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HeIsHere said:
Yes this is the problem with these quick snapshots, because the other issue is the real purchasing power of the money over time.

I do think though that there is a widening gap, and really I do not see good evidence that cutting taxes on the super rich if they even pay taxes is going to solve the economic problems that exist presently.
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Yes, there are many reasons for the widening gap. Basic math is one of them.

At times this gets a bit too personal - people against people. But the incremental tax code is a mess. For many the higher tax brackets are an illusion because there are enough shelters and deductions to provide for the wealthy to simply structure businesses and investments to get them back into the lower brackets or use losses to shelter income for years.

But similar deductions are in place to make home ownership more accessible through deductions and such ownership was a certain degree of wealth creation and retirement for many.

I wish I could find the quote of one of the Supreme Court Justices from a generation or 2 ago who basically said to take advantage of every legal deduction there is. Why blame the wealthy and the smart from doing just that? Change the code. Go back to fundamentals and fairness. It's all just thought and ideas.
 
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Crony capitalism and tax cuts for the rich. The marxists really need some new trigger slogans. Maybe Bernie or the squad can come up with some new scary attack nonsense?
 
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HeIsHere said:
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
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HeIsHere said:
Yes this is the problem with these quick snapshots, because the other issue is the real purchasing power of the money over time.

I do think though that there is a widening gap, and really I do not see good evidence that cutting taxes on the super rich if they even pay taxes is going to solve the economic problems that exist presently.
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For me personally, I have never aspired to be a billionaire. The headache is not worth the money.

But I have done very well as an independent contractor. And have been all over the map of "inequality" in terms of wealth.

I went to college for electronics and worked construction to live....I made more money working construction than a salary at SK electronics.

So I decided to work my butt off and get an independent contractor licence. We all still have a choice and no one in America is going to stop us.

For those who are crying about not being paid enough and making enough......They have a choice. Cry or step up and make a change.

Anyone here could go work with a finish carpenter or a tiler for a few years. Get to know the trade and become a sub.....and Make a small fortune.

In America we can CHOOSE to build more wealth. But it takes work. Go get a second job. Drive an Uber. There are a lot of CHOICES.
 
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HeIsHere said:
And what are the problems with crony capitalism?
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Crony capitalism, I assume being politics and business playing unfairly, is a problem. IMO so is unbridled capitalism meaning some of the greed and unfairness.

One of the things I think should be going on and maybe will be to some degree, is that some of the nation's natural resources and thus wealth should be to the benefit of its citizens. For example, the airwaves owned by the nation so if you want to build a huge business using them, then part of the proceeds go to the people. Same with other resources. But the Biblical principle is also necessary, if you don't work, then you don't eat, So the nation needs to be a working nation while also taking care of it's truly needy.

There's much said about the good of the USC, but we can always do better and the same goes for capitalism. It's all just thought and theory. Maybe Darwin just messed things up or at least had a hand in it coupled with greed and criminality.
 
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studier said:
Crony capitalism, I assume being politics and business playing unfairly, is a problem. IMO so is unbridled capitalism meaning some of the greed and unfairness.

One of the things I think should be going on and maybe will be to some degree, is that some of the nation's natural resources and thus wealth should be to the benefit of its citizens. For example, the airwaves owned by the nation so if you want to build a huge business using them, then part of the proceeds go to the people. Same with other resources. But the Biblical principle is also necessary, if you don't work, then you don't eat, So the nation needs to be a working nation while also taking care of it's truly needy.

There's much said about the good of the USC, but we can always do better and the same goes for capitalism. It's all just thought and theory. Maybe Darwin just messed things up or at least had a hand in it coupled with greed and criminality.
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I see crony capitalism as a type of symbiosis, which eventually affects the ability of the free market to work as it should.

Absolutely agree with the resources being of benefit to the people of the nation.

I think over time there has been a growth in monopolies which works against the free market.
Sometimes companies need to be allowed to fail.
 
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HeIsHere said:
I do not, I just do not close my eyes to the other immoral activities from the other side.
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Like tax cuts for the rich? If you pay taxes and somehow the marxists block continuing the tax cuts your going to see yours go up. Tax cuts for the rich has been the drum beat of the left for decades. People are finally understanding that its nonsense. The rich have tax shelters and write offs so extending the Trump cuts help everyone. You ever use a write off? Like an IRA contribution, or writing off church donations?
 
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DeanM said:
Crony capitalism and tax cuts for the rich. The marxists really need some new trigger slogans. Maybe Bernie or the squad can come up with some new scary attack nonsense?
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At least Bernie is clear about his socialist ideas, but the rest of these liberals are confused about their identities.
 
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Texasgal said:
The offer still stands. You totally gonna love old Whaddabout.😂
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Well, i guess we can meet in Disney land primarily because it would be a comfortable and safe setting for you.
And for me and my family it'd be an interesting experience to see a day in the life of a liberal. :giggle:

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Governance will continue devolve when each side makes light of their failures, rather than owning up to their mistakes.

Their dialogue was juvenile. I give some credit to Vance on questioning the operation which was a failure really.
Maybe there is some sliver of hope with him.
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Lol well Mike Waltz already owned up to it and admitted his mistake in inviting a member of the Atlantic. The only problem is that even say Trump fired Waltz, it doesn't really do the democrats any good nor hep them at all politically nor is it particularly good theatrics either since he's not as politically significant as say Hegseth or Tulsi, whom give them a real figure to rally against instead of cannibalize eachother and burn down Tesla dealerships.

With Vance I believe this is actually very positive for him. The biggest question with Vance holding him back is whether or not he is perceived as just another ivy league liberal RINO putting on a show and dance for us, basically if he'll just be a repeat of the failure that was Mike Pence. After both publicly standing up to Zelensky and now this revelation of his private thoughts being in line with us puts a lot of confidence into Vance's stock as being genuinely on the side of the American People and being viewed as kinda the active fighter too, big boost in his position as the Successor frontrunner. Add on his efforts and expected trip with his wife to Greenland and he's having a pretty good week I think.
 
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The Big Boss Trump weighs in on JD Vance's comments and part in the minor Signal chat. Indeed Trump makes great points as always and sees the obvious just like us and actually praises JD Vance quite correctly. Take note Trump won because of this partly, this sorta attribute of being viewed as a fighter for the American People. This is not the whole sum of the game, but it is a big piece in what America looks for and wants in a President of this era. JD Vance is reflecting this attribute of Trump's most out of the Successors, for this week at least his favor rises.
 
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SonJudgment said:
Lol well Mike Waltz already owned up to it and admitted his mistake in inviting a member of the Atlantic. The only problem is that even say Trump fired Waltz, it doesn't really do the democrats any good nor hep them at all politically nor is it particularly good theatrics either since he's not as politically significant as say Hegseth or Tulsi, whom give them a real figure to rally against instead of cannibalize eachother and burn down Tesla dealerships.

With Vance I believe this is actually very positive for him. The biggest question with Vance holding him back is whether or not he is perceived as just another ivy league liberal RINO putting on a show and dance for us, basically if he'll just be a repeat of the failure that was Mike Pence. After both publicly standing up to Zelensky and now this revelation of his private thoughts being in line with us puts a lot of confidence into Vance's stock as being genuinely on the side of the American People and being viewed as kinda the active fighter too, big boost in his position as the Successor frontrunner. Add on his efforts and expected trip with his wife to Greenland and he's having a pretty good week I think.
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Vance is as critical about Trump as he has always been. Good to see that. Maybe it’s hope for him.
 
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Texasgal said:
Vance is as critical about Trump as he has always been. Good to see that. Maybe it’s hope for him.
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Indeed, and it is well noted that Vance was originally a Never Trumper and very crusty RINO-like. Hence why there was a lot of reservation when he was picked as VP. I think this along when he stood up to that barbarian Zelensky attempting to emotionally blackmail and manipulate us that Vance is allaying those reservations about him. He's looking very solidly like the future President as things stand today.
 
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