UN panel confronts Vatican on child sex abuse by clergy

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AgeofKnowledge

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The Vatican is being confronted publicly for the first time over the sexual abuse of children by clergy, at a UN hearing in Geneva. Officials faced a barrage of hard questions covering why they would not release data and what they were doing to prevent future abuse. Archbishop Silvano Tomasi said such crimes could "never be justified" and every child should be "inviolable". A fellow official said "things need to be done differently".

Last month, the Vatican refused a request from the UN's Committee on the Rights of the Child (CRC) for data on abuse, on the grounds that it only released such information if requested to do so by another country as part of legal proceedings.

Convention on the Rights of the Child, a legally binding instrument which commits it to protecting and nurturing the most vulnerable in society.

BBC News - UN panel confronts Vatican on child sex abuse by clergy

Simultaneously; however, the UN is pushing for universal acceptance of sexually immoral behaviors like homosexuality, bestiality, etc., while seeking to introduce children to graphic sex "education" and ensuring they can get abortions as young as ten without their parents being notified and if they are child prostitutes ensuring they can keep their prostituting activity private from their parent(s).

Their charter for the world's youth serves to promote sexual immorality with the exception of coercion. BDSM homosexual violence, for example, is acceptable to the UN if the young people are all willing participants as "sexual freedom encompasses the possibility for individuals to express their full sexual potential" with almost any form of "sexual pleasure" being "a source of physical, psychological, intellectual and spiritual well-being." They state that, "pornography can be both a source of inspiration and pleasure and information." Furthermore, they deny the classical biological definition of gender.

It's not surprising then that we see UNICEF-funded literature like the following which was aimed at mothers and teenagers given to delegates from Latin America promoting sexual activity and abortion among teens including the following passage:

"Situations in which you can obtain sexual pleasure: 1. Masturbation. 2. Sexual relations with a partner — whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. 3. A sexual response that is directed toward inanimate objects, animals, minors, non-consenting persons."

The bizarre recommendations also include encouragement for young women to have lesbian relations, according to the Washington Times, which first reported on the U.N. sex book in Friday editions:

"Sexual relations with a partner: Here we should insist there is no ideal or perfect relations between two or several people..... This is why we encounter many differences among women. Some women like to have relations with men. And others with another woman."
That book was pulled thanks to moral parents who complained but this is the morality of the UN.

While we appreciate the UN focusing on the problem in the Catholic Church, we also would like them to pull the hypocritical log out of their own eye and transform their own immoral worldview to a moral one and stop fostering immorality while persecuting moral people (including the children's parents) especially as it applies to children around the world.
 
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jimmydiggs

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The UN is a mess, and we should get out of it.
 
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biscuit

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It is a known fact that Pope Benedict XVI 'defrocked' 400 priests for child sex abuse during his term.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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It is a known fact that Pope Benedict XVI 'defrocked' 400 priests for child sex abuse during his term.
The John Jay Report reported that "homosexual men entered the seminaries in noticeable numbers from the late 1970s through the 1980s."

A 2002 Los Angeles Times nationwide poll of 1,854 priests (responding) reported that 9 percent of priests identified themselves as homosexual, and 6 percent more as "somewhere in between but more on the homosexual side."

53 percent of priests who were ordained in the last 20 years (1982-2002) affirmed such a subculture existed in the seminary when they attended.

Martin, James (November 4, 2000). "The Church and the Homosexual Priest". America.

Stammer, Larry B. (October 20, 2002). "15% Identify as Gay or ‘on Homosexual Side’". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved December 21, 2013.

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Now note that Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone (Cardinal Secretary of State for the Vatican) is stating:

"Many psychologists, many psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relationship between celibacy and pedophilia, but many others have demonstrated that there is a relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia."

That's quite ambiguous I know but the few neutral scholarly studies conducted on the issue I've read do show pedophilia occurs far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals when viewed on a strict PER CAPITA basis.

Keep in mind that the percentage of homosexuals to the general population is very low.

The best recent Gallup polling results show an aggregated LGBT nationwide average of 3.5%. The estimated percentage of those that are homosexual rather than bisexual or transgendered is a mere 1.7%.

LGBT Percentage Highest in D.C., Lowest in North Dakota

So the percentage of Catholic priests that are homosexual is very high compared to the larger non-priest population and these homosexual priests have a much higher PER CAPITA rate of pedophilia.

As if that's not bad enough (AND IT CERTAINLY IS), the RCC shuffled them around and covered up the problem for decades resulting in the victimization of many more children. It's really a tragic story from the admittance of large numbers of homosexual men into the RCC priesthood after the late 1960's to the present purging of them out of the priesthood that is currently ongoing.

Unfortunately, the Pope is using the occasion to purge RCC leadership of conservatives as well which could result in another round of homosexual priests being admitted into the priesthood in large numbers at some point in the future.
 
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didymos

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The homosexuals aren't the problem here, the RCC 'facilitating' child abuse by pedophiles is...
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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The data shows that both are the problem.

The homosexuals aren't the problem here, the RCC 'facilitating' child abuse by pedophiles is...
 
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didymos

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The data shows that both are the problem.
Maybe, but I couldn't care less about homosexual priests, novices etc having 'fun' together by mutual consent. Not my problem.
I do care however about children who's abuse by pedophiles is facilitated by the RCC.
 

Angela53510

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The RCC has known about these abuses for years, but because of a "crisis" in vocations (ie. men committing to the priesthood) they have blatantly ignored it!

On a personal level, my husband grew up in a small town in the interior of British Columbia. He was not Catholic, but many of his friends were. It was well known that a certain priest took "special care" of the altar boys. About 10 years ago that priest, now aged 71, and a bishop in the north of the province was arrested for multiple incidents on boys during the time my husband lived there! The whole town knew about these violations of young boys, but no one stood up to them, until an accusation was made that was never followed through on, and the RCC hierarchy grabbed the priest and put him in a city far away! It took a number of the victims many years to finally get this pedophile arrested, for actions that occurred many years before

One has to wonder how often this tragedy has occurred! In Canada we had the huge investigation of the Mt Cashel Orphanage in Newfoundland, which was reopened and investigated over 5 times. The RCC attempted to sell and take the money out of Canada when civil suites were launched to get compensation, to avoid paying the victims for what they suffered at the hands of the Catholic priests!

Mount Cashel Orphanage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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SparkleEyes

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Maybe, but I couldn't care less about homosexual priests, novices etc having 'fun' together by mutual consent. Not my problem.
I do care however about children who's abuse by pedophiles is facilitated by the RCC.
I am not Catholic. The RCC should care about those in the RCC clergy having sex with anyone since they are not supposed to be having sex with anyone even if both are adults and agree.

Everyone is morally obligated to care about the abuse of children by RCC clergy. Additionally, we should advocate for those children who are abused. :cool:
 
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didymos

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(...)The RCC should care about those in the RCC clergy having sex with anyone (...)
If the RCC REALLY cared about everything that goes wrong in that 'church'
it would become protestant... :rolleyes: