find it hard to believe a spirit filled born again (Christian) could vote for a person that supports killing the unborn (Abortion) and (Homosexuality) in same sex marriage.

What's your position on the two items above?
I am strongly opposed to both. But who am I to determine the hearts of others? That is up to God and God alone.

Down here in Australia we have the same political issues, with our Labour government in support of same sex marriage, transgender, abortion ect. So our Liberal party is more in line with my beliefs. However as somebody who works in the community amongst some very disadvantaged people, the labour government (who supports the aforementioned) is the party who support the most disadvantaged among us. Who am I then to say that anyone who votes for a party due to their supporting our needy is not spirit filled?
 

Truth7t7

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I am strongly opposed to both. But who am I to determine the hearts of others? That is up to God and God alone.

Down here in Australia we have the same political issues, with our Labour government in support of same sex marriage, transgender, abortion ect. So our Liberal party is more in line with my beliefs. However as somebody who works in the community amongst some very disadvantaged people, the labour government (who supports the aforementioned) is the party who support the most disadvantaged among us. Who am I then to say that anyone who votes for a party due to their supporting our needy is not spirit filled?
In the US, the democratic liberals dont take care of the innocent disadvantaged, they kill them, it's called 1st degree pre-meditated murder, (Abortion)

And once again, I find it hard to believe a "Christian" would vote for a person that condones and supports killing the innocent unborn (Abortion) and Homosexuality in same sex marriage
 
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In the US, the democratic liberals dont take care of the innocent disadvantaged, they kill them, it's called 1st degree pre-meditated murder, (Abortion)

And once again, I find it hard to believe a "Christian" would vote for a person that condones and supports killing the innocent unborn (Abortion) and Homosexuality in same sex marriage
OK, over here Liberals are the Conservative party. Labour is to the left.

Personally, I find that very hard to take as well. As a woman that hasn't been blessed with children, I mourn for those unborn babies on a very personal level, and as a Christian I find both abhorrent.

But as in my example, the other side can question anybody who votes for a party that allows our disadvantaged to suffer. My point - we are not the judge and jury. All we can do is love one another, pray for each other and continue to study God's word.

Because all the rest for the world are seeing on these issues is Christian factions spewing hate. Not spreading love. Not advocating for the needy. Not leading by example and showing people who are living in sin (abortions, same sex marriage) that there is a better way. And that way is that WE ARE ALL SINNERS - SAVED BY GRACE.

How to rally government? I am not sure. But storming the Capitol as an example makes us no better than them. Watered down gospels in churches and everything that goes with it... a separate issue, I am just speaking in regards to the Trump administration and adversary surrounding it.
 

Truth7t7

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But as in my example, the other side can question anybody who votes for a party that allows our disadvantaged to suffer. My point - we are not the judge and jury. All we can do is love one another, pray for each other and continue to study God's word.

Because all the rest for the world are seeing on these issues is Christian factions spewing hate. Not spreading love. Not advocating for the needy. Not leading by example and showing people who are living in sin (abortions, same sex marriage) that there is a better way. And that way is that WE ARE ALL SINNERS - SAVED BY GRACE.
Gods word is the judge and jury, killing the unborn and homosexuality are condemned by God, and a Spirit filled Christian wouldn't vote for a person's Biden/Harris that support and condone such

There is no diversion from this fact, in mentioning Liberals taking care of the disadvantaged, or some other excuse, in covering the 1st degree pre-meditated murder (Abortion)

Conclusion: No a Spirit Filled "Christian" wouldn't vote for candidates that support and condone (Abortion) or (Homosexuality) it's that simple
 

tanakh

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What deaths?

Please show a Coroner's report/statement or death certificate?

Even further, a Hospital Name, Doctor or Spokes person regarding the deaths?

Waiting :giggle:
If you want to see one go straight to the appropriate authority and get it from them. Otherwise you will have a very long wait.
 

Truth7t7

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If you want to see one go straight to the appropriate authority and get it from them. Otherwise you will have a very long wait.
You cant provide a Coroner's report, statement, or death certificate, a Hospital Name or Spokes Person, or a Doctor's Name or Statement regarding the deaths?

Because they don't exist :giggle:
 
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Gods word is the judge and jury, killing the unborn and homosexuality are condemned by God, and a Spirit filled Christian wouldn't vote for a person's Biden/Harris that support and condone such

There is no diversion from this fact, in mentioning Liberals taking care of the disadvantaged, or some other excuse, in covering the 1st degree pre-meditated murder (Abortion)

Conclusion: No a Spirit Filled "Christian" wouldn't vote for candidates that support and condone (Abortion) or (Homosexuality) it's that simple
WOW. OK. You have the authority to determine which sin is greater than others... and who is and isn't a Christian.

God save America!

I don't think I have anything more I can add to that!

Oh wait I do. Is God in control? Or are you?
 

Truth7t7

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WOW. OK. You have the authority to determine which sin is greater than others... and who is and isn't a Christian.

God save America!

I don't think I have anything more I can add to that!

Oh wait I do. Is God in control? Or are you?
Gods words concerning killing the innocent unborn (Abortion) and (Homosexuality) same sex marriage

Exodus 20:13KJV

13 Thou shalt not kill

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Roman's 1:26-32KJV
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly
, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 
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Gods words concerning killing the innocent unborn (Abortion) and (Homosexuality) same sex marriage

Exodus 20:13KJV
13 Thou shalt not kill

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Roman's 1:26-32KJV
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly
, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Are you innocent of all the above? Am I? No. I was pretty terrible to my parents in my younger years.. We are forgiven. You can not pick and choose, such as the ones you have highlighted in red!

I feel very sad that I am speaking to a fellow Christian who is assuming the position of God, when it comes to the judgement of another Christian's salvation. And it really is at the crux of my original comment about such division within the church and its impact on how a lot of the world are viewing American Christianity at the moment. Spewing hatred and judgement and paranoid. Like you have no faith in God or his plans.. And for those that are continuing to choose to live in sin... such as the homosexuals, people who have abortions, or people who continue to love money more than God... (Trump may fall into the latter???) is you judging them a reflection of Christ's love? Or is it better to point them toward the cross?
 

shittim

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Our brother in Christ was not "assuming the position of God".
Thank you Truth 7 and Nehemiah.
So important that we stand this day in age, lest we fall for anything, not being able to discern.
We can see the evidence daily of both.
everything we do in life makes a ripple, the good and the bad, His way or the adversaries way.
best wishes
 

shittim

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I love this parable... but can you please explain what you mean by the truth divides? There are many Christians proclaiming to be christians with their mouths, yet God will say I do not know you!

Do you think the issue of Trump is a salvation issue?? Or our response to it?

Sorry I don't quite understand your point here.
"Christians" proclaiming to be Christians or "people" proclaiming to be Christians? the second seems more accurate.
 

shittim

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His own mean what He means, holding fast to what is true, eschewing what is not.
best wishes
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I did check your nationality before posting. Unfortunately there is no mention in your profile
of it but as a Trump supporter I assumed you were American hence the the '' Your people'' reference
which refers to the many millions of Americans that voted for Biden.

Yes Chavez is dead but I remember seeing a Trump quote where he blamed Chavez as being
one of the people who plotted to throw his election. Problem with that was the man died some
seven years earlier.
Do you believe what you read in the press about President Trump?
Do you believe even the alleged "quotes" that are reported as his? The British press is sewer. The worst of scum media.

I'm in England & I'm born here of English & Irish parents. I have been able to see from early in Trump's
2016 campaign the enormous propaganda machine used against him daily. It only takes some research.
The same propaganda machine aimed at cancelling or dismantling Brexit. They have not given up that goal yet.

I haven't believed much from The BBC, Sky or most of the other mainstream news outlets for about 20 years.
I learned, news MUST be researched in our present age. Nothing they report can be taken at face value.
The mainstream British press are a sewer. They serve evil, lock stock & barrel.

For some reason Sky News Australia is very different than SKY in The UK
 

shittim

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Thank you Lucy, I always appreciate and give attention to your contributions.
bless you
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Thank you Lucy, I always appreciate and give attention to your contributions.
bless you
That's lovely!
I gratefully accept all blessings from a Christian sister/brother!

Bless you too!! May The Lord meet all your needs!
 

Absolutely

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I would take issue about my tending towards the negative. But anyway I see nothing positive about storming your Capital and ending up with the deaths of five people because some fanatics didn't like the election result. Here we have had a long and bitter dispute about leaving the EU which included numerous pro EU groups camping and protesting outside Parliament for two years but no deaths reported thank God. Even now there are still serious divisions regarding the 2016 referendum result and the Government's handling of the Corvid 19 crisis.

The battleground is spiritual and in saying that as I have said before its God who is in control
so any outcome whether social or political he has allowed. That's not saying that its necessarily a good outcome from a temporal point of view but God looks towards his end plan not at ours.
Too one dimensional.

That concept taken to its logical end suggest all armies are unnecessary.

Just let the devil roll on and God stop him where he sees fit.

America would not exist had good men do nothing
 

Truth7t7

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29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Are you innocent of all the above? Am I? No. I was pretty terrible to my parents in my younger years.. We are forgiven. You can not pick and choose, such as the ones you have highlighted in red!

I feel very sad that I am speaking to a fellow Christian who is assuming the position of God, when it comes to the judgement of another Christian's salvation. And it really is at the crux of my original comment about such division within the church and its impact on how a lot of the world are viewing American Christianity at the moment. Spewing hatred and judgement and paranoid. Like you have no faith in God or his plans.. And for those that are continuing to choose to live in sin... such as the homosexuals, people who have abortions, or people who continue to love money more than God... (Trump may fall into the latter???) is you judging them a reflection of Christ's love? Or is it better to point them toward the cross?
Once again, you use "Diversion" from our topic, can a "Christian" vote for Biden?

"No" a spirit filled "Christian" cant vote for persons (Biden/Harris) that "Actively Support" and condone killing the innocent unborn, 1st degree pre-meditated murder (Abortion), and (Homosexuality) in same sex marriage

Exodus 20:13KJV
13 Thou shalt not kill

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Roman's 1:26-32KJV
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly
, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 

Absolutely

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Once again, you use "Diversion" from our topic, can a "Christian" vote for Biden?

"No" a spirit filled "Christian" cant vote for persons (Biden/Harris) that "Actively Support" and condone killing the innocent unborn, 1st degree pre-meditated murder (Abortion), and (Homosexuality) in same sex marriage

Exodus 20:13KJV
13 Thou shalt not kill

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Roman's 1:26-32KJV
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly
, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
We are back to confusion as to which bathroom to use.

Roll on biden...slither on.
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