Trump: Out of Context

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KimPetras

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resurrection33 said:
Why make such a big deal out of such a small thing? There are things that really matter in this world, so why become obsessed with a petty squabble between two men?

Nobody I know is saying Donald Trump is a saint. We're just saying he's a lot better than Hillary.
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I'm making a big deal about it? I'm just having a discussion with you about it. I didn't even bring the war hero attack up. I try to see both sides of a coin before making a judgment. You see Trump's side (his feelings were hurt so he attacked McCain as not being a war hero), we both see the biased media's side (Trump randomly attacks McCain as not being a war hero), and I have my "side": Trump discrediting McCain's war service is laughable and holds no weight if it's true he fabricated his medical records to get a draft exemption and McCain is wrong to call all 15,000 people "crazies" (not all Trump supporters are crazy).
 
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Sirk said:
I have a question. If someone is a war hero and then they come home and murder their family...are they still a war hero?
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I don't think it takes away what they did on the battlefield, because they did sacrifice a lot for our freedoms. However, I don't think that can be an excuse to do something so severe like that.
 
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seed_time_harvest

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resurrection33 said:
If you are going to bait a wounded man, like the press baited Trump after McCain ridiculed his supporters, then don't expect him to say what you want him to say. His sins are so tiny and so understandable. Then look at Hillary Clinton.
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But then Donald doubles down and that IMO makes him guilty.
 
JonahLynx

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resurrection33 said:
McCain had attacked Trump's supporters.
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And Trump attacked POW's.
John McCain ridicules my supporters and I think he is a war hero?
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Then he should have said "He's not a war hero because he attacked my supporters," not, "He's not a war hero because he got captured."
 
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KimPetras

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JonahLynx said:

And Trump attacked POW's.


Then he should have said "He's not a war hero because he attacked my supporters," not, "He's not a war hero because he got captured."
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I'm curious if the die hard Trump supporters on the forum can acknowledge this.
 
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If John McCain was involved in the cover up of the actual number of POW's left behind in Vietnam....is he still a war hero?
 
JonahLynx

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Sirk said:
If John McCain was involved in the cover up of the actual number of POW's left behind in Vietnam....is he still a war hero?
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That's not the reason Trump said he's not a hero.
 
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JonahLynx said:
That's not the reason Trump said he's not a hero.
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I think, if we are honest, Trump meant nothing more than simply being captured doesn't make anyone a hero. Any more than happening to have served (as I did) and being called a Vet, makes you some kind of extraordinary person. I know a lot of Vets I would deem as downright scumbags, while I have met some guys who took off to Canada, back in the day, who are upright citizens today.
 
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Willie-T said:
I think, if we are honest, Trump meant nothing more than simply being captured doesn't make anyone a hero. Any more than happening to have served (as I did) and being called a Vet, makes you some kind of extraordinary person. I know a lot of Vets I would deem as downright scumbags, while I have met some guys who took off to Canada, back in the day, who are upright citizens today.
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The more one sacrifices in the face of adversity, the more heroic that person is. Nevertheless, I disagree that you are not an extraordinary person for your service. You're a hero. An ordinary person wouldn't be willing to do what you have done willingly.
 
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Voldemort said:
The more one sacrifices in the face of adversity, the more heroic that person is. Nevertheless, I disagree that you are not an extraordinary person for your service. You're a hero. An ordinary person wouldn't be willing to do what you have done willingly.
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I didn't mean to say I was not a special breed. (Kind of a warped and sick breed, probably) If you want to know the truth, I enjoyed much of what I did, and it is exactly what I joined to be able to legally do. Yes, as a Christian now, I regret the kind of person I was, both in the Military, and on the street. But, it would be a downright lie if I said I did not want to kill.

Please, don't ever celebrate some kind of heroism in many thousand and thousands of us who had no qualms in doing some very despicable things.
 
resurrection33

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KimPetras said:
I'm making a big deal about it? I'm just having a discussion with you about it. I didn't even bring the war hero attack up. I try to see both sides of a coin before making a judgment. You see Trump's side (his feelings were hurt so he attacked McCain as not being a war hero), we both see the biased media's side (Trump randomly attacks McCain as not being a war hero), and I have my "side": Trump discrediting McCain's war service is laughable and holds no weight if it's true he fabricated his medical records to get a draft exemption and McCain is wrong to call all 15,000 people "crazies" (not all Trump supporters are crazy).
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Well, Trump's feelings were hurt when McCain ridiculed his followers, and then the press intentionally goaded Trump by asking him if he thought McCain was a war hero. Trump responded by saying McCain wasn't a war hero. His feelings were hurt. I don't hold it against him. It certainly isn't a reason to vote against him, when you compare it to what Hillary has done.

I took the liberty of looking at your profile. You're from Germany. Do you have any political excitement in your part of the world?
 
resurrection33

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JonahLynx said:

And Trump attacked POW's.


Then he should have said "He's not a war hero because he attacked my supporters," not, "He's not a war hero because he got captured."
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He was hurt by what McCain had said and the press was intentionally goading him. I can forgive him.
 
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seed_time_harvest

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resurrection33 said:
Well, Trump's feelings were hurt when McCain ridiculed his followers, and then the press intentionally goaded Trump by asking him if he thought McCain was a war hero. Trump responded by saying McCain wasn't a war hero. His feelings were hurt. I don't hold it against him. It certainly isn't a reason to vote against him, when you compare it to what Hillary has done.

I took the liberty of looking at your profile. You're from Germany. Do you have any political excitement in your part of the world?
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A man that wants to be POTUS.
His feelings
were hurt.
 
Tommy379

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Sirk said:
I have a question. If someone is a war hero and then they come home and murder their family...are they still a war hero?
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Or come home and commit adultery against their wife who waited for him to come home and God who delivered him from captivity.
 
Sirk

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So now that we have beat up Trump for his statement about McCain. It seems that there has been some whitewashing concerning his war hero status. You guys and gals know anything about that?
 
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Voldemort

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resurrection33 said:
He was hurt by what McCain had said and the press was intentionally goading him. I can forgive him.
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The scriptures to say to forgive our brothers and sisters if we want to be forgiven. That goes without question.

What the last few pages is really questioning is if Trump attacking POW's is justified because one POW, in particular, offended Trump by name calling the people attending his rally. Correct me if I'm wrong brother, but it sounds like you don't think there is no need for Trump to apologize for his sentiments about POW's because McCain (only one POW) insulted him and his supporters?

That would be as illogical as a Black person killing a cop in Dallas because of what a cop in Minnesota may have done to another Black man. This isn't to say that what Trump said in regard to being captured (POW) is on the level of wrongness as killing a cop, but it is to say it follows the same illogical thinking.
 
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Voldemort

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A fair question to ask is: If a former Republican nominee can cause Trump to put down brave men/women POW's because his feelings were hurt, what a truly evil and powerful enemy could make Trump say and more importantly do...
 
Sirk

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I wouldn't say that his feelings were hurt as much as it made him mad
 
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