Victims of deadly 'knockout game' mounting

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J-Kay-2

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I see where you're coming from, but if you want to be very scared, read up on gangs and the military.

Once upon a time, any gang activity and you were not allowed into the armed forces. With all of our proxy wars we keep fighting (for oil, terrorism isn't the real reason), we had to expand the pool to continue to draw from willing applicants. There were increasing instances of gang tagging in the middle east - tags from US street gangs.

The gang bangers went and joined the military to learn how to be better bangers when they got back to the US. Do you ever watch any of the prison documentaries? One of the inmates on Lock down actually studies Tsun Tzu and the like because (and I'll never forget these words because they were scary to watch) they had "righteous game." He read their material for the same reason he read medical texts - to learn how to be a better killer.

Sending a person with violent tendencies into the military is like throwing gasoline on a fire. You've just taught them how to play the knock out game and win every single time. When they get back home, they will be anxious to use their new skills.

I want good men and good women in the military or I don't want them at all. I heard it said best when a friend told me why he felt that those in WWII were called the greatest generation. It was because you had an entire army of good men who were willing to sacrifice it all to protect those who were stateside. It is unfortunate that we send some of the finest our country has to offer overseas, but it is the best way to ensure that the knowledge they gain is not abused.
Wow...I do see what you are saying. Question, the 'knockout game' going on now,
is this where these 'thugs' are learning it from ? I knew they had to know the exact
spot to hit someone to see them go flat on their face after being hit.
 

Toska

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from every news story I have seen it has been a group of black thugs targeting non blacks. also most of the attacks are in liberal controlled cities and states (you know those states and cities where guns are bad, defending yourself is bad).

those thugs wanna come here and try this crap, we have no problem taking care of them. only thing a cop will be needed for is to call for the coroner
If I am not mistaken, I think that one of the offenders was shot in the buttocks. I know that is not what you have in mind but, he did get shot as he was running away.
 
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J-Kay-2

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Here is worse:

[video]http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/23/14-Year-Old-Murderer-of-Young-Teacher-Used-Tree-Branch-to-Rape-Her[/video]
Oh my Gosh. I had not heard this . I sit with tears in my eyes. Are you
familiar with the late Dave Wilkerson ? One of Davids prophecies is --
in the last days we would have teen age rebellion like we never saw
before. This is the most gruesome and sad case I have heard of for a
while. Thank you for sharing. I am familiar with bretbart. God bless ~


 

PennEd

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If this is the same incident I heard of on the radion, its not just teens searching for ''fun''. Its an attack on the jewish community.

The account I heard was jews are being targeted and when the victims have been helped they come back and put swastikas where they had been struck down.

While some on this forum I am sure are cheering these actions on, its wrong.


While I understand your frustration with some here who clearly are antisemitic/anti-israeli, it's a little harsh to say they are cheering on these attacks brother.

Black on white crime is worse than epidemic, the F.B.I. stats are astronomical. I believe the media and the democrats foment the racism blacks have against whites and then try and cover up the immensity of the crimes. This being said, we MUST remember as Christians that one of satan's most potent weapons is racial division and we MUST try to always judge the individual NOT the group.
 

Toska

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Yes, I already knew about this but, thank you for sharing it in case I did not. This case really bothered me because I could relate to the situation in certain ways. I am a high school math teacher and I often need to ask students to stay after class to discuss things with them (their work, their behavior, if they seem like they are struggling with something personally, to ask if they need extra help with their work, etc). When I see stories like this, it really makes me rethink doing that. I have started waiting until the next day at the start of class to talk with the students if I need to.
 

Toska

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While I understand your frustration with some here who clearly are antisemitic/anti-israeli, it's a little harsh to say they are cheering on these attacks brother.

Black on white crime is worse than epidemic, the F.B.I. stats are astronomical. I believe the media and the democrats foment the racism blacks have against whites and then try and cover up the immensity of the crimes. This being said, we MUST remember as Christians that one of satan's most potent weapons is racial division and we MUST try to always judge the individual NOT the group.
I completely agree with what you said about always judging the individual and not the group, well said!
 
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J-Kay-2

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Yes, I already knew about this but, thank you for sharing it in case I did not. This case really bothered me because I could relate to the situation in certain ways. I am a high school math teacher and I often need to ask students to stay after class to discuss things with them (their work, their behavior, if they seem like they are struggling with something personally, to ask if they need extra help with their work, etc). When I see stories like this, it really makes me rethink doing that. I have started waiting until the next day at the start of class to talk with the students if I need to.

Many prayers will be going up for you. You are wise to rethink how
you will deal with issues that arise. I do not envy your job at all.
Also we will pray for your husband and may the Lord keep both of
you in His tender loving care.

Psalm 27: 1 The LORD is my light and my salvation; who shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? ~

 

Toska

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Many prayers will be going up for you. You are wise to rethink how
you will deal with issues that arise. I do not envy your job at all.
Also we will pray for your husband and may the Lord keep both of
you in His tender loving care.

Psalm 27: 1 The LORD is my light and my salvation; who shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? ~

Thank you, we both appreciate the prayers. I think I said this earlier, we both put our faith in God and trust in Him and His will.
 
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J-Kay-2

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Thank you, we both appreciate the prayers. I think I said this earlier, we both put our faith in God and trust in Him and His will.

Yes, you did say that you both are trusting HIM. ~ Many blessings ~
 
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doulos

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxVAy-dM2eQ

Isn’t it funny that only after Sharpton was criticized aboutnot speaking on the subject he finally spoke against it. A little late nowisn’t it considering it has been going on for a couple years. It is about time someone started speaking out against this alarming trend of black on white (and black on black) violence that is plauging our country. This isn’t new folks, knockout punch, polar bearhunting or what ever other names it is called by is nothing more then racially motivated hate crime where a white person is randomly targeted and then suckerpunched. While in most cases the injuries are not terribly bad, sadly therehave been some deaths as a result. Where is president, O where is Sharpton,where is Jackson? Why aren’t they outraged? Could it be because to speak out against this won’t help their cause?

A few more interesting vids on the subject..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzptOuQ0M9U#t=192
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RSELf9pY9w
Sadly our liberal media has been ignoring this becausejust like some in this thread they were afraid of being called a racist. If the races of those involved were reversed and a bunch of white guys were black bear hunting (instead of black guys polarbear hunting) the public outcry would be deafening!
 

TheAristocat

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I can actually understand how this would not be a hate crime but rather an immature game played by brainless people with abusive backgrounds. Some men box and try to knock each other out for fun. Then there's the fainting game in college where you breathe in deep, hold your breath and have a friend press on your chest. People are doing this to themselves. And if they take this sort of thing this lightly then it's no wonder they're doing it to others.
 

TheAristocat

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By the way, deaths have been associated with this 'fainting game' as well.
 
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I've seen a few reports about this 'knockout game' and the clips they show are spread over 2 or three years and are totally unrelated. Some of them are even caught on CCTV and not filmed by an accomplice. And yeah while the footage is horrific, there is no link between them whatsoever and no game. Just random internet clips shown together.
 

maxwel

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I can actually understand how this would not be a hate crime but rather an immature game played by brainless people with abusive backgrounds. Some men box and try to knock each other out for fun. Then there's the fainting game in college where you breathe in deep, hold your breath and have a friend press on your chest. People are doing this to themselves. And if they take this sort of thing this lightly then it's no wonder they're doing it to others.
So far you've equated this new wave of violent crime with:
a) a very old and respected sport that was practiced in almost every country on earth, at least a century before any of the current crime trends.
b) an incredibly stupid party game played by drunken college kids, with no actual intention of harming anyone at all.

Do we really need to commit the fallacy of equivocating anything we dislike to everything else we dislike?
Really?

I'm sure I could find some connection between any 2 unconnected things.
I bet I could connect this new crime trend to something YOU like, that you think is harmless.
Maybe that's where this needs to go.

Unless you have some kind of serious data, and serious methodology, to connect totally unrelated things...
you can certainly blurt things out, but don't expect anyone to take it seriously.
 
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Drett

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So far you've equated this new wave of violent crime with:
a) a very old and respected sport that was practiced in almost every country on earth, at least a century before any of the current crime trends.
b) an incredibly stupid party game played by drunken college kids, with no actual intention of harming anyone at all.

Do we really need to commit the fallacy of equivocating anything we dislike to everything else we dislike?
Really?

I'm sure I could find some connection between any 2 unconnected things.
I bet I could connect this new crime trend to something YOU like, that you think is harmless.
Maybe that's where this needs to go.

Unless you have some kind of serious data, and serious methodology, to connect totally unrelated things...
you can certainly blurt things out, but don't expect anyone to take it seriously.
With boxing, two adults have given consent. As for the fainting game, the victim is not some guy minding his own business. I do not see them being related to this new crime fad.
 
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DragonSlayer

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Before the Lord,

there shall be no excuse whatsoever both for the individual and for the " group "
who promote and commit such unthinkable and cruel acts.

They enjoy to " knock out " helpless and innocent people ? As they sow, they shall reap !

Such heartless demons don't deserve to live and deserve the capital punishment !

The World would be a much better place without those spiritual sons of Cain !
 
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Coil

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it is so sad to me that kids and even young people today, so many of them, do not have a concept of right and wrong. so many grow up in broken homes with no behavior standards to speak of. so they do whatever they want and whatever they can get away with.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't know if people are inherently worse than they were before, but at least in my limited experience, parents seem to be quite a bit lazier when raising their children and teaching them good morals. It takes a lot of effort to teach kids lessons, and to be good examples for them. Children need good role models and tough life lessons.
 
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Coil

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SS. I disagree. For one thing the jails and prisons are overly crowded now.
I believe good men are giving up their lives fighting wars that really hasn't
been good to those whose lives are taken and limbs lost.

If these 'thugs' were made to go to Military, go through basic training right
there, is a good start in punishment. Then send them into war zone. Let them
get a taste of their own medicine. An eye for an eye ~ This is ridiculous and
we are watching guys on the news harming innocent people here in USA and
we are supposed to house them in jail and prison where they get to eat 3 meals
a day, watch TV, get free health care, etc. In the mean time we have the
men and women in Military who need relieved. At least there are still some good
men and women left in our Country.


I would hate for these violent people to wear a soldier's uniform and represent our country abroad. I don't think jails are the perfect solution, either, but there's no way I'd give them the honor of a military uniform AND send them our into the world as ambassadors, so to speak, for our country and our values. No. Absolutely not.
 

TheAristocat

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So far you've equated this new wave of violent crime with:
a) a very old and respected sport that was practiced in almost every country on earth, at least a century before any of the current crime trends.
b) an incredibly stupid party game played by drunken college kids, with no actual intention of harming anyone at all.

Do we really need to commit the fallacy of equivocating anything we dislike to everything else we dislike?
Really?

I'm sure I could find some connection between any 2 unconnected things.
I bet I could connect this new crime trend to something YOU like, that you think is harmless.
Maybe that's where this needs to go.

Unless you have some kind of serious data, and serious methodology, to connect totally unrelated things...
you can certainly blurt things out, but don't expect anyone to take it seriously.
Maxwel, you're a child of God, and I'm bound by a progressive code of honor to love you. But you can certainly make it difficult. lol I was not attempting to "blurt anything out". It's likely these people don't see the harm in what they're doing. Look at the fainting game. It's no one's intention to harm anyone, sure, but deaths still result. It's the same with boxing as well. These events are violent, but in each case those involved are willing participants. In the "knockout game" that is not the case. I believe it's clear to see that these people consider this a "game". As stated in my previous post, this is probably...

TheAristocat said:
an immature game played by brainless people with abusive backgrounds
If you've ever seen the movie Fight Club you can probably imagine where the sentiment for such a game arises.