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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
Yes, they deserve every ounce of the millions of tons of depleted uranium munitions and hellfire missles we are bombarding them with as we sweep across the region devastating lives and creating chaos everywhere.
They are so insignificant, so deserving of the punishment we are inflicting upon them on behalf of a foreign power, we should not even acknowledge they exist. Just sort of blend them in with all those dirty Arabs Jesus did not include in the Great Commission.
Peter take up thy sword, slaughter my sheep.
End of problem.
Yes, they deserve every ounce of the millions of tons of depleted uranium munitions and hellfire missles we are bombarding them with as we sweep across the region devastating lives and creating chaos everywhere.
They are so insignificant, so deserving of the punishment we are inflicting upon them on behalf of a foreign power, we should not even acknowledge they exist. Just sort of blend them in with all those dirty Arabs Jesus did not include in the Great Commission.
Peter take up thy sword, slaughter my sheep.
End of problem.
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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
This is one of the most disgraceful commentaries I have seen to date, though not inconsistent with certain elements of American Evangelicalism.
As of this moment we are responsible for the installation of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, these macbre farces called Free and Democratic elections in the Arab world, the results of the Soros Arab Spring hoax.
Of course posters such as RachelBibleStudent could spend 10 minutes discovering who the Muslim Brotherhood is. But that is not going to happen, so let us embrace the Hope & Change we all wanted as we placed our trust in our own dictator. And as we are hunted by Predator Drones on our own soil, let us remember, as RachelBibleStudent as so astutely pointed out - we are getting exactly what we deserve.
This is one of the most disgraceful commentaries I have seen to date, though not inconsistent with certain elements of American Evangelicalism.
As of this moment we are responsible for the installation of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, these macbre farces called Free and Democratic elections in the Arab world, the results of the Soros Arab Spring hoax.
Of course posters such as RachelBibleStudent could spend 10 minutes discovering who the Muslim Brotherhood is. But that is not going to happen, so let us embrace the Hope & Change we all wanted as we placed our trust in our own dictator. And as we are hunted by Predator Drones on our own soil, let us remember, as RachelBibleStudent as so astutely pointed out - we are getting exactly what we deserve.
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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
the united states has never deliberately targeted christians in any war...
but if christians in the middle east choose to 'blend in' with evil...it shouldn't be surprising when they meet the fate assigned to the wicked...
in the bible God brought the arameans and the moabites and the canaanites and the midianites and the ammonites and the philistines and the assyrians and the babylonians and the seleucids and the romans against his unrepentant people...yet you seem totally shocked at the notion that God might bring still other international powers against worldly christians in the middle east...
be careful that you aren't opposing the judgments of God...who can save those that God himself has forsaken?
the united states has never deliberately targeted christians in any war...
but if christians in the middle east choose to 'blend in' with evil...it shouldn't be surprising when they meet the fate assigned to the wicked...
in the bible God brought the arameans and the moabites and the canaanites and the midianites and the ammonites and the philistines and the assyrians and the babylonians and the seleucids and the romans against his unrepentant people...yet you seem totally shocked at the notion that God might bring still other international powers against worldly christians in the middle east...
be careful that you aren't opposing the judgments of God...who can save those that God himself has forsaken?
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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
it is a shame you didn't respond to the point i was making...and just changed the subject and went on a typical trendy anti american rant instead...
when God's people put their trust in the world instead of in him...he often takes it upon himself to prove to them just how untrustworthy those worldly powers really are...
you cannot serve two masters...the syrian christians can either cry out to God or cry out to assad...only one of those two can save them...
i encourage them to repent and turn back to God...you only encourage them to blame others for their self inflicted predicament...
it is a shame you didn't respond to the point i was making...and just changed the subject and went on a typical trendy anti american rant instead...
when God's people put their trust in the world instead of in him...he often takes it upon himself to prove to them just how untrustworthy those worldly powers really are...
you cannot serve two masters...the syrian christians can either cry out to God or cry out to assad...only one of those two can save them...
i encourage them to repent and turn back to God...you only encourage them to blame others for their self inflicted predicament...
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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
What point were you making?
You only made two posts, both asserting Middle Eastern Christians are idolaters by virtue of their place of birth and their desire to continue worshipping and raising their families; that their understanding of NATO/Israeli instigated regime changes in their ancient homelands means suffering and persecution somehow constitutes apostasy; that they are forsaken by God; being punished by God....
Please do elaborate if i misunderstood your pronoucement of God's curses on the Christians of the Middle East. I responded to exactly the "point" you were making.
I didn't change the subject at all.
OP: US-NATO "humanitarian" military campaign against Syria
Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
Your conclusion : "syrian christians are saying 'forget our neighbors who are getting killed all around us...we need to put ourselves first and side with evil so we can preserve our privileges"
Would you explain how you have discerned this is what Syrian Christians have said?
Is it because CBS said they side with Assad over the NATO/Israeli death squads and balkanization of Syria (planned for the last 30 years)?
On what basis have you decided Assad is the embodiment of evil regarding Christians in Syria? CNN?
Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of the history of the region specifically regarding Christian Communities?
Which neighbors being killed around them are they forgetting about in order to preserve their "privileges"?
Turkey?
Iraq?
Jordan?
Lebanon?
Israel?
This part of your "point" needs elaborating. We are determining whether God has forsaken His people in the region, are we not?
Along with your eisegesis of Judges 10:14 you may wish to consider Exodus 20:7.
This applies to Iraqi Christian refugees who fled from NATO annihilation of Iraq to Syria; yet does not apply to us in the U.S.?
And you know they have not cried out to God how exactly?
They should cry out to God to save them from whom RachelBibleStudent?
Assad, under who they had freedom to practise their faith, to live and work and raise their families?
Or from the current Western invaders?
I see many threads on this forum discussing American elections. Are those taking part in this discussions idolaters whom God has forsaken?
Repent of what? Being born in the region?
" their self inflicted predicament."
What can be said about this?
"trendy anti american rant."
Perhaps you need more education and less indoctrination RachelBibleStudent. In the meantime it might be best to be quiet.
What point were you making?
You only made two posts, both asserting Middle Eastern Christians are idolaters by virtue of their place of birth and their desire to continue worshipping and raising their families; that their understanding of NATO/Israeli instigated regime changes in their ancient homelands means suffering and persecution somehow constitutes apostasy; that they are forsaken by God; being punished by God....
Please do elaborate if i misunderstood your pronoucement of God's curses on the Christians of the Middle East. I responded to exactly the "point" you were making.
I didn't change the subject at all.
OP: US-NATO "humanitarian" military campaign against Syria
Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
Your conclusion : "syrian christians are saying 'forget our neighbors who are getting killed all around us...we need to put ourselves first and side with evil so we can preserve our privileges"
Would you explain how you have discerned this is what Syrian Christians have said?
Is it because CBS said they side with Assad over the NATO/Israeli death squads and balkanization of Syria (planned for the last 30 years)?
On what basis have you decided Assad is the embodiment of evil regarding Christians in Syria? CNN?
Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of the history of the region specifically regarding Christian Communities?
Which neighbors being killed around them are they forgetting about in order to preserve their "privileges"?
Turkey?
Iraq?
Jordan?
Lebanon?
Israel?
This part of your "point" needs elaborating. We are determining whether God has forsaken His people in the region, are we not?
Along with your eisegesis of Judges 10:14 you may wish to consider Exodus 20:7.
This applies to Iraqi Christian refugees who fled from NATO annihilation of Iraq to Syria; yet does not apply to us in the U.S.?
And you know they have not cried out to God how exactly?
They should cry out to God to save them from whom RachelBibleStudent?
Assad, under who they had freedom to practise their faith, to live and work and raise their families?
Or from the current Western invaders?
I see many threads on this forum discussing American elections. Are those taking part in this discussions idolaters whom God has forsaken?
Repent of what? Being born in the region?
" their self inflicted predicament."
What can be said about this?
"trendy anti american rant."
Perhaps you need more education and less indoctrination RachelBibleStudent. In the meantime it might be best to be quiet.
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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
Is "deliberately" your qualifier?
Were any Japanese American "internees" or "excluded" in the 1940s Christians?
Go find out how many Japanese Christians were nuked in Hiroshima and especially Nagasaki. deliberately.
We've already established you believe Middle Eastern Christians deserve what they get and are cursed by God, so the facts may confuse you.
Christianity in Iran
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran has a long history, dating back to the early years of the faith. It is older than the State Religion, Islam itself. It has always been a minority religion, with the majority state religions — Zoroastrianism before the Islamic conquest, Sunni Islam in the Middle Ages and Shia Islam in modern times — though it had a much larger representation in the past than it does today. Christians of Iran have played a significant part in the history of Christian mission. Today, there are at least 600 churches in Iran.[1]
Sanctions against Iran
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Numerous nations and multinational entities impose sanctions against Iran. Sanctions commonly bar nuclear, missile and certain military exports to Iran; investments in oil, gas and petrochemicals; exports of refined petroleum products; business dealings with the Iranian Republican Guard Corps; banking and insurance transactions, including with the Central Bank of Iran; and shipping. The United States imposed sanctions on Iran following the Islamic revolution of 1979, while more recent rounds of sanctions by the U.S. and other entities were motivated by Iran's nuclear program.[1]
Are sanctions (sieges) acts of War, RachelBibleStudent?
Who suffers under sanctions?
Who uses sanctions against civilians more than any other nation on earth RachelBibleStudent?
Did Jesus teach Christians to starve and deprive civilians?
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
--60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Do "we" think the price is worth "it", RachelBibleStudent?
Would you consider Secretary of State Madeleine Albright less evil than Syria's Assad, RachelBibleStudent?
Economic sanctions are rapidly becoming one of the major tools of international governance of the post-Cold War era. The UN Security Council, empowered under Article 16 of the UN Charter to use economic measures to address "threats of aggression" and "breaches of peace," approved partial or comprehensive sanctions on only two occasions from 1945 to 1990. By contrast, since 1990 the Security Council has imposed sanctions on eleven nations, including the former Yugoslavia, Libya, Somalia, Liberia, Haiti, and several other nations. However, the U.S. has imposed sanctions, unilaterally or with other nations, far more frequently than any other nation in the world, or any multinational body in the world, including the United Nations. More than two-thirds of the sixty-plus sanctions cases between 1945 were initiated and maintained by the United States, and three-quarters of these cases involved unilateral U.S. action without significant participation by other countries.(1) Thus, while the question of ethical legitimacy has implications for the UN strategies of international governance, it has far greater implications for the U.S., which uses sanctions more frequently and in many more contexts, from trade regimes and human rights enforcement to its efforts to maintain regional and global hegemony.
Sanctions seem to lend themselves well to international governance. They seem more substantial than mere diplomatic protests, yet they are politically less problematic, and less costly, than military incursions. They are often discussed as though they were a mild sort of punishment, not an act of aggression of the kind that has actual human costs. Consequently, sanctions have for the most part avoided the scrutiny that military actions would face, in the domains of both politics and ethics.
The sanctions against Iraq, and the massive, long-term human suffering they have inflicted, have undermined this common view of sanctions. Since 1991, international agencies have documented Iraq's explosion in child mortality rates, water-borne diseases from untreated water supplies, malnutrition in large sectors of the population, and on and on. The most reliable estimate holds that 237,000 Iraqi children under five are dead as a result of sanctions, with other estimates going as high as one million.(2)
The deaths from sanctions are far greater than the number of Iraqis directly killed in the Persian Gulf War -- an estimated 40,000 casualties, both military and civilian.(3) But the sanctions are shocking not only because of the extent of the human damage, but also because the suffering has been borne primarily by women, children, the elderly, the sick, and the poor; the state and the wealthy classes seem to be inconvenienced, but are otherwise exempt from extreme hardship.
ECONOMIC SANCTIONS
Christianity in Iran
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran has a long history, dating back to the early years of the faith. It is older than the State Religion, Islam itself. It has always been a minority religion, with the majority state religions — Zoroastrianism before the Islamic conquest, Sunni Islam in the Middle Ages and Shia Islam in modern times — though it had a much larger representation in the past than it does today. Christians of Iran have played a significant part in the history of Christian mission. Today, there are at least 600 churches in Iran.[1]
June 4, 2012 - 16:02 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - The United States is set to tighten sanctions against Iran if the upcoming international negotiations in Moscow fail to make progress on the Islamic Republic's nuclear program, a senior U.S. official said on Monday, June 4, RIA Novosti reported.
“If we don't get a breakthrough in Moscow there is no question we will continue to ratchet up the pressure," David Cohen, U.S. Treasury undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in an interview with The Haaretz daily.
Russia is hosting the third round of talks on Iran’s nuclear program June 18-19.
Cohen said sanctions on Iran are biting, but more will be done to pressure the Islamic Republic to abandon its nuclear program.
"The sanctions are having an impact on Iran, but I also recognize that more needs to be done. And we are intent on doing more," he said.
U.S. set to tighten Iran sanctions if Moscow nuke talks fail - PanARMENIAN.Net
Is Iran seeking nuclear weapons, RachelBibleStudent?
Provide the evidence.
Is Iran planning to attack another nation?
When was the last time they did so?
Provide the evidence.
06 January 2012 David Swanson Iran
The pretence that Iran has or will soon have nuclear weapons is just a pretence, one that has been revived, debunked, and revived again like a zombie for years and years.
The push to attack Iran has been on for so long that entire categories of arguments for it (such as that the Iranians are fueling the Iraqi resistance) have come and gone.
At DontAttackIran.org we've been collecting the arguments for and against attacking Iran for years. We've campaigned against an attack, but never been able to claim a success, because decisions not to launch wars are never announced, because those pushing for wars never give up, and because those believing what their government tells them think the Pentagon never campaigns for wars but is forced into them defensively on short notice by attacks from evildoers.
While Iran has not attacked any other country in centuries, the United States has not done so well by Iran.
If the U.S. and Israel attack/nuke Iran, do they deserve it?
Should Iran's Christians assume they are cursed and forsaken by God when we nuke them?
Pretty straight-forward.
Explain your reasoning that Middle Eastern Christians are "unrepentant" and "worldly"
I'll wait to see more of your argument that God has forsaken the Christians of the Middle East.
Perhaps a poll would help involve others in this discussion - there may be something I'm missing.
Is "deliberately" your qualifier?
Were any Japanese American "internees" or "excluded" in the 1940s Christians?
Go find out how many Japanese Christians were nuked in Hiroshima and especially Nagasaki. deliberately.
We've already established you believe Middle Eastern Christians deserve what they get and are cursed by God, so the facts may confuse you.
Christianity in Iran
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran has a long history, dating back to the early years of the faith. It is older than the State Religion, Islam itself. It has always been a minority religion, with the majority state religions — Zoroastrianism before the Islamic conquest, Sunni Islam in the Middle Ages and Shia Islam in modern times — though it had a much larger representation in the past than it does today. Christians of Iran have played a significant part in the history of Christian mission. Today, there are at least 600 churches in Iran.[1]
Sanctions against Iran
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Numerous nations and multinational entities impose sanctions against Iran. Sanctions commonly bar nuclear, missile and certain military exports to Iran; investments in oil, gas and petrochemicals; exports of refined petroleum products; business dealings with the Iranian Republican Guard Corps; banking and insurance transactions, including with the Central Bank of Iran; and shipping. The United States imposed sanctions on Iran following the Islamic revolution of 1979, while more recent rounds of sanctions by the U.S. and other entities were motivated by Iran's nuclear program.[1]
Are sanctions (sieges) acts of War, RachelBibleStudent?
Who suffers under sanctions?
Who uses sanctions against civilians more than any other nation on earth RachelBibleStudent?
Did Jesus teach Christians to starve and deprive civilians?
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
--60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Do "we" think the price is worth "it", RachelBibleStudent?
Would you consider Secretary of State Madeleine Albright less evil than Syria's Assad, RachelBibleStudent?
Economic sanctions are rapidly becoming one of the major tools of international governance of the post-Cold War era. The UN Security Council, empowered under Article 16 of the UN Charter to use economic measures to address "threats of aggression" and "breaches of peace," approved partial or comprehensive sanctions on only two occasions from 1945 to 1990. By contrast, since 1990 the Security Council has imposed sanctions on eleven nations, including the former Yugoslavia, Libya, Somalia, Liberia, Haiti, and several other nations. However, the U.S. has imposed sanctions, unilaterally or with other nations, far more frequently than any other nation in the world, or any multinational body in the world, including the United Nations. More than two-thirds of the sixty-plus sanctions cases between 1945 were initiated and maintained by the United States, and three-quarters of these cases involved unilateral U.S. action without significant participation by other countries.(1) Thus, while the question of ethical legitimacy has implications for the UN strategies of international governance, it has far greater implications for the U.S., which uses sanctions more frequently and in many more contexts, from trade regimes and human rights enforcement to its efforts to maintain regional and global hegemony.
Sanctions seem to lend themselves well to international governance. They seem more substantial than mere diplomatic protests, yet they are politically less problematic, and less costly, than military incursions. They are often discussed as though they were a mild sort of punishment, not an act of aggression of the kind that has actual human costs. Consequently, sanctions have for the most part avoided the scrutiny that military actions would face, in the domains of both politics and ethics.
The sanctions against Iraq, and the massive, long-term human suffering they have inflicted, have undermined this common view of sanctions. Since 1991, international agencies have documented Iraq's explosion in child mortality rates, water-borne diseases from untreated water supplies, malnutrition in large sectors of the population, and on and on. The most reliable estimate holds that 237,000 Iraqi children under five are dead as a result of sanctions, with other estimates going as high as one million.(2)
The deaths from sanctions are far greater than the number of Iraqis directly killed in the Persian Gulf War -- an estimated 40,000 casualties, both military and civilian.(3) But the sanctions are shocking not only because of the extent of the human damage, but also because the suffering has been borne primarily by women, children, the elderly, the sick, and the poor; the state and the wealthy classes seem to be inconvenienced, but are otherwise exempt from extreme hardship.
ECONOMIC SANCTIONS
Christianity in Iran
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran has a long history, dating back to the early years of the faith. It is older than the State Religion, Islam itself. It has always been a minority religion, with the majority state religions — Zoroastrianism before the Islamic conquest, Sunni Islam in the Middle Ages and Shia Islam in modern times — though it had a much larger representation in the past than it does today. Christians of Iran have played a significant part in the history of Christian mission. Today, there are at least 600 churches in Iran.[1]
June 4, 2012 - 16:02 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - The United States is set to tighten sanctions against Iran if the upcoming international negotiations in Moscow fail to make progress on the Islamic Republic's nuclear program, a senior U.S. official said on Monday, June 4, RIA Novosti reported.
“If we don't get a breakthrough in Moscow there is no question we will continue to ratchet up the pressure," David Cohen, U.S. Treasury undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in an interview with The Haaretz daily.
Russia is hosting the third round of talks on Iran’s nuclear program June 18-19.
Cohen said sanctions on Iran are biting, but more will be done to pressure the Islamic Republic to abandon its nuclear program.
"The sanctions are having an impact on Iran, but I also recognize that more needs to be done. And we are intent on doing more," he said.
U.S. set to tighten Iran sanctions if Moscow nuke talks fail - PanARMENIAN.Net
Is Iran seeking nuclear weapons, RachelBibleStudent?
Provide the evidence.
Is Iran planning to attack another nation?
When was the last time they did so?
Provide the evidence.
06 January 2012 David Swanson Iran
The pretence that Iran has or will soon have nuclear weapons is just a pretence, one that has been revived, debunked, and revived again like a zombie for years and years.
The push to attack Iran has been on for so long that entire categories of arguments for it (such as that the Iranians are fueling the Iraqi resistance) have come and gone.
At DontAttackIran.org we've been collecting the arguments for and against attacking Iran for years. We've campaigned against an attack, but never been able to claim a success, because decisions not to launch wars are never announced, because those pushing for wars never give up, and because those believing what their government tells them think the Pentagon never campaigns for wars but is forced into them defensively on short notice by attacks from evildoers.
While Iran has not attacked any other country in centuries, the United States has not done so well by Iran.
If the U.S. and Israel attack/nuke Iran, do they deserve it?
Should Iran's Christians assume they are cursed and forsaken by God when we nuke them?
Pretty straight-forward.
Explain your reasoning that Middle Eastern Christians are "unrepentant" and "worldly"
I'll wait to see more of your argument that God has forsaken the Christians of the Middle East.
Perhaps a poll would help involve others in this discussion - there may be something I'm missing.
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Since we have so many western christians living by the motto "(antichristian) Israel first" then no wonder that they are quiet indifferent to the killings of middle east christians in the US-Israel allied wars.
Very interesting that they have sworn loyalty to an antichristian entity before their own would be brothers and sisters. Shows the character of deception and apostasy of the last days.
Very interesting that they have sworn loyalty to an antichristian entity before their own would be brothers and sisters. Shows the character of deception and apostasy of the last days.
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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad
What is God's Name?
Second request:
Is Yahshua God Himself?
בימיו תושע יהודה וישראל ישכן לבטח וזה שמו אשר יקראו יהוה צדקנו׃
What is God's Name?
Second request:
Is Yahshua God Himself?
בימיו תושע יהודה וישראל ישכן לבטח וזה שמו אשר יקראו יהוה צדקנו׃
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Guns and Butter
"US NATO Humanitarian Intervention In Syria: Toward A Regional War?" with Michel Chossudovsky. What the destabilization of Syria is really about; the Responsibility To Protect (R2P); the rebels, who they are, who supports and trains them and where; the Free Syrian Army; the role of the United Nations; the Islamization of the Middle East as an intelligence operation; the role of Israel; the effect of sanctions; media disinformation.
Guns and Butter - June 13, 2012 at 1:00pm | KPFA 94.1 FM Berkeley: Listener Sponsored Free Speech Radio
"US NATO Humanitarian Intervention In Syria: Toward A Regional War?" with Michel Chossudovsky. What the destabilization of Syria is really about; the Responsibility To Protect (R2P); the rebels, who they are, who supports and trains them and where; the Free Syrian Army; the role of the United Nations; the Islamization of the Middle East as an intelligence operation; the role of Israel; the effect of sanctions; media disinformation.
Guns and Butter - June 13, 2012 at 1:00pm | KPFA 94.1 FM Berkeley: Listener Sponsored Free Speech Radio