two officers shot in dallas protests
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I feel really awful for the officers and their families. I don't understand where all of the shock is coming from though. This is natural cause and effect. If an authority continuously refuses to hold itself accountable for its insidious actions, the people will subject them to accountability.
I feel really awful for the officers and their families. I don't understand where all of the shock is coming from though. This is natural cause and effect. If an authority continuously refuses to hold itself accountable for its insidious actions, the people will subject them to accountability.
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I'm new to the whole chat room thing but this a thought concerning the Dallas shooting the bible tells us that lawlessness will increase in the end times Mat.24:12. That being said do think we should increase our efforts to seek that is lost Luke 19:10
example my church has outreach on Saturday and today will more than likely go street preaching weather depending here in Texas it's nearly 100 degrees not including the heat index.
example my church has outreach on Saturday and today will more than likely go street preaching weather depending here in Texas it's nearly 100 degrees not including the heat index.
I don't hate cops. I like a lot of them. I am friends with some of them. As I have stated before, my cousin was a *very famous) NYC cop. So I am not altogether disassociated with the men in blue.
Yes, some are aholes, but that is the same with everyone in society. Some are mental cases, and they are not really cops in the spirit of what a LEO is supposed to be.
I thought Zimmerman had reasonable cause. But you think I might say otherwise because you, well, you just do.
You are lumping us all together as haters. In the meantime I realize police are individuals, I just stated as much above.
I have admitted in the past when I am wrong. Interestingly enough, I have been on here for about 6 months now, and I have been called names by other Christians, not just the last day or two from the subject about cops killing innocent people, but others over the months. Not once did I begin the exchange with name calling, not once. Sometimes I did not even respond. And I apologized when I knew I was out of line. But not once has anyone here returned it in kind to me, despite it being obvious to just not me, but others according to P's I got that they were acting rudely.
Stop lumping everyone together. That is a common problem, perception the public has of police, that many of you have preconceived notions of some of us.
I can't recall the Michael Brown event...
The Eric Garner thing, not to far from where I lived not all that long ago in Staten Island, I don't know how you can justify that. The video is convincing. So you werea police officer. That does not mean your the only guy familiar with being in tense situations. I am not suggesting I can truly appreciate what you went through every day, as a cop, I can't. But don't assume some of us that were never cops can't appreciate some of these situations. It is almost a victim mentality with that view.
While never seeking to arrest anyone, I have been in very tense situations. I also have some experience with wrestling people to the ground, many a lot bigger then me. On the street, and in 8 years of MMA. Again, with he MMA stuff, let me stress I am well aware that is a whole 'nother bag of apples regarding the urgency and tenseness of the situation. I am not comparing it to that.
I am saying that a man can be wrestled to the ground without killing him. He was clearly saying he couldn't breathe. But they did not skip a beat. Sorry, they crossed a line. I don't have to be a cop to say that. I will be blunt, I find it cold your okay with the circumstances of his death.
With the guy in Minnesota, again, your just using ideal training situations as examples. Yes, everyone should comply to the best of their understanding a officers commands. But your saying everyone should know where to keep there hands, what to do to make the officer completely comfortable? The woman claimed the cop did not even finish his sentence and shot him. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I believe he did from what I have seen. We may never know the truth, whatever that may be. I personally think the officer was nervous and scared, and shot him in a semi panic. I have said that before. While that doesn't put him on the level anywhere near the Eric Garners killers, he still may have, probably did, kill a man who was not a threat to him. This may fall closer to the category of just tragic and unfortunate.
It is not irresponsible for me to make the statements I made about officers being human and having a bad day and sometimes taking it out on civilians. Actually it is irresponsible for them to abuse their power like that.
I don't know what to tell you. I am not looking for you to agree with me, I know you won't. But some officers are biased, and should not be on the force. I stand by that. I think in the case of the officer in Minnesota, that may have been a factor. Maybe. I am astounded you are saying this never or rarely happens. Do you really believe this, or is it just a knee jerk reaction of your indoctrination from all the years on the job of never crossing that blue wall.
In fact, in view of the long tortured history blacks have suffered at the hands of the police, although no where near what it was, I think over the decades they have conducted themselves well when considering the killings and beatings they have endured. A lot of human misery.
While I absolutely do not condone what happened in Dallas, and my heart goes out to those families of the slain officers, their lives are no more important, and no less, then the many innocent people who have been murdered at the hands of the police in this country through the years.
I hope my next statement is wrong, because I do not believe in a eye for an eye, or in violence, except for self defense, or in the case of the police, what is necessary to do their job, but it may be we are at the beginning of another civil rights type era violence in that a small tiny percentage of deranged and evil and cowardly civilians may take to violence and killing police officers because they feel the system failed them. I truly hope not. But it seems to be trending that way observing what is going on in this country in the last few years.
On to another issue, I spoke of in another thread. I will shorten it up here.
A lot of things are causing profound and legit public anger toward police. A big one is people feel the police talk down to them, dis respect them, are rude to them for no reason. People are not altogether unreasonable. They know when they have it coming or not. To many times, officers are short, abrupt and disdainful to the citizens. Because of the unfair advantage most officers have in the way of authority and power over most of the public, people feel like they have little or no options to defend themselves against verbal assaults, much less unwarranted physical attacks. So how do you think the public is going to feel about the police. I know you have probably heard about this issue. Maybe even conducted yourself unprofessionally once or twice. I would not hold it against you, we are all human, and can have a bad day. But a verbal dressing down, uncalled for or not, is a far cry from a beat down or worse.
People are enraged about what they consider an abuse of power and a justice system that to often sides with the guilty.
So your saying tens of millions of Americans are just crazy and delusional and about 130,000 police officers (nationwide) are right?
Other grips many Americans have. Why don't the police ever come forward to inform their superiors of consistent unprofessional behavior among their ranks> Worse yet, when something goes horribly wrong, like a cop is just doing illegal activities, or being dangerously abusive, why doesn't other police step forward to warn who they need to, BEFORE something that can be tragic happens? or why isn't ti cops are not putting pressure on their peers to reign it in when they see problems arising? Many organizations have a informal type of self enforcement, professional sports teams being notable for this, so does it seem police don't enact this?
What makes this more detestable is the hypocrisy of law enforcement. The public is being pounded to "see something, say something." Be it family or friends. the legal arm of America just's keeps driving home how good citizens inform LE about illegal activities. But the police would not step forward to say anything about anyone in the department, rarely, even if it were murder. So you think the public doesn't see this? You don't think they call police the highest level of hypocrites when it comes to this? Many people don't respect the police in this area at all.
Last, with the techno revolution, why isn't there more info about LE regarding a central data base about number of civilians shot every year, and similar such data. It seems like there is a conscious effort to bury these stats.
Yes, some are aholes, but that is the same with everyone in society. Some are mental cases, and they are not really cops in the spirit of what a LEO is supposed to be.
I thought Zimmerman had reasonable cause. But you think I might say otherwise because you, well, you just do.
You are lumping us all together as haters. In the meantime I realize police are individuals, I just stated as much above.
I have admitted in the past when I am wrong. Interestingly enough, I have been on here for about 6 months now, and I have been called names by other Christians, not just the last day or two from the subject about cops killing innocent people, but others over the months. Not once did I begin the exchange with name calling, not once. Sometimes I did not even respond. And I apologized when I knew I was out of line. But not once has anyone here returned it in kind to me, despite it being obvious to just not me, but others according to P's I got that they were acting rudely.
Stop lumping everyone together. That is a common problem, perception the public has of police, that many of you have preconceived notions of some of us.
I can't recall the Michael Brown event...
The Eric Garner thing, not to far from where I lived not all that long ago in Staten Island, I don't know how you can justify that. The video is convincing. So you werea police officer. That does not mean your the only guy familiar with being in tense situations. I am not suggesting I can truly appreciate what you went through every day, as a cop, I can't. But don't assume some of us that were never cops can't appreciate some of these situations. It is almost a victim mentality with that view.
While never seeking to arrest anyone, I have been in very tense situations. I also have some experience with wrestling people to the ground, many a lot bigger then me. On the street, and in 8 years of MMA. Again, with he MMA stuff, let me stress I am well aware that is a whole 'nother bag of apples regarding the urgency and tenseness of the situation. I am not comparing it to that.
I am saying that a man can be wrestled to the ground without killing him. He was clearly saying he couldn't breathe. But they did not skip a beat. Sorry, they crossed a line. I don't have to be a cop to say that. I will be blunt, I find it cold your okay with the circumstances of his death.
With the guy in Minnesota, again, your just using ideal training situations as examples. Yes, everyone should comply to the best of their understanding a officers commands. But your saying everyone should know where to keep there hands, what to do to make the officer completely comfortable? The woman claimed the cop did not even finish his sentence and shot him. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I believe he did from what I have seen. We may never know the truth, whatever that may be. I personally think the officer was nervous and scared, and shot him in a semi panic. I have said that before. While that doesn't put him on the level anywhere near the Eric Garners killers, he still may have, probably did, kill a man who was not a threat to him. This may fall closer to the category of just tragic and unfortunate.
It is not irresponsible for me to make the statements I made about officers being human and having a bad day and sometimes taking it out on civilians. Actually it is irresponsible for them to abuse their power like that.
I don't know what to tell you. I am not looking for you to agree with me, I know you won't. But some officers are biased, and should not be on the force. I stand by that. I think in the case of the officer in Minnesota, that may have been a factor. Maybe. I am astounded you are saying this never or rarely happens. Do you really believe this, or is it just a knee jerk reaction of your indoctrination from all the years on the job of never crossing that blue wall.
In fact, in view of the long tortured history blacks have suffered at the hands of the police, although no where near what it was, I think over the decades they have conducted themselves well when considering the killings and beatings they have endured. A lot of human misery.
While I absolutely do not condone what happened in Dallas, and my heart goes out to those families of the slain officers, their lives are no more important, and no less, then the many innocent people who have been murdered at the hands of the police in this country through the years.
I hope my next statement is wrong, because I do not believe in a eye for an eye, or in violence, except for self defense, or in the case of the police, what is necessary to do their job, but it may be we are at the beginning of another civil rights type era violence in that a small tiny percentage of deranged and evil and cowardly civilians may take to violence and killing police officers because they feel the system failed them. I truly hope not. But it seems to be trending that way observing what is going on in this country in the last few years.
On to another issue, I spoke of in another thread. I will shorten it up here.
A lot of things are causing profound and legit public anger toward police. A big one is people feel the police talk down to them, dis respect them, are rude to them for no reason. People are not altogether unreasonable. They know when they have it coming or not. To many times, officers are short, abrupt and disdainful to the citizens. Because of the unfair advantage most officers have in the way of authority and power over most of the public, people feel like they have little or no options to defend themselves against verbal assaults, much less unwarranted physical attacks. So how do you think the public is going to feel about the police. I know you have probably heard about this issue. Maybe even conducted yourself unprofessionally once or twice. I would not hold it against you, we are all human, and can have a bad day. But a verbal dressing down, uncalled for or not, is a far cry from a beat down or worse.
People are enraged about what they consider an abuse of power and a justice system that to often sides with the guilty.
So your saying tens of millions of Americans are just crazy and delusional and about 130,000 police officers (nationwide) are right?
Other grips many Americans have. Why don't the police ever come forward to inform their superiors of consistent unprofessional behavior among their ranks> Worse yet, when something goes horribly wrong, like a cop is just doing illegal activities, or being dangerously abusive, why doesn't other police step forward to warn who they need to, BEFORE something that can be tragic happens? or why isn't ti cops are not putting pressure on their peers to reign it in when they see problems arising? Many organizations have a informal type of self enforcement, professional sports teams being notable for this, so does it seem police don't enact this?
What makes this more detestable is the hypocrisy of law enforcement. The public is being pounded to "see something, say something." Be it family or friends. the legal arm of America just's keeps driving home how good citizens inform LE about illegal activities. But the police would not step forward to say anything about anyone in the department, rarely, even if it were murder. So you think the public doesn't see this? You don't think they call police the highest level of hypocrites when it comes to this? Many people don't respect the police in this area at all.
Last, with the techno revolution, why isn't there more info about LE regarding a central data base about number of civilians shot every year, and similar such data. It seems like there is a conscious effort to bury these stats.
a possible reason why people protest against police brutality:
[h=1]NYPD Cop Secretly Records His Supervisor Telling Him to Racially Profile Black Men — Then Leaks the Tape[/h]
NYPD Cop Secretly Records His Supervisor Telling Him to Racially Profile Black Men — Then Leaks the Tape
A recording of an NYPD officer appearing to pressure a transit officer to specifically target black menhas just been released by Gawker.
The recording was provided to the New York Daily News for a story released in January, but the actual audio was not released to the public until now. Although the full recording is 36 minutes long, only a two-minute excerpt has been released.
That recording can be heard here:
New York transit officer Michael Birch said the recording took place in August 2012 during a performance evaluation.
“The conversation just turned completely weird to me,” Birch said. “Because he’s basically telling me it’s OK to racially profile.”
Birch is speaking with then-captain Constantin Tsachas in the recording, who was recently promoted to deputy inspector. An unidentified lieutenant can also be heard during one exchange.
The most damning text from the interview is transcribed below:
Commanding Officer: Who commits the crimes in the city?
Birch: Who commits the crimes? Well, it’s mostly teenagers, anywhere between the ages of 15 and 19, mostly male blacks and Hispanics.
OK. Who are you stopping?
Everybody. I stop everybody.
Fifty-four TABs up to 8/20. Twenty-five of those are female. Half.
Like I said, I stop everybody. I’m not targeting anybody.
You just told me who the bad guys are.
Yeah, I know that. But there’s also other people who are committing violations as well. I’m not saying that there’s not violations being made.
The male blacks, that you told me commit the crimes—
Plenty of people that I write summonses to are male blacks and male Hispanics.
You stopped two male blacks.
Not for the whole year. You’re telling me for the whole year I only stopped two male blacks on summonses?
8/20. From January 1st to August 20th. Fifty-four TABs: two male blacks, seven Hispanics, seven other, ten white, three Asian. So where are you targeting the perps that you just told me?
Like I said, if I don’t see a perp jumping over the turnstile, what am I supposed to do to him?
These people are not going to pop.
How do I know that? A female Hispanic that I stopped in Sheepshead Bay did pop, actually, for a warrant, and I arrested her. Female Hispanic. The Hispanics that we’re supposed to be going after. That are committing the crimes. The people that I—
Did you think that she was going to pop?
Did I think she was going to pop? I didn’t put no thought into it. If you come up for a collar, I’m taking you in.
Here’s what I see. You just described to me who’s committing the crimes. You’re fully aware of it. But you’re not targeting those people.
I am. I’m targeting everybody.
Two male blacks.
Whoever is out there. If I—
So you only saw two male blacks jump the turnstile?
If you’re saying that’s what’s in front of you, then yes, that’s all I saw, is two male blacks for the whole year jumping the turnstile. If you’re saying that’s what’s in front of you, I’m not disputing that. If that’s what I got there.
That is what you have. That is not disputed here.
I’m saying, we’re also talking Hispanics as well. I stopped a lot of Hispanics, too.
Seven male Hispanics. But more than half are female.
And like I said, everybody’s committing violations in front of me.
Birch also filed a federal lawsuit against the city and NYPD officers last January, saying that he was punished for giving his concerns about what he saw as an illegal quota system. Birch claims that he was denied overtime and given less desirable assignments as a result of his “poor performance.”Birch: Who commits the crimes? Well, it’s mostly teenagers, anywhere between the ages of 15 and 19, mostly male blacks and Hispanics.
OK. Who are you stopping?
Everybody. I stop everybody.
Fifty-four TABs up to 8/20. Twenty-five of those are female. Half.
Like I said, I stop everybody. I’m not targeting anybody.
You just told me who the bad guys are.
Yeah, I know that. But there’s also other people who are committing violations as well. I’m not saying that there’s not violations being made.
The male blacks, that you told me commit the crimes—
Plenty of people that I write summonses to are male blacks and male Hispanics.
You stopped two male blacks.
Not for the whole year. You’re telling me for the whole year I only stopped two male blacks on summonses?
8/20. From January 1st to August 20th. Fifty-four TABs: two male blacks, seven Hispanics, seven other, ten white, three Asian. So where are you targeting the perps that you just told me?
Like I said, if I don’t see a perp jumping over the turnstile, what am I supposed to do to him?
These people are not going to pop.
How do I know that? A female Hispanic that I stopped in Sheepshead Bay did pop, actually, for a warrant, and I arrested her. Female Hispanic. The Hispanics that we’re supposed to be going after. That are committing the crimes. The people that I—
Did you think that she was going to pop?
Did I think she was going to pop? I didn’t put no thought into it. If you come up for a collar, I’m taking you in.
Here’s what I see. You just described to me who’s committing the crimes. You’re fully aware of it. But you’re not targeting those people.
I am. I’m targeting everybody.
Two male blacks.
Whoever is out there. If I—
So you only saw two male blacks jump the turnstile?
If you’re saying that’s what’s in front of you, then yes, that’s all I saw, is two male blacks for the whole year jumping the turnstile. If you’re saying that’s what’s in front of you, I’m not disputing that. If that’s what I got there.
That is what you have. That is not disputed here.
I’m saying, we’re also talking Hispanics as well. I stopped a lot of Hispanics, too.
Seven male Hispanics. But more than half are female.
And like I said, everybody’s committing violations in front of me.
“It’s very hard to have a job where the whole public is against you, including your bosses. And when you actually try to do something right, they don’t care,” Birch said. “I can’t wait to get away from this place.”
Birch’s case was dismissed by a judge, but he has since appealed to a higher court. He has also joined other officers with the “NYPD 12” in a class-action suit that accuses the NYPD of implementing an illegal quota system that disproportionately targets minorities.
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